LexX

H_h, have you listened the digital stereo mix and what are your thoughts on that possibly concerning your work?

You_Too said:

I don't think you guys should worry.

While I haven't talked to DJ since he got banned, I'm sure he won't give up this project just because of that. We're still in the process of cleaning up frames and we've finished more than half of the first movie.

We've also decided we're going to try and fix the color errors too, like Vader's belt lights, Luke's binoculars etc.

Excellent, great job guys!

SilverWook said:

msycamore said:

SilverWook said:

I'd like to think George respects Frank Oz too much to do that to Original Puppet Yoda (tm).

This is what Bill Hunt had to say in his blu-ray review: 

"For those of you who hate the past changes (and the new BD changes), believe me I get it. Let me just say, it could be a LOT worse. Sources well-positioned to know have told me that Lucas actually seriously considered replacing the puppet Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi with the all-digital version, and even had tests conducted to see how it would look. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. (For the record, I'm told that the digital Yoda just didn't look right or mesh well with the real, physical, practical Dagobah sets. Shocking, I know.) In any case, the films are what they are - changes and all - and now they're finally available on Blu-ray."

I'm afraid Lucas doesn't respect anyone's workmanship on these classic films these days. Frank Oz's voice performance maybe. This set was also released very close to Kershner's death, when a few years have passed it may be easier to go ahead with more alterations. I would like a commentary track where Lucas explains in detail why he changed certain things, what about Lukes' scream in the '97 SE that was lifted from the Emperor in Jedi, talk about creativity. ;)

That's pretty damn disturbing if true. The CGI tests must be hidden away in the deepest levels of the ranch that never see daylight. ;)

They tried that TESB CGI Yoda thing when they were doing the prequels as a test to get it look right, maybe that's just blown up in the media? There were some rough clips of that on some of the extras. I really can't believe they would actually replace it... It would take a lot of time and money, it wouldn't make it any better and it would create a serious backslash from the public.

Moth3r said:

What a night last night.

Firstly the France-Ukraine game and the thunderstorm - I can't ever remember a game being suspended because of weather before. Some good photos here.

And then another first - England beat Sweden in a competitive match. When we were down 2-1 I was thinking back to Euro 1992, but thankfully the final outcome was different this time. 

It was probably an entertaining game for a neutral fan - but only because our defence was crap.

They said that in Mexico 1986 was the last time they had to suspend the match so it was pretty rare. I wished that the rain wasn't so hard as it would've been more cool to watch it with all the lightnings, reminded me of the last UEFA tournament when there was a storm also.

England vs. Sweden was an entertaining match indeed, too bad for Sweden to drop out before its last game though.

You_Too said:

I don't know about ESB and ROTJ, but I can tell you that in any version of SW the colors are inconsistent, and they've been confirmed to have been like that on some original prints as well.

But is the GOUT inconsistent because the film originally was or is it because it is GOUT?

No offence to Puggo but I'm not a fan of that idea. :P I think it's funny but it  would take something away from a professional point of view since you've worked so hard on this.

Sorry, I misread  -1's post, didn't see the word MKV. I thought he was talking about BD-25 with full frame, but he meant BD-25 and a full frame MKV. That's what you get for being too fast and enthuastic reading these, LOL.

I assume full frame means no black bars to fill 16:9 image so how does that exactly work on TVs to get it right?

They're great. A little repetitive since they were published in a newspaper so sometimes the story doesn't go fo forward for like a page. But they are classic SW at its best. If you're already a Goodwin fan then why are you even asking? Go and get them.

The Dark Horse versions I guess are colored and maybe edited, don't know about them or any US version. They published three albums in black & white and I guess unedited in my country and they were fine. If you can find that kind of releases, get them. They were released here in maybe 2004 and 2005 and I think Dark Horse released these in the 90s in the US.

There are indeed different pan&scan versions of that scene. Some of them focus on Ben's back of the head while he's talking (I think earlier releases) and some on Luke's face while he's listening, if that's what you're thinking.

Okay, I'm working on the Finnish subs and noticed one thing so far. Does Owen say south ridge or south range twice? I've always thought it's ridge, the script says ridge and even Wookieepedia has South Ridge there. CatBus begs to differ. :D What do you guys think?

Keep it up. :)

Great, thank you!

Tobar said:

CP3S, I can't help but notice you completely left out Republic Commando. That was a good one.

Agreed, even though it was PT crap the game was very enjoyable, better than Jedi Outcast (which wasn't THAT great in the end).

Where do you dig up these B&W slave shots? :) Cool pics everybody.

Based on that one photo, I'm interested (even though I haven't played a new SW game in over 5 years).

timdiggerm said:

As usual, I'd like to remind you that ESB Leia is far more attractive.

Agreed. I like her a lot more in TESB, she's much prettier. Also have to agree that ROTJ didn't showcase her much in the bikini, most of the time she was just still.

This topic also remind me, I have poster banners from the 2004 DVD campaign which also includes life-size (at least almost) slave Leia poster which has been hanging in my room for 8 years and I've got a couple of comments having a big bikini girl poster hanging there but I'm like "umm, it's just Leia", LOL. It's not a big deal for me whether she's in the bikini or not.

Btw, I do have to wonder if Leia has influenced my taste of women, LOL. I like brunettes who aren't pushovers, can talk back and can be funny. Everything stems from somewhere so could be...

That first pic is photoshopped, sorry. She wasn't THAT curvy.

I think she looked nice in the bikini back then but to me it doesn't do much, really. Well, it's nice to look at the pics but it's not like WOW everytime I see her. I've watched these films since I was 8 and the characters are close to me, so it's kind of like getting aroused from your cousin or something, not literally of course but I don't fantasise over her, either. If I had seen the films as a teenager it might be different but as a kid it never really had an impact on me.

I think it looks better than my Finnish rental VHS straight capture and the colors seem a lot darker (better). Nice work. Was it PAL or NTSC?

Jetrell Fo said:

LexX said:

If this would pop up in, let's say, myspleen I'd greatly appreciate it.

Would myspleen accept this as a torrent if someone were to do one?

I'm not familiar with myspleen's specific rules but since this is just a preservation of a soundtrack that's not available elsewhere I don't know why not. :)

DuracellEnergizer said:

This thread is dedicated to all the myriad colours lightsabers beyond blue, red, green, and the occasional Mace Windu (yuck) purple. May the rainbow live long and prosper. Lucas' white bread vision can suck it!

Their robes are more multicolored than their sabers, yuck.

That's weird about giving wrong colored sabers after Star Wars was already out. Even in the novelization of Empire? Didn't they see Star Wars at all?

Of course one has to remind about Kenner's farmboy Luke's yellow saber which continued until the end of the line. Also Bespin Luke had a yellow saber too.

If this would pop up in, let's say, myspleen I'd greatly appreciate it.

I think he's cool as a creative guy but as a director he sucks. Jurassic Park III, never forget.

TServo2049 said:

LexX said:

So, a widescreen release that is still missing. Interesting.

Not exactly. 1.85:1 films were usually shot open-matte, and they knew that Battle for Endor would go straight to TV in the U.S., so the full-frame versions of Battle for Endor would be at least mostly open-matte.

Notice I said "mostly." What I am curious about are the visual effects. ILM shot in VistaVision, so anything intended for theatrical release would use the full VistaVision frame. This means that for full-frame video transfers, the non-FX footage would be open-matte (or at least as open-matte as full-frame video transfers usually were - most of them did remove just a bit of picture on all 4 sides), but the FX shots would be cropped on the sides.

For an example of this, watch the ending of Back to the Future in full-frame and compare it to the widescreen version. There's a lot more picture on the top and bottom, and maybe a little less on the sides, until it cuts to the DeLorean lifting off, at which point there's only maybe a sliver of extra picture on the top and bottom, and a whole lot cropped off the sides.

The "ILM: The Art of Special Effects" coffee-table book mentions that for The Ewok Adventure, panning was added to matte shots by shooting the live plate in VistaVision, compositing the painting in, and then printing it down to standard 35mm and panning it optically. (I believe this same "P&S VistaVision" technique was used to add movement to matte paintings and composite shots on Star Trek: The Next Generation, though they did it at the telecine stage.)

If I had to guess, in European theaters the whole of The Ewok Adventure was matted, including these shots. I doubt that they went back to the static, un-panned matte composites, since they pan-and-scanned them specifically to add camera movement and make the matte shots less obvious.

The question is whether the theatrical prints of The Battle for Endor had the FX shots in real widescreen, or if they were also matted down from 1.33:1. If they incorporated optical horizontal "tracking" into the FX shots in that film as well, then I'd guess that even the theatrical release was matted.

That's interesting, I didn't even know that about BTTF. You learn every day...

Edit: but still, pittrek's post said that it was shot in widescreen, not in full frame?

pittrek said:

 

 

This time Lucasfilm seems to have intended the film for theatrical release, giving it a decent effects budget and shooting for widescreen instead of grainy tv print blow-up

 

 

 

So, a widescreen release that is still missing. Interesting.