Lord Haseo

Alderaan said:

I don’t care for the term Mary Sue because it unnecessarily inserts gender into a conversation that can apply equally to male and female characters alike. But I don’t think the criticism has to do with no explanation offered. I think it has to do with lazy writing, and having a character who can do seemingly anything and everything whenever convenience calls for it.

Once you have established such a character and such a story, simply going back into the script and inserting an explanation for all of their endless abilities – seems to not address the problem in the first place.

It’s only lazy writing if the explanations were mere after thoughts and not something integral to the character from her conception. There is no evidence to support our theories on how exactly Rey was written so for me all that matters is that her competency is explained and for the most part it is.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

lovelikewinter said:

Maybe understanding droid is something the Jedi teach, along with the other skills. Poe would have learned it growing up with a pilot mom and when he trained it would probably come up. Rey might have learned it from Unkar Plot. Luke might not have had the time to learn it in the OT.

Regardless of who exactly Rey learned it from it is stated in the Visual Dictionary that she learned the language of the Wookies and Droid Binary during her time on Jakku. So in that department Rey is in the clear as far as that Mary Sue stuff goes.

I think the criticism is that she can do everything, and knows everything, so giving an explanation for why she knows this or knows that, isn’t exactly addressing the criticism.

From my recollection a Mary Sue is a character who is good at everything with no explanation and for the most part that doesn’t fit Rey. If you want to leave the Mary Sue shit out of this and talk about competency in general you would certainly have a case that Rey is really competent but she’s not a Mary Sue. She definitely has a couple Mary Suish traits though.

lovelikewinter said:

Maybe understanding droid is something the Jedi teach, along with the other skills. Poe would have learned it growing up with a pilot mom and when he trained it would probably come up. Rey might have learned it from Unkar Plot. Luke might not have had the time to learn it in the OT.

Regardless of who exactly Rey learned it from it is stated in the Visual Dictionary that she learned the language of the Wookies and Droid Binary during her time on Jakku. So in that department Rey is in the clear as far as that Mary Sue stuff goes.

NeverarGreat said:

Rey understands Droid-speak, but I think she’s the only human who can do it 😉

I’m going to need citation on the part where you say Rey may be the only human that knows binary. If you’re right then that’s weird as shit.

Possessed said:

Lord Haseo said:

Possessed said:

I loved TFA, but RO didn’t do a whole lot for me. I enjoyed the ride, but it didn’t really resonate with me like the others. I think it’s because it’s more of a plot driven film whereas the others are character driven. I didn’t think there was anything wrong with it and it was awell made movie it’s just not my style I guess. Krennic was good though. Really it was all good, it just didn’t click or pop with me the way the originals and TFA did.

I think Rogue One may be a better movie plot wise but there’s a certain level of emotional investment that makes enjoy TFA more. There are a ton of small problems with TFA that I can just overlook because I’m invested in Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren just like with the OT.

Pretty much this. I may do a very light small trims edit of TFA After I finish my return of the Jedi edit (owhich I am actually working on I just haven’t bothered to bunk the thread because I don’t have any significant news on it because before I started actual editing I spent a long time just getting all my sources together and to match. Using telecines version of the blu ray that has redone lightsabers and blaster shots with a very subtle base color adjustment done by me, but I’m also using a few shots from the hdtv cap of the 2004 to get rid of the changed door at jabbas palace, and to get rid of the dug in jabbas palace and restore the original effect of Han thawing out. Then I also used harmys de ed to get rid of the sarlaac beak and restore Sebastian Shaw, so I had to do some adjustments to make those shots match as well. They look great on their own bit I wanted a more modern look since this is an edit so I wanted it to match the blu ray footage. Then had to sync it to the 93 mix before I started editing. Wow, sorry that was so long and off topic)

I’ve never been too too interested in ROTJ fanedits because my problems with the film are more on a fundamental level. No fanedit can fix those.

Maybe it would be if he weren’t such an obvious troll.

Possessed said:

I loved TFA, but RO didn’t do a whole lot for me. I enjoyed the ride, but it didn’t really resonate with me like the others. I think it’s because it’s more of a plot driven film whereas the others are character driven. I didn’t think there was anything wrong with it and it was awell made movie it’s just not my style I guess. Krennic was good though. Really it was all good, it just didn’t click or pop with me the way the originals and TFA did.

I think Rogue One may be a better movie plot wise but there’s a certain level of emotional investment that makes enjoy TFA more. There are a ton of small problems with TFA that I can just overlook because I’m invested in Rey, Finn and Kylo Ren just like with the OT.

Dirge said:

Lord Haseo said:

Considering the fact you like Rogue One why would you consider it to be EU? It also fits pretty well with STAR WARS and is more than suitable substitute for the PT.

Well, it’s like if I read some Star Wars EU book. Even if I enjoy it, it really doesn’t have any bearing on the story presented in the original films (it’s more like one of those “What if?” comics). Also, it probably has a lot to do with the quality of the prequels (or lack therof). In that their failure promotes my tendency to disregard anything beyond The Original Trilogy. If one was Forced (get it?) to include and consider any Star Wars film as canon just because LucasFilm says so, then their inadequacies would actually start to taint and diminish the originals. And once you start disregarding “official” releases, then it just becomes the standard operating procedure. So, even when they finally put out a good movie, I’m just pleasantly surprised and enjoy it for what it is. But we’re way past the point where I would take any newly released film and use it to reframe the context of the original movies. And since we’re going to be getting a new Star Wars film pretty much every year ad infinitum, if I just start picking and choosing the few films I consider acceptable to add to some sort of personal canon, it just seems arbitrary and unnecessary. For me, Star Wars is…STAR WARS (the original movies). They represent the fundamental, unalterable core of the series. Everything else they keep piling on top, for better or for worse, is just extraneous. Now, when they do release a quality movie (like Rogue One), then great!..I’ll watch it and enjoy it and add it to the list of Star Wars stuff I like. But I’ve transcended the need for any personal “Official” label for those items. It all basically resides in that nebulous and ever-growing cloud of EU that perpetually girdles the original “core” films.

As a former OT purist I see where you’re coming from and hey at least you may have a few more movies to watch in between viewings of the OT 😉

The possibilities…

Considering the fact you like Rogue One why would you consider it to be EU? It also fits pretty well with STAR WARS and is more than suitable substitute for the PT.

The Dark Empire said:

flametitan said:

I know he was joking, but I’d love to see telepathic-vow-of-silence Luke.

EDIT: NEW SHIPS. Look like an update Mon Calamari Design.

I do not like the ship design at all.
These little podracer like things and these, i dont know how to call it, little Nebulon Bs without the engine section don’t look like Star Wars ships.

I have a feeling that those ships belong to the natives that inhabit whatever backwater planet that is. If that’s the case of course it’s not going to look like what we’ve seen before.

Alderaan said:

There was a guy Ryan around here recently, who complained because some posters always bash the prequels or the SEs. Even though they have made their point hundreds of times that they think the prequels are bad, they continue to post about it and make offhand remarks, over and over again. Ryan felt like it was toxic, and you all told him to **** off.

Well unlike some here I don’t bash the PT at every turn and I remember at least sympathizing with his struggle even though I didn’t like the way he vocalized it. Also sending in that other PT fan (or making a sock account) for the sole purpose of arguing was fucking weak but that’s besides the point.

Alderaan said:
Hasbro

That would have really hurt my feelings if I were in the 2nd grade.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

you just rehash the same complaints with no effort of trying to say them in different ways in a pitiful attempt to ruin shit for people.

I don’t try and ruin anything for anyone. What do you think this place should be, TFN? I’m sure you would like to see the OOT restored, but you’ve said in your posts it’s not a priority for you, and your posting history has a very pro-Disney, pro-ST slant. There are going to be people who like and care about Star Wars and the OOT who feel the same as you, and there are going to be other people who like and care about the OOT who feel very different. You should be able to take the disagreement in stride, but in case you are incapable of that, then you should choose to ignore people you have such a strong, irrational hatred towards. That would go a long way to not derailing threads.

Lord Haseo said:

Well there goes my hopes that you wouldn’t be of the impscum/Alderaan/Mala variety…

At least we have people like Ray and John Doom who are able to criticize the film in a mature manner.

Also if you haven’t noticed I have been avoiding your spam as of late (same goes with the others) and have only responded really to Impscum about the OT supposedly being completely original. This has nothing to do with Star Wars; you’re just being a condescending asshole and I’m scolding you for it.

You post on here over and over again how much you LOVE STAR WARS!, you ****ING LOVE STAR WARS! Your pro-Disney, pro-ST slant, I promise you is just as aggravating to me.

Even with the positions I have repeated I haven’t repeated them nearly as much as you have. Ergo, I’m just posting regularly whereas you are trying to elicit a response from people who enjoy thing besides the OT. Personally I would prefer a well reasoned argument but your current approach had me caught in the vortex for a while.

EDIT:

Also let’s get this straight…the only Star Wars stories I love are:

• The Empire Strikes Back
• Lost Stars
• Darth Bane Trilogy
• Darth Plagueis
• Knights of The Old Republic

everything else isn’t even on the same level. Yes, that means STAR WARS and that certainly means The Force Awakens.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

No, Original Trilogy is completely original.

REHASH!!!

There are a few other films Lucas bit off of in small ways but this is the most notable of them.

Quite clearly that was just a bad prediction of OT. Just because I can predict momentous events, such as solar eclipse, it does not mean I can take credit for the event itself.

What are you?

Alderaan said:
Unfortunately, that’s not what some of you choose to do. You dislike a user’s posting history or agenda, and you hunt them down from thread to thread with insults and attacks that usually have nothing to do with the topic at all.

We only get on you because if you’re not like condescending like here:

Alderaan said:

joefavs said:

“Canon” means official canon as far as I’m concerned.

If you care about ‘canon’ of a fictional universe, you’re either a teenager, or I feel sad for you.

you just rehash the same complaints with no effort of trying to say them in different ways in a pitiful attempt to ruin shit for people. What type of life is that?

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

I don’t want anything recycled from The Empire Strikes Back

Too late: see the titles !

Episode V
Episode VIII

This V is getting old.

What do you suggest we use instead of the V? I think a random squiggle would do nicely.

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Can it also calibrated to detect excrement?

This just shows how irrational you Disney people have become. This place is turning into TFN.

I’m pretty sure this is an imitation of some of you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgLa3eKMYs

Just so you know I don’t really care about canon, official or otherwise. I’m at the point in which I don’t even try to make it all fit into a collective story. But the petty, infantile amount of ‘hatred’ you have inside yourself and the compulsion to make it known to us is ironically something of note. I can’t even feel sorry for you as I revel in the fact that you will be afflicted with whatever ails you until the day you die. To me that’s a fate far worse than death; the fact you can’t even acknowledge your faults only exacerbates the joy I get from knowing that.

Anyways, keep doing you I guess.

imperialscum said:

No, Original Trilogy is completely original.

REHASH!!!

There are a few other films Lucas bit off of in small ways but this is the most notable of them.

I remember seeing that a while back and as it doesn’t make me feel either way about the whole rehash debacle but as it pertains to The Last Jedi I don’t want anything recycled from The Empire Strikes Back save for generic plot points. Meaning I’m okay with the First Order striking back at the Resistance Base so long as the battle is fundamentally different and it has a different impact on the plot than the Battle of Hoth had on Empire’s plot. That’s why I hope one of the rumors I’ve heard about Leia is true.

Can it also calibrated to detect excrement?

TK-949 said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Exactly my reaction.

Ditto

EDIT:

Possible spoilers for The Last Jedi

yhwx said:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
   This will always be the best Star Wars movie.

I am starting to think otherwise these days. I think the universe could align twice in 37 years.

EDIT:

Also hi. It’s nice seeing your avatar again 😄

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Oh please, if we were to tally all of the broken fingers, hands and legs people should be having in films and TV Shows almost none of them would seem beleivable in that department. The fact that she got knocked out twice in the film indicates that she can be hurt.

You have to understand that he doesn’t know she was knocked unconscious twice because he’s never actually seen the film.

Right now I can’t tell and that’s bothering me even more.

Darth Id said:
Assuming that’s a hypothetical rather than a spoiler, well I guess I’d say such an outcome just makes no sense given that she defeated him with ease before even becoming a padme or whatever nonsense they intend to do in Jedi II.

She was being dominated for most of the fight but I wouldn’t call it easy even if Kylo was severely injured along with the mental stuff he was dealing with after he killed Han. I wish they had just had in neutral circumstances and have Rey be saved by Chewie or something. Oh well at least this time they can have a fight without a bunch of circumstantial bullshit getting in the way.