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Lord Haseo

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#935160
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/935160/action/topic#935160
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JediExile said:
Yeah I guess you’re right. I give up on this point, I’ll see the movie again sometime and see how it works out in my mind when I watch the scene after this conversation.

Most of the people I’ve talked to get the idea that Kylo is just some kid trying to be something he isn’t.

I gain new perspective on the film every time I see it. Hopefully watching it again either reaffirms your position on the matter or leads you to see my point of view 😃

Yeah it makes him fun to watch, if a little bit goofy at times.

I don’t know if goofy is the right word. Jar Jar is goofy.

Does Vader actually realize that Palpatine manipulated him after all those years though? I always thought that he was just building up guilt over the years and killing his son in that situation was the breaking point.

He figures it out in one of the Vader comics.

I’ll need to watch the scene again, but it hit me that he was unhinged.

That’s an understatement lol

TV’s Frink said:
THE TWO OF YOU QUOTE-WALLING BACK AND FORTH IS REALLY ANNOYING.

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#935125
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/935125/action/topic#935125
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JediExile said:
Vader did love Luke, but not nearly to the extent Han loved Kylo really. Kylo definitely feels something for Han, but I still wouldn’t compare that to the conflict between Vader and Luke.

Han loving Ben doesn’t mean shit because he wasn’t the one who was tasked killing a loved one. And I’m not saying the situations are exact but they’re similar enough to warrant saying “By the grace of your training I will not be seduced”

Leia, Snoke, and Han feel that way. Although Han did say there’s too much Vader in him, he was the one that confronted him at the end because he saw an opportunity to get his son back.

Han had to be convinced by Leia to do that. Maybe she convinced him there was a chance Kylo could be saved but initially he thought there was nothing he could do.

Most of the people I’ve talked to get the idea that Kylo is just some kid trying to be something he isn’t.

And that’s part of what makes him so compelling. This man is literally willing himself to be evil and I think like Sean Gillis (who pretty much convinced himself he was a serial killer at heart) Kylo will convince himself he is of the Dark Side to the point in which that line of thought becomes permanently ingrained in his mind

He did kill Han and that gives me hope he won’t turn, but if Anakin could slaughter most of the Jedi and take part in blowing up a planet and STILL be redeemed, Kylo can too.

Well Vader had a couple of reasons to turn. One being that Palpatine lied to him about everything and his compassion for his son. Kylo doesn’t have any reasons thus far and we don’t know what he thinks of his mother. I can’t wait to find out though

Knight of Ren is okay too I guess. I really wonder what “Ren” is.

I wish I knew too. I think the KoR have been around for at least a few decades. Hopefully we’ll learn in Episode VIII

Yes, he is pretty much a crippled (more than physically) and I think it’s a really cool part about him. Anyone can be a badass in Star Wars, even if you’re horribly burned, a little green goblin guy, a big fuzzy dope, etc.

The way you phrased it could be considered offensive but I see where you’re coming from. Ironically from the potential he lost in his defeat on Mustafar he more than made up for in terms of refinement and maturity and that lead to him surpassing his younger self.

I don’t see the issue with the “Han Solo can’t save you” line. Rey was emotionally attached to him and Kylo figured this out when he probed her mind earlier. Also the wound beating seemed more practical (at least in terms of Star Wars) than not. I always saw it as him inflicting more pain on himself to help himself draw from the dark side more. Very cool moment, I kind of wish he did that throughout the fight.

It’s the way he said “Han Solo can’t save you” , and the look in his eyes that makes me think he’s a little mentally unstable. And I agree it is a great moment; it’s those small moments which adds to overall development of the character in a significant way. And he did do it again after his first pass with Finn.

TV’s Frink said:

All this back and forth is making me nunb.

You seem annoyed at this conversation, why?

There has been a lot of PT fanboys on here as of late. We haven’t seen many real discussions around here in a while.

Post
#935078
Topic
The Prequels Would Be Not Just The Worst SW Movies Ever, But The Worst Movies Ever, If Not For This One Important Thing That Saved Them
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/935078/action/topic#935078
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imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

lol

So much poetry condensed in a single post.

Pretty sure it’s poetry of the Lucas variety 😉

Yes, OT subtype.

More along the lines of AOTC subtype. On occasion you get to ROTJ subtype. But only the ewok scenes though.

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#935033
Topic
Random Thoughts
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/935033/action/topic#935033
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RicOlie_2 said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

I wish I could save in real life, and reload a previous save whenever I wanted. That would be so useful.

Especially when you screw up with a girl/guy.

If Groundhog Day is any indication, many people would find themselves reloading previous saves a very large number of times…

Myself included. I would probably be of the Barney Stinson variety if I had such a device/power

HansiG said:
https://youtu.be/98N8yh9edRc?t=1m18s

Sounds about right…

Post
#934942
Topic
The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/934942/action/topic#934942
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JediExile said:
I interpret the scene as just assuring Snoke he won’t fail period.

Why wouldn’t he just say “By the grace of your training I will not fail”? Saying he will not be seduced changes the entire landscape of the conversation

While the Vader/Luke and Kylo/Han situations are similar, I think the Kylo and Han conflict is much more personal which is why I’m hesitant to even try to relate this scene back to the confrontation with the Emperor in RotJ. Kylo was raised by Han, Vader never even realized Luke existed until (I’m not really sure when he realized Luke was his son, I think the Emperor realized it before Vader did in ESB, but I can’t remember the scene for my life) 22 or so years after he was born. The emotional attachment, while there, isn’t as strong.

That doesn’t matter much because in some capacity Vader loved Luke to some degree and even Kylo feels something for Han seeing as how he was torn apart at the decision to kill him or not.

And I think Kylo is a very different character from Vader in the sense that EVERYBODY IN THE FILM recognizes that he’s essentially just trying to be bad

Only Leia and Snoke thinks there’s still good in him. Han said there was too much Vader in him and that they lost their son forever and Rey calls him a creature in a mask and a monster. I don’t even know why you would capitalize such a blatantly false statement

whereas Vader was undoubtedly bad (RIP Younglings)

Well while a prick Anakin was tricked into becoming a Sith Lord

I don’t think it’s hard for anyone to look at Kylo and say “Yeah, he’s gonna redeem himself probably” (I really hope he doesn’t, but it seems inevitable really)

The only reason people think that is because Star Wars is supposed to be about hope and all that other sappy shit. From a narrative stand point Kylo did something Vader could never do and that was kill a loved one…much less in the vile way Kylo murdered Han.

Also there’s this quote

This just not the Force Awakens in a young woman; this is the Dark Side of The Force awakening in the villain - JJ Abrams

They could change things so that he’s even more conflicted in the sequels but what’s presented in TFA alone leads me to believe they’re setting Kylo up to be irredeemable.

I’ll just say “Dark Jedi” or something in the future. Master of the Knights of Ren is a bit too long of a title for me.

You can also just call him a Knight of Ren. I also just call him a Dark Side Warrior so that there are no real factions tied into me calling him that.

Now I know Kylo has a hard-on for power and admires Vader for being a badass cripple

Is the “cripple” thing necessary?

but how did he make that stretch that Anakin Skywalker was truly himself when he was Darth Vader

Maybe because how he sees it Vader was born to the Dark Side and without Luke’s meddling he would have stayed there.

I get that he’s not exactly emotionally stable, but nothing in the movie (well, aside from this scene I guess) points to him being a loony. If Kylo Ren said that he’s seen the power of Vader, I’m kind of inclined to believe him. I just don’t see him being completely bonkers, just an emotionally conflicted guy.

Just seeing how says “Han Solo can’t save you” in conjunction with the look in his eyes, and then going on to beat his wounds leads me to believe this guy is a bit off his nut.

I think it would have made more sense if that happened and Finn was the one more comfortable in the seat, yeah.

That’s kind of true but technically it’s something he’s never used before. He didn’t even feel comfortable in the canon section of a TIE Fighter.