Lord Haseo

Ryan McAvoy said:
“Lots of other people being inconsiderate = license to also be inconsiderate”

Yep

I don’t think that would be a very valid defense in a court of law. Something like…

This isn’t a court of law; we’re on the internet. The fact that you’re treating this like a court of law is freaking me out.

“Oops! I wasn’t thinking. Sorry guys. Image removed”

…would have been more than adequate.

Nope

Yes, a program that aired 2 weeks ago on exclusive paid-for subscription services and has yet to be released on home video for all to purchase… is exactly the same as a film that was out half a year ago and has been on DVD and streaming for a month.

Not exactly but I kind of see what you mean.

However, when you say “last month someone became very irate” could mean you spoiled it for them JUST before the DVD came out? In which case = also a d*ck move.

Actually it was in early to mid March…in either case I don’t care. The film had been out for months and the statue of limitations regarding spoilers had been passed for most people.

And just like that I have to urge to do my taxes.

doubleKO said:

Lord Haseo said:

True Blood

First two seasons were fucking great and the third was pretty damn good but from there on the show turned to shit and never recovered. From bad pacing, side characters getting way more time than they deserved (even half of an episode was dedicated to a funeral for one of these characters) and even the main story lines being poorly written at times and having little payoff. Also in Season 5 they falsely advertised what a story line would be.

I also watched Season 8 of Dexter…This one requires no explanation but I should have stopped with either Season 4 or Season 7.

I watched both True Blood and Dexter until the end, after I had stopped enjoying both of them. Dexter started sucking as soon as Julie Benz showed up.

I wasn’t much of a Rita fan but at least she had a good send off.

Also “showed up” is a bit wrong since she was there since the first episode. I’m not entirely sure you were joking or not though.

Maybe like 7-10 years ago. The world is moving at a faster pace now.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also I nitpick a lot so the highest I’ll give a film is 9/10

Even if you think no film is perfect it is rather silly not to normalise your personal score scale to the film you think is the best, i.e. giving the film that you currently think is the best score 10 and then score the rest accordingly. What you basically end up doing is effectively using scale X/9.

Perhaps the only reason for not normalising that I can think of would be if you had a multiple personality disorder and you had to average the final score between multiple personal scores. But in that case you would have to sign your posts with “Team Lord Haseo” and possibly break the forum rules.

Seeing as how 10/10 is perfection and no film is perfect it makes perfect sense that I don’t rate anything close to a 10/10 because I rate things based on the dictionary definition of perfection. Not what I would deem as perfection.

What’s funny is that I can rate music, video games and even women close to 10/10 but not movies or books.

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

I’d also like to mention the previous existence of the Game Of Thrones books.

Not relevant in this instance. Posting that spoiler was pretty effed up Haseo.

Had I posted it the day after sure but it’s been long enough.

John Doom said:
I see what he means. It makes sense for the audiance, but otherwise there’s no in-universe explaination (which I dislike).

There wasn’t any in the PT. As in it being specifically stated that history is bound to repeat itself.

It all comes down to whether one accepts this mirroring for what it is. I don’t find his reclaiming the story a solid reason for mirroring in TFA’s plot (especially so heavily) and I strongly hope they’re really going to stop doing this for the next movies (it’s a “deal breaker” for me), but I understand his decision and who agrees with it.

I hope the other two are more original as well. TFA did what it needed to do for the most part. It got a lot of core fans back on board and it got new people interested but now it is time for more original stories to be told. JJ more or less confirms that Episodes VIII and IX will be more original.

If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.

😄 50/50 then, I guess. If like J.J. said TFA’s mirroring are scene related rather than character related (like the PT), then I guess it doesn’t need to work specifically to a certain character, so I think it makes sense.

I wouldn’t say 50/50 in Rey’s case but I could say that for Poe. The only thing the two have in common is that they both resist the torture/interrogation of our main baddie. But how they were captured, when they were captured and interrogated, what they were interrogated for and how they escaped were totally different.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Okay, I’m doing it. I’m going to hold off watching the prequels for 5 years, and then watch them again and see how I think of them.

Have fun…I feel like an asshole for even saying that.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I don’t get people who don’t give any films a 10/10 or A+ or perfect score, simply on principle that “there’s no such thing as a perfect film”

Every film no matter how well made are going to have plot holes, plot contrivances, not going to be perfectly paced, not going to have a jaw dropping score to accompany it, will not have the entire cast giving Oscar winning performances, going to have the best special effects etc.

Also I nitpick a lot so the highest I’ll give a film is 9/10

TV’s Frink said:

ITS MOSTLY JUST PICS OF IMPERIALSCUM DOING HIS TAXES

Oh God…I can just imagine it. I have never imagined such a horrid thing in my life.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:

Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?

And that’s why I said the difference lies mostly in being on the ground. Like you pointed out, there’s also the gun jamming, but otherwise you get lots of visual references and a rehashed plot point: the main characters are escaping with the Falcon while chased by two TIEs. It’s still a remake, but thankfully it’s not exactly the same scene, but if you ask me why I prefer the PT when it comes down to shared references, it’s because in the PT there’s not a single scene that has so many “references”, it always feels more fresh. Again, in comparison the astreoid chase in AOTC only shares the setting (which actually looks very different), but not only plays completely differently, its plot point is completely different too, not even similar.

I’m okay with a rehashed plot point if it’s presented in a totally different way. Also visual nods don’t really make an impression on me.

Like Lucas, if J.J. wants to make “poetry”, he also has to give us a solid and coherent reason, or it really is just ripping off.

[‘The Force Awakens’] was a bridge and a kind of reminder; the audience needed to be reminded what ‘Star Wars’ is, but it needed to be established with something familiar, with a sense of where we are going to new lands, which is very much what 8 and 9 do. The weird thing about that movie is that it had been so long since the last one. Obviously the prequels had existed in between and we wanted to, sort of, reclaim the story. So we very consciously — and I know it is derided for this — we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats so the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was ‘Star Wars.’ - JJ Abrams

So take that quote however you deem necessary.

I meant in TFA, maybe I wasn’t clear enough, sorry 😄

Rey has a kind of similar story to Luke but in terms of personality traits there’s not much they have in common say for a tad bit of arrogance that both characters exhibit.

Finn doesn’t really resemble any character in the OT

Poe’s character wasn’t developed enough but he reminds me kind of Han post SW but without the whole scoundrel angel.

Kylo Ren is a conflicted character who feels a pull to the light (which is natural unlike Vader’s conflict which was due to Luke) even though he’s trying to submerge further into darkness and is doing his damnedest to emulate a long dead Sith Lord. And unlike Vader he hasn’t completed his training and flies off the handle when things don’t go his way. Other than them wearing masks and being clad in back they don’t have much in common other than a similar backstory. Well at least until we get a prequel novel.

Han is similar to Obi-Wan as he is the person who teaches our heroes about The Force and the state of things. He becomes to Rey a potential father figure (which come to think of it there is nothing to suggest Luke never saw Obi-Wan as anything other than a mentor) and dies towards the end of the film though in a very different way than Obi-Wan did. Unless the film started with our heroes as Jedi’s we would need to have someone more experienced tell our heroes and the audience what the Force is.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean.

While you think that the reason one would mirror something else is what this conversation comes down to I think the way in which you mirror something is what is most important.

It’s a mirrored plot point, there’s no reason to deny it. If you think it isn’t, considering Anakin meeting Qui-gon on Tatooine mirrors Luke’s meeting with Ben, tell me when did Luke had to work for Watto, play in a podrace to win his freedom, promise her mother he’ll be back to free her too. Same with Anakin destroying the droid control ship: when did Luke join the attack disobeying his master? Do you remember when Luke falls in love with Leia and later brings her to Naboo to protect her and marries her? What about Luke fighting side-by-side with Ben while Vader tried to escape? :\

If anything Poe’s story is more similar to Rey’s. Poe is the one who puts the information in a droid. Poe is the one who get’s captured shortly there after. Poe is also interrogated but difference is that he gave in to Kylo’s mind probing. And Poe is the one is is broken out of captivity. Also unlike Leia Rey is actually interrogated about the mcguffin.

TV’s Frink said:
I WILL PM YOU MY BROWSING HISTORY

I don’t know if I’ll like what I see…

John Doom said:
😄 Exactly what I said: the difference lies in the fact they’re still on the planet, so you have the Falcon Rey doing maneuvers to the avade the TIE. Compared to what was done in the PT (in AOTC/TESB’s asteroid chase sequence, for example, where only the setting was shared, but what happend was different) there are so many visual references 75% of the scene plays the same as in ANH, it’s a fact.

You’re still ignoring the fact that the setting makes the actions of the people in play out very differently. If the Falcon had been doing any maneuvers and shit you’d be right. The stuff that actually happens in the scenes are far from similar. Answer these questions:

Did the Chewie almost crash the Falcon before the chase began?
Did the Falcon bob and weave among other maneuvers to escape and/or destroy the TIEs?
Did Chewie fly into any structures to avoid a TIE Fighter?
Did one of the canon/s get shot making it unable to move?
Did the last TIE Fighter get destroyed due to the pilot maneuvering The Falcon in such a position so that the canon (while stuck) can get a perfect shot?

There are much more references, watch it here. It’s a clear remake, minus the fact they’re on the planet.

A lot of these are visual nods though. Some of which would be impossible to make look distinct from SW. Again the questions I posed are the key to all of this.

The PT has a solid reason to make Anakin’s journey mirror Luke’s

Because Lucas. That’s what this is all about when we get down to it. People are fine when Lucas takes stuff from Flash Gordan, Akira Kurosawa films (both in SW and TPM), Dam Busters etc. and even when he does it to himself. It’s just written off as paying homage and in the PT’s case…poetry but when JJ does it it’s considering ripping off.

but can you tell me what character mirrors who in the OT and for what reason?

Qui-Gon is supposed to mirror Obi-Wan (at least from a plot perspective)

Padme is supposed to mirror Leia due to her being a damsel at first but who is established to be more capable and is the love interest of the PT

Anakin is supposed to mirror Luke in some respects to both character and their journey

The only reason I can conjure up is that maybe it’s supposed to mean that history repeats itself or something like that…

I disagree.

And you’re definitely entitled to do so 😄

Similitarities with who or what and why?

To Luke I guess and the reason being the whole history repeating itself thing. They seem to be mirroring Rey’s journey less than Luke’s so I hope they go in a completely different direction from here on out.

It all comes down to the reason one would mirror two characters or situations.

I disagree. In terms of the conversation I think the things that happen in the scenes matter more than the intent or even the outcome of such scenes.

EDIT:

John Doom said:
It’s not because they’re both female, it’s because Rey being captured and interrogated on the SKB heavily “mirrors” Leia’s experience in ANH. As for why it mirrors, I’d like to ask J.J. this myself 😄

So Rey was aboard a ship with the stolen SKB plans and was stunned by a Storm Trooper after putting the information in a droid and then is interrogated with a mind probe droid so that the First Order could ascertain the location of The Resistance base to only be rescued later on in the film by one of our main characters masquerading as a Storm Trooper? I guess I need to watch the film again…

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ahhh, 2016, the year when it was suddenly totally cool to post massive Game of Thrones spoilers all over the internet like you don’t give a f**k about anyone else.

And that’s exactly why I did it. Because the shit is everywhere.

FIRST TIME IVE SEEN IT

Doubt it but then again coming from you I’m not that surprised.

I think he means in general…

Also why are we comparing Leia with Rey? Rey is our main character and Luke was never captured by force (remember that the whole thing at Jabba’s Palace was all part of his plan) in the OT. If anything we should be comparing those too. And them both being female has nothing to do with anything so don’t go there.

EDIT:

The Wampa doesn’t count lol

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ahhh, 2016, the year when it was suddenly totally cool to post massive Game of Thrones spoilers all over the internet like you don’t give a f**k about anyone else.

And that’s exactly why I did it. Because the shit is everywhere.

EDIT:

I remember last month someone became very irate at me because I said Han Solo died in TFA. It’s your fault if you didn’t watch it in a timely manner.

John Doom said:
Besides the fact it plays on the planet, it has so many references you could say it’s almost a 1:1 shot-by-shot remake of the Falcon’s escape from the DS (I think someone also posted a gif depicting this).

No you can’t. You can’t tell me that Han and Luke shooting at TIE Fighters while the Falcon was pretty much flying without movement is the same as the chase scene in TFA where Rey is doing maneuvers to evade the TIEs even to the point of setting up that circus shot at the end. Also having it be in a desert and inside of a Star Destroyer adds a completely different dynamic to the chase whereas in SW where it’s just in space.

Also the gif is just the movement of Han and Finn in the seat. Which is really the only thing you can accurately compare.

Right, but for Luke and Anakin journeys to mirror the way I said, it necessarily had to.

There’s other ways he could have lost his hand. But then again why is mirroring right in the PT but is bad in the ST?

TFA had no reason to make Rey’s journey to Luke’s, though, so it’s fine.

Neither did Anakin’s. They could have made it so there were similarities here and there but just like TFA they went overboard with it. In this regard even moreso. But Rey’s journey isn’t over yet so other similarities may arise.

Except for the “NOOO” 😄 visual reference, it didn’t affect the plot the same way, so I’m not sure it’s actually rehashed: Luke is still an apprentice and now without a master, Obi-wan is already a Jedi Knight and has no need for more training (actually, he is the one who has to train now).

Well I’m talking about the scene itself not how it effects the rest of the trilogy. If we’re comparing movie to movie it’s definitely an overt mirroring. Certainly more overt than Han’s death.

John Doom said:

Chase in an asteroid field?

The one in AOTC? Besides the fact they’re in an asteroid field, the scene plays completely different than in TESB.

Queen/Princess is held captive.

Yeah maybe. Luckily it plays completely differently from ANH/TFA.

Funny thing is when I tell someone that Rey and Finn stealing the Millennium Falcon and flying through the desert and even inside a crashed Star Destroyer is different from how the escape from Tatooine played out in STAR WARS they don’t want to hear that shit.

We can apply your post to a great many things in TFA.

Hand cut off by lightsaber and replaced with robotic hand?

Climax is a space battle in which both Luke and Anakin blow up a spherical thingy to save the day

Reference to Luke’s journey, the reason the PT itself exists: to show us how Anakin and Luke were alike, yet different. We already knew he had a robotic hand since ROTJ (which was shown exactly for the same reason), so he kind of had to tell us how it did happen 😄

That’s true but it didn’t necessarily have to happen by the hands of a Sith Lord in the second movie to which our hero defeats him in the third one in front of Palpatine.

Palpatines apprentice offering the hero to unite against Palps?

A Jedi finds a Force Sensitive on a desert planet and takes him off world to train in the ways of the Force

Other references to Luke’s journey.

It’s still less original than what happens in TFA regarding Rey being noticed as a Force Sensitive.

This Jedi is then killed later in the film by a Sith Lord in front of our hero/s

Award ceremony at the end (not really a plot point but an overt parallel nonetheless)

No, a character death is an actual plot point. The way in which he dies would be a visual reference. Also I even said the Award Ceremony wasn’t a plot point so it’s a bit redundant to point that out.

True Blood

First two seasons were fucking great and the third was pretty damn good but from there on the show turned to shit and never recovered. From bad pacing, side characters getting way more time than they deserved (even half of an episode was dedicated to a funeral for one of these characters) and even the main story lines being poorly written at times and having little payoff. Also in Season 5 they falsely advertised what a story line would be.

I also watched Season 8 of Dexter…This one requires no explanation but I should have stopped with either Season 4 or Season 7.

M.A.A.D. City - Kendrick Lamar (Feat. MC eiht)

Tyrphanax said:

Yeah, I was reticent because I’m kinda past the point where I can get down with super-screamy/growly metal, but Ghost was really nice. A little more Opeth (especially their Heritage album). You should check it out.

I have been told to stray away from Opeth’s later albums. Ghost Reveries is the farthest I’ll go with them. I’ll still check Ghost out anyway.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.

AOTC also had quite of a bit of ESB in it.

I don’t remember rehashed plot points bisides the rebels/people of Naboo attacking the Death Star/droid control ship. There are also a few OT shots redone (like redlettermedia pointed out), but they’re minor references, never “in the face” stuff.

• Queen/Princess is held captive.
• A Jedi finds a Force Sensitive on a desert planet and takes him off world to train in the ways of the Force
• This Jedi is then killed later in the film by a Sith Lord in front of our hero/s
• Climax is a space battle in which both Luke and Anakin blow up a spherical thingy to save the day
• Award ceremony at the end (not really a plot point but an overt parallel nonetheless)

imperialscum said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

-The music
-Most sound design and effects
-The world building

These I can agree with. I must say I liked the shooting locations and CGI created world.

The only planet I found interesting was Kamino but the subpar CGI took me out of it at times.

DominicCobb said:

Georgie is no stranger to retreads. It’s hilarious how some people are now retroactively considering the other Star Wars movies “original,” prequels especially.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a Lucas made Episode VII was just as much a SW “rip-off” as TFA. TPM already kind of was.

AOTC also had quite of a bit of ESB in it.