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#422033
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available] (Released)
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hairy_hen said:

the others are transitional elements from Dagobah to the Imperial fleet, the first after the cave scene and the second after the X-wing is raised from the swamp.  Both are unique statements of the Imperial march, rather than crudely splicing in bits of the concert version.  There are a couple other small musical editing differences also, but I'm not changing them since they aren't nearly as noticeable as these.

Oh yeah, now that you mention I do remember them.

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#422019
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available] (Released)
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What are those bad edits you've fixed? I'm no expert so I haven't heard any problems. The only one I know which the SE actually made better was the restored score when Slave I leaves Cloud City.

And I agree, I think the Obi-Wan/Luke scene feels that it's definately missing something when you watch it... I wouldn't change anything, though, since I don't like changes and am more like a preservation liking guy but I'm just saying. Although I don't remember the score for it right now, I'll have to listen the soundtrack at some point.

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#420598
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Star Wars OT & 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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I've been watching this project with great interest and this really is an important one. Maybe this is the final project that ever needs to be done on DVD. So kudos to all of you.

Just wondering, what are the music edited TESB and ROTJ mixes by hairy hen? Additional music to the movies or just some remixing? I hope there would be some kind of "original" 5.1 mix in them, too, if they aren't.

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#417223
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Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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msycamore said:

Lord__Vader said:

The dubbing is pretty funny. When Luke ask 3PO to tell him about the rebelion, 3PO says something like: "I'm not very good at telling stories, I don't know how to put them, I'm not Spielberg."

Are you serious! If you are, that is priceless! :)

LOL!

 

I also have the SEs recorded on VHS, I haven't watched them in a long time, though. Too bad we didn't have a hard drive digibox at that time, the subtitles weren't burnt in and they were anamorphic of course so they might have been helpful. But I did record them on VHS through digibox so they're better than analog... It was five years ago and now the rights have changed to a different channel and they are the crappy editions, too bad.

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#417075
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Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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msycamore said:

Would you mind posting a little bigger picture of the binary sunset, if it's possible and the close up of the two suns if it isn't too much trouble? that's also a shot that's been very inconsistent in color between various video releases.

Sorry, can't do it. It's just a catalog where you could order image #X and then LFL would send the images. They are only thumbnails. I'd love to get a hold on the real image files!

And like I said, maybe 75% of them have really off colors. Almost all Tatooine shots except a few.

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#417059
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Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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msycamore said:

It is still interesting that it doesn't match the appearance in the '97 homevideo releases at all.

I don't know why they are what they are but the shots are even inconsistent with each other. But for example all Mos Eisley shots are just greyish blur but the Yavin battle looks pretty decent. Here's a few I just put together so you can see it...

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#417052
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Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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msycamore said:

Oh... so that is what it was! Now when you say it, I think it resembles the footage in the doc: Magic & the mystery pretty much although that is more saturated. How did you find out?

It's in the SE section of the LFL photo catalog which has all SW pics for promotion.

And usually if there is a straight screenshot in a commercial release, it's not from the original films. I don't remember seeing any screenshots that promote something or are found in books etc., they're all promotional images taken with a camera. There are over 200 screenshot images for promotion from every SE film and now you also have the 2004 in HD where you can get any shot you want so I don't think you are going to find an original screenshot from an official release.

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#417047
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Star Wars Colortiming & Cinematography (was What changes was done to STAR WARS in '93?)
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EvilSupes said:

msycamore said:

Knightmessenger said:

Yeah, the book you're referring to. Isn't that the picture that's missing one of the sun's. It otherwise looks just like the Special Collection screenshot.

It has been discussed that the scene is definitely darker in those areas you mentioned than on pre THX releases. But it was supposed to be shot day for night. I have a good screenshot comparison on another computer but ever since the new software, I haven't been able to properly embed any screenshots into the forum.  

A very late reply, I must have missed your post and completely forgot about this ;) Anyway, this was the picture I was talking about:

And you're right, now when I've seen the Japanese Special Collection transfer recently it is more close to it in color than the "GOUT." But I don't know if this picture is any true representation of it's original cinematography and colortiming, I just got very nostalgic when I saw this photo and thought to myself, this is how it's supposed to look. But I guess we'll never know... 

also the Canyon scene with Artoo being captured is very bright compared to the "GOUT" release.       

Wow, that image there is exactly how I remember Star Wars when I used to watch my pre-1997 VHS tapes. Everything after hasn't looked the same since. The GOUT as you say is much darker and it doesn't look right to me at all.

Wish I still had pre-1997 source like the Japanese transfer. I would do anything to be able to experience that particular 'look' that I remember.

Aww, I feel depressed now. lol.

 

 

Sorry about the late reply also, but that picture right there is a screencap from the 97 SEs for promotion.

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#416120
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HI-Res Poster Art
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msycamore said:

satanika said:

These things don't just fall out of the sky unfortunately..

Well, this time they'll do. ;) I have a nice little collection of hi-res posters of Star Wars, Empire and Raiders that's the best I've seen so far. My plan was to make them available to everyone as a sort of give back to this forum for everything I've gotten here as soon as some of them got colorcorrected, but maybe some of you can help me out with that. Especially the classic Tom Jung style A poster that I cannot manage to colorcorrect even though I have it hanging on my wall as a reference (I'm really bad at this;) So feel free to pm me if your photoshop skills are any good.

 

Nice! I have collected these, too, and I have over 100 different ones to this date. I'd still need the rarer stuff in higher res, though.

That Style A is kinda difficult. I've even seen it officially at least in 3 different colorthemes so I'm not even sure how it should look. I've seen it bluish, grayish and brownish?

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#412875
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Star Wars Trilogy 1997 Special Edition DVDs?
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Here's a press release for the DVDs about the restoration, I don't know if you've read already or not. Of course it includes McCallum's opinions how this thing is the greatest ever. Let me know if this breaks the thread since I copied it from a document.

 

“You Can Repair Him, Can’t You?”

A meticulous, frame-by-frame digital restoration,
unprecedented in scope, makes the STAR WARS TRILOGY
look even better than on opening day

When technicians at Lowry Digital Images first viewed the negative of STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE, they expected to see a lot of sand – after all, much of the movie takes place in the deserts of Tatooine. They got it, all right, but not the kind they anticipated.


“There were sandstorms of dirt on the film,” says John Lowry, CEO and founder of the Burbank, Calif.-based company. “In the desert scenes alone, we probably removed more than a million pieces of dirt. That means each frame literally had hundreds of pieces of dirt.”

In many ways, the films of the STAR WARS TRILOGY were victims of their own success. “Generally, the more successful a film, the worse condition it’s in. When a movie starts out, there are some expectations for what’s going to happen with it, how many times prints will need to be made and so forth, then the studio makes a certain number of protection masters for printing. But if they go through them all, they have to go back to the negatives again because the protection masters are just plain worn out. Of course, every time you go back to the originals, you’re beating them up again. So, the big movies, the really successful ones, are usually pretty rough.”


Since Star Wars was, for many years, the highest-grossing movie of all time, it stands to reason that even its original film elements would have experienced some significant wear. Although some of those issues were addressed with the 1997 re-issue of the films, which was accompanied by a restoration, Lowry says his company was unprepared for the state in which they actually found the films.


Armed with a bank of 600 Power Mac G5 computers – each of which holds four gigabytes of RAM – Lowry’s staff of more than four dozen people waged war against the damage that nearly 30 years of handling and storage had done to the original negatives of the three films in the STAR WARS TRILOGY.


“The dirt was the biggest single challenge. It was just incredible,” he says. “We use automated systems here, which can remove hundreds of pieces of dirt in a scene, but in this case the automated systems just couldn’t cope.” Last year, Lowry Digital Images performed a digital restoration of the three Indiana Jones films, each of which had about 100,000 pieces of dirt. “In the STAR WARS films, we removed up to 1 million pieces of dirt in a scene.”
Prior to being sent to Lowry’s company, the original negatives of the three STAR WARS TRILOGY films were transferred to high-definition video (in a 10-bit 4:4:4 RGB format) through the telecine process, then sent to Industrial Light & Magic, Lucasfilm’s visual effects company. At ILM, technicians worked with George Lucas to digitally “color time” the movies.
“When you’re shooting a movie, things are shot at different times, on different days, under different lighting conditions,” explains Mike Blanchard, Lucasfilm Ltd. Post-Production Supervisor. “Then the film gets sent to a lab to be developed, and the chemical bath is always slightly different. That results in inconsistencies in the film, and color timing is the process by which you smooth everything out.”


Prior to the advent of digital technology, color timing was a hit-or-miss proposition done in a laboratory setting. “It was really hard to get right,” Blanchard says. “But in the digital environment, there’s a lot more control. You have the ability to fine-tune things exactly the way you want them to be and bring out subtleties in the film you couldn’t get by the traditional method of color timing. On the STAR WARS TRILOGY, we were able to retime the movie to make it look the way George originally wanted it to be.”


    The color-timing process was completed with a high-definition video version of the original negative – replete with visible signs of wear. “It was in horrible shape,” concurs Blanchard. After ILM finished its process, the newly color-timed versions of the films were sent to Lowry Digital Images.
Simply put, Lowry says, the Trilogy was the most difficult project his company has ever had. “We’ve cleaned up more dirt on these three movies than we have on any movie we’ve ever worked on, including Citizen Kane – and that was almost impossible,” he says, trying to give some idea of the challenges his technicians faced. “The end result? These films are absolutely stunning.”


    One unique hurdle that Lowry Digital faced came from the now-outmoded techniques used to create the groundbreaking visual effects for each of the three films. Images of flying spaceships, hurtling asteroids and exploding planets were often achieved by optical printing, which required running the same piece of film through a printer for each effects element, resulting in a lot of physical handling. Although the film was treated with utmost care during production, that handling invariably took its toll.


    “Optical effects reduce the quality considerably by adding at least two more film generations to the process,” Lowry explains. “In doing that, contrast comes up, the grain increases and the images are softer. The challenge is to match the opticals – which are softer, grainier, dirtier and with more flicker – with shots that are immediately adjacent to them. A distinct change of picture quality takes the viewer away from the story, and that’s obviously not the intent of the director.”


    On the other hand, some scenes actually required Lowry Digital to add grain, especially in shots added for the 1997 re-release. “There were new effects, and you’ve got to be sure they match. We were always fighting to get a consistency, to get rid of artifacts in the film that cause serious distractions.”


    Although he has restored 90 films and his work is seen by millions of people, Lowry says it’s neither audience nor critical response that pushes his company to improve the restoration process. “The biggest thrill is when we’re happy with the results. I have a team of people who live and breathe quality and dedicate themselves to creating pristine motion images. They work like crazy to satisfy what they believe in.”


    After Lowry’s restoration ended, the work of getting the newly restored images onto the DVD began. THX – the leading provider of products, services and technologies for presentation excellence, and a company that Lucas founded – was on hand to supervise the exacting process.


    “We were the eyes and ears down here on site during the transfer process,” explains Rick Dean, director of technical business development for THX. “We took the finished master and prepared it for DVD compression, which is the point at which things can often fall apart when making a DVD.”


    The job of THX was to ensure that the now-pristine images created during restoration would lose none of their artistic integrity when appearing on a DVD. “We get a sense of what George wants to portray when telling the story, and we make sure that appears on the DVD in the best possible way. While the process we go through is focused on efficiency, it is designed with the artist’s vision in mind,” Dean explained. “We want to keep the detail in the picture, but minimize the digital artifacts that could appear on a DVD. In the case of the STAR WARS films, the restored masters were created using the original film elements, so we have been able to create a DVD presentation that’s better than the initial theatrical releases.”


    For the STAR WARS TRILOGY, all of the restoration teams knew they had to apply even higher standards than usual. As Lowry says, “These are really, really important films that have to be spectacular.”
Rick McCallum, producer of Star Wars: Episode I and Episode II, as well as the STAR WARS TRILOGY Special Edition, said Lowry Digital’s restoration and the work of ILM and THX surpassed expectations.


“This is probably one of the most extensive restoration projects in movie history, but we needed to spend the time and effort to deliver a phenomenal final product,” McCallum said. “When people see the DVD, I think they are going to be amazed at the quality. But more importantly, these movies have been rescued and restored and will look their best forever.”

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#412365
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Do you Fast Forward?
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CO said:

I have always made it a rule for me if I am going to sit down and watch a DVD, I will never fast forward through any scene. 

Same here, I don't even understand why someone would want to watch a movie and then skip parts in it. I never fast forward anything, except if I watch TV series and there's a flashback episode.

And I also always watch end credits, except in theaters (in that case, except if there isn't any clips after the credits that I know of). Well, not always watch but listen to the score.

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#411918
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Girls/wives who like Star Wars
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EyeShotFirst said:

LexX said:

I dated a girl who hadn't seen any SW movies and didn't know anything about them except their existence. We watched a few movies and I knew I had to show them to her some day. I was just gonna show her the OT and said that the PT sucks ass and even I don't like them and I'm a fan.

So we started with SW and she wasn't very impressed with it, just that it was okay. Maybe she was being nice to me, I don't know. Then we watched Empire and she thought it was better than the first one and enjoyed it. But before we got to Jedi we broke up... :/ Maybe next time.

Imagine if you would have started with TPM. You might have gotten slapped.

LOL, yeah. But even I will never watch those awful movies again. :)

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#411913
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Girls/wives who like Star Wars
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I dated a girl who hadn't seen any SW movies and didn't know anything about them except their existence. We watched a few movies and I knew I had to show them to her some day. I was just gonna show her the OT and said that the PT sucks ass and even I don't like them and I'm a fan.

So we started with SW and she wasn't very impressed with it, just that it was okay. Maybe she was being nice to me, I don't know. Then we watched Empire and she thought it was better than the first one and enjoyed it. But before we got to Jedi we broke up... :/ Maybe next time.

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#410641
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When did you realize the Prequels sucked?
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doubleofive said:

 

zombie84 said:


Similar experience for me. I liked TPM at the time, thought AOTC was even better, and re-watched them quite a bit. I knew they weren't as good as the OT but it was exciting to have new SW films. I lost interest in them a bit by the time ROTS came out, but I loved ROTS and still consider it a pretty good movie. Looking back at the completed picture, however, and with the excitement off, more and more the films didn't hold up. AOTC especially fell apart. TPM I still enjoy as a children's fantasy film--which is the reason I think I liked it in the first place--but failed to hold up as a Star Wars film. I think it took the full trilogy to be seen before the massive failures of the first two films became totally apparent because I just kept telling myself ROTS would make them work somehow. As good as that film was, it made the previous ones seem worse, and it made it apparent that they weren't really necessary for understanding anything in it as well.

Same here, almost exactly

 

And here. Except I'm going to forget that nothing happened and never gonna see them again.

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#410571
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Timing Quiz: How well do you know Return of the Jedi?
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Okay, then... I'll try.

0:00:00        Opening Logos
0:05:30        Luke's message to Jabba
0:08             Lapti-Nek
0:12             Chewie in dungeon
0:13             Unfreezing Han
0:16             Luke arrives at Jabba's
0:21             Sarlacc Fight Starts
0:26             Jabba Dies
0:29             Leave Tatooine
0:30:30        Emperor on DSII
0:37             Yoda dies
0:40             Rebellion Meet-up
0:47             Land On Endor
0:50             Speeder Bike Chase
0:56             Leia meets Wicket
1:00             Han and Luke in Ewok Net
1:02             C-3PO is a shiny god
1:12             C-3PO retells Saga
1:19             Vader and Luke meet
1:23             Attack on DSII
1:49             Luke defeats Vader
1:52             Vader defeats Palpatine
1:59             DSII is destroyed
2:06:38          Credits

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#407723
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HI-Res Poster Art
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EyeShotFirst said:

LexX said:

Does anyone have 70s and 80s SW poster art without any texts or logos? Would be very helpful!

Satanika posted a big zip file with many of them. They have proven to be very helpful to me.

Satanika said:

Well, there are many different posters and logos, is there something specific you're looking for?

I've updated my poster scan/photo collection, feel free to look there, also put up a few eps logos.

My SW posters (83mb)

SW .eps logos (2mb)

Supplement with ocp's posterbook scans.

I think I already have those but there isn't much without texts, cropped out maybe.