xhonzi said:
LexX said:
I have to disagree a little.
Well, then. I'll have to disagree A LOT! :)
POTC 2 was way worse than 3. It was just boring right from the start. The worst of all POTC films. Third one may have made less sense but at least there was something new and it didn't revolve around Depp that much since his character has always worked better in the backround in POTC films.
Wrong! Actually, it sounds like it comes down to taste. In this instance, and the several following... I'm on the verge of rewatching the PotC trilogy, but right now I think I think PotC2 is right up there with the 1st. Moody, focused (complex, but consistent), expectation upsetting, funny, adventuresome, charming, etc. The third one, in my opinion and I would guess also in common opinion, was an unfocused mess that just didn't work or make sense. It also brought in too many new elements that were poorly handled. Calypso? Insanse Jack? Davy Jones can be on land as long as his feet are wet? A wedding in the midst of a ship battle circling the drain? Really?
I also like BTTF III, because it's all fun and cool like a modern western. In my opinion it's better than II although I like them all because of different reasons. All of them have things I don't like, too. Hard to put them in any order, to me it's like a one big movie.
It's possible I haven't seen BTTF III since theatres. I just remember being very disappointed by it. Instead of having the thought provoking elements from the first two- about time travel, yes, but more importantly about how our parents and our kids would be at our same age... Instead of exploring the complexities of time travel... it was more, I think, an excuse to let the primary cast do a western. Which was what MJF had been wanting to do.
However, their scores on imdb are close (2=7.5 3=7.1) so maybe it was just me.
Matrix Reloaded is one of the worst films I've seen. Third one may not make any more sense but still, at least you can watch it through somehow.
Now these I have just recently watched. I've always been a fan of all 3. I know there are a lot of bad bits in them, and I know I've given those bad bits a pass whereas I wasn't willing to overlook the bad bits in the prequels... But watching them recently was like watching them with fresh eyes. And the one thought I had after watching Reloaded was: Why doesn't everybody love this movie?!?!? Yes, the rave/sex scene is long and dumb. I skipped that part, actually. But everything else? A very good movie in my opinion. Revolutions- I still like it, but I think it needs a lot more good will to give it a pass. The new Oracle is a fundamental problem, the action scene in the club is a little tired, the freaks in the club are disturbing, the "bring me the eyes of the Oracle" part is brought up and then completely dimissed, the Train section is weird, the "Love is a Word, Neil" part is pretentious, etc. The tunnel scenes, battle scenes in Zion are really good, except for the kid=I believe, Neo! parts. Neo and Trinity go to 01 is decent. The Neo vs Smith battle seems to be a little off in places, but has some good stuff to it. The rainbow finale is bizarre. As I said, I still like the movie... it's just incredibly uneven to me.
(IMDB: 2=7.1 3=6.5)
I've always kinda liked Batman Forever, maybe it's just nostalgic for me. Of course it's more a kiddie film but still. I don't like Batman Returns that much so Forever is more fun to watch. The first one is the best of these 4.
Edit: forgot Indy. I'm one of those people who don't like TOD at all so TLC is better.
A lot of this just comes down to personal preference. Therefore I wouldn't have listed the examples if I thought I could have asked the question without offering them.
But do you agree generally? Is there something about Part 3's that's often more broken that Part 2?
Maybe I should have asked it this way:
What trilogies (quadrilogies) have satisfactory endings?
POTC 2 is almost an hour too long. The whole island thing doesn't relate to anything and it's very boring and takes a huge amount of time. I don't know what they we're thinking. I've seen it a couple of times and decided not to watch it that often anymore. I agree on all your points on POTC 3 but still it's watchable to me.
Almost the same goes for Matrix films. Reloaded is way too long, it drags so much. All the nonsense about speaking a whole lot and saying nothing. And that comic pilot is just awful. Revolutions is bad too, but it has more happening so you don't get as bored. Neither of them are good movies IMHO, only like the first one a little.
Not sure if I agree even on general level. I think sequels are usually worse than the first one, hard to think a third part that's better than the first. Indy maybe, in my opinion, never liked Raiders that much, either. How about this: is there a fourth movie that's any good? Now that I agree on.