LexX

I agree with msycamore.

CatBus said:

LexX said:

Could you rip the subtitles off from a PAL release and then use them in the package?  Some aren't that good but it's better than nothing.

Actually that's more-or-less how I've got the non-English subtitles I have right now.  Just for my own sanity, I limited the number of languages I was willing to work with, but there are lots of other languages that can be converted this same way.

Well, I think there are only Nordic subtitles on the original version DVDs so it wouldn't be that much more. Just saying if people start to use your package it would be cool to have all that are available.

LOL! I haven't even seen Great Heep yet so looking forward to this.

I know that pretty much nothing has a global significance but even in western culture SW doesn't have that big effect on every country. It may have a big impact on the English speaking countries but otherwise it's mostly just a great movie.

I think people in the US and UK (the places where the movies were made) seem to think that they have more global significance than what it really is. For example here, I'd say most people would know Vader, of course, but the rest of the characters are not that mainstream than what you would think. Fpr example, if I said that some guy looks like Jabba to my friends, even if they would know who Jabba is, they would look me like if I was a geek or something. There are fans, yes, but outside the fans not that many really care. Especially younger people.

And the comment about Star Trek isn't that true, either. I bet that maybe less than 1 percent of people here would know some ST reference, and I'm also most certain that SW is way bigger than ST. They haven't even show the old ST films here on TV in the 2000s at all, I think.

There is a difference between Times Roman and Times New Roman and I believe the ROTJ logo used the first one, at least as a basis.

I'd be interested to see how the film compares to the DVD edition. If anyone could do a couple of screenshots it would be interesting to see if there is more information on the film than on the DVD/BD. My DVD drive has been broken for a couple of years now, so I can't read any DVDs to get any samples which sucks.

Could you rip the subtitles off from a PAL release and then use them in the package?  Some aren't that good but it's better than nothing.

msycamore said:

LexX said:

They fixed a hole in the floor and the colortiming was considered pretty bad as in not original. Haven't seen the film so I don't know that much about it. :P Unnecessary fixes just get on my nerve, LOL.

Yeah, I agree but you're confusing it with Cameron's Aliens. It was the sequel that was tweaked here and there when it was time for the blu-ray release.

Oh, whoops! Got them mixed up, sorry.

none said:

^ Really, I find the topic title wrong.  I think people know things about SW but most haven't seen it.  and now there's a common thread for people to express this notion.

I agree. Most girls especially usually haven't seen them, that I know.

msycamore said:

LexX said:

But still, the video has been touched for some reason, even though Ridley Scott is usually a good preservationist.

What do you mean by touched? Are you talking about the "Director's Cut" or the new timing on the blu-ray that caused some controversy? Either way, when it comes to Ridley's films, there's always a choice and they are treated like films and not like some computer software.

EDIT: Started a thread about the Alien audio: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Dolby-Digital-41-Surround-Alien-Anthology/post/568250/#TopicPost568250 so that we don't derail this thread any further.

They fixed a hole in the floor and the colortiming was considered pretty bad as in not original. Haven't seen the film so I don't know that much about it. :P Unnecessary fixes just get on my nerve, LOL.

Great..! Finally Droids get some love, too.

msycamore said:

Compared to certain other films, Alien is/have been treated with respect: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2752/dsc03252v.jpg

Described on the jacket:

"The six-track magnetic sound masters used in the original 70mm theatrical prints were utilized to create the sound tracks for this widescreen laser disc release of Alien. Supervised by Lucasfilm's THX Laser Disc program, and encoded with Dolby Surround AC-3 Digital Sound, Ridley Scott's legendary science fiction masterpiece is now presented as close to the original theatrical experience as possible."

But still, the video has been touched for some reason, even though Ridley Scott is usually a good preservationist.

The visuals have too much going on all the time that you get numb from it and then it isn't special anymore, just boring. That's my take. Less is more.

A true artist, beautiful work. RIP. :(

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

STENDEC said:

Also, reading the response from Lucasfilm that the LoC could ONLY show the Special Edition, even for just a private screening, is absolutely disgusting. If it were up to me, I would've just exercised the right to show it anyway. If Lucasfilm don't want to oblige the LoC in any way, why should the LoC oblige Lucasfilm?

Presumably because LucasFilm has far deeper pockets to survive a lengthy legal battle, than does the National Film Register.

Indeed, but that would put LFL into a pretty bad light PR-wise, to sue National Film Register.

SilverWook said:

Probably the only clip that wasn't on some old analog tape the Oscar people had access to. It would be like dropping VHS footage into all the HD stuff, if they were aware of the SE changes at all.

I know, but they could have chosen some other scene than the CGI X-Wing and TIE fighter battle, maybe a dialogue clip or something. It was like "here's some great scenes from old classics" and bam, CGI in 70's film.

Anchorhead said:

negative1 said:

 how do you know if something is good.

if you never watch them in their entirety(sequels)? paradox?

Having seen about 30 minutes total of Back To The Future II and finding it terrible, I decided to err on the side of caution and not bother watching either sequel.

In my opinion, BTTF II is the least favorite of mine from the trilogy. Part III is just fun to watch. BTTF trilogy has always been a little weird to me, I don't like even the first one that much but the sequels make it feel better.

Anyways, waaay off topic. I'd just recommend to watch the whole trilogy even once. :)

Very good article and interesting read. At least they are being preserved in some way which makes you feel better but at the same time, sad. I also liked that they'd rather show BTTF than any SW film in Special Edition, haha.

On a related subject, they showed a clip of SW in the Oscars when they showed great movie history moments and of course, it had to feature DS battle and CGI shots... sigh. At least they could have shows something that wasn't changed.

Darth Lars said:

All foreign movies in Sweden are subtitled, except childrens movies that get dubbed in Swedish ... TPM-3D is the first Star Wars movie ever to get dubbed in Swedish! This means that for the first time, the theatre company viewed the movie as a movie for children. The dub was made last year, with different actors than the animated Clone Wars. A subtitled version with the original language was also shown.

Wow! Finland and Sweden usually do things the same way so this is weird. Are they going to to dub the rest of the films, too? I wouldn't think so, so it would be strange to dub only the first one but who knows.

How's the movie doing in Sweden?

There is a lot of inconsistensy in the same print, unless they've gone through different changes. Some are too pink, some too dark, some too teal, some pretty good. Weird.

zombie84 said:

LexX said:

In Finland TPM 3D has pretty much flopped. In 1999 it was the most watched movie with 439 496 viewers. Now in two weeks it has been seen by 6 936 viewers. In its first week it finished at 7th place and on second week it isn't even in the top 10. For example the latest Mission: Impossible movie had 13 928 viewers last week (from the total of 106 601, it was released 3 weeks ago) to give you some perspective.

Edit: maybe a better example would be Lion King 3D which has now been seen by over 15 000 people here. I guess 3D releases of old movies aren't that popular here, but to be fair, both were just released on BD just last year.

I assume in Finland it is subtitled? Or is it dubbed? I ask because I'm curious what sort of pricetag the film would even come with there. At about 7000 viewers with an average ticket price of $10USD or so, I don't think that would even cover the cost of the prints, let alone all the extra work done for foreign releases. Although to be fair, the film seems to be doing exceptionally poorly in Finland compared to many other European countries.

The films are subtitled. 3D prices are from 8 euros to 13 euros depending on the time, day and place. That's pretty much what I was thinnking about, too, does the revenue even cover the prints. But hey, I'm happy! Would be great if they decided not to even show the rest of the PT.

One thing also comes to mind, that they changed the age limits here this year. For some reason all the SW movies are now rated for 12-year-olds and older, I don't get that. You can still go to see them 3 years younger with your parents, but still. That's pretty much eliminating the whole crowd who would want to see TPM, LOL.

Edit: it seems that TPM was originally rated for 12 and older in 1999 so I guess they changed it back to that. They change these rating systems every ten years or so, hard to keep up with all of them. Before this year it was for 11 and older but anyways!

How about compared to the DVD/BD editions? They are less cropped than the GOUT.

xhonzi said:

LexX said:

In Finland TPM 3D has pretty much flopped. In 1999 it was the most watched movie with 439 496 viewers. Now in two weeks it has been seen by 6 936 viewers. In its first week it finished at 7th place and on second week it isn't even in the top 10. For example the latest Mission: Impossible movie had 13 928 viewers last week (from the total of 106 601, it was released 3 weeks ago) to give you some perspective.

Edit: maybe a better example would be Lion King 3D which has now been seen by over 15 000 people here. I guess 3D releases of old movies aren't that popular here, but to be fair, both were just released on BD just last year.

Lion King and Beauty and the Beast were both released on 3DBD either just after or a couple months before the theatrical release as well.

Actually Lion King 3D will be released here in April on 3DBD and Beuaty and the Beast 3D wasn't shown theatrically here, but it was released on 3DBD in December.

SilverWook said:

LexX said:

In Finland TPM 3D has pretty much flopped. In 1999 it was the most watched movie with 439 496 viewers. Now in two weeks it has been seen by 6 936 viewers. In its first week it finished at 7th place and on second week it isn't even in the top 10. For example the latest Mission: Impossible movie had 13 928 viewers last week (from the total of 106 601, it was released 3 weeks ago) to give you some perspective.

Edit: maybe a better example would be Lion King 3D which has now been seen by over 15 000 people here. I guess 3D releases of old movies aren't that popular here, but to be fair, both were just released on BD just last year.

Does winter weather play any part in movie attendance there?

I don't think so. You probably would need to be in the business to know if there are any differences between seasons. Spring probably could be busier time. But really, I just don't think there is any interest to watch the PT here again besides kids. Also there aren't that many 3D theatres here, either, but still.