LexX

My personal canon are:

• OOT
• Classic LucasArts games that aren’t based on the PT up to Jedi Academy (so X-Wing series, Dark Forces series, KOTOR I-II, Rebel Assault I-II etc.)
• Al Williamson’s classic comics (B&W + Marvel)
• and as an epilogue but more of an addon than actual canon maybe, the Thrawn trilogy

Probably forgot something but basically most good stuff surrounding the OT without any PT or Disney tarnishing.

StarkillerAG said:

LexX said:

I couldn’t care less about “Lucas canon” and so should everyone, that’s my point.

But he clearly cares, and that’s my point. It’s fine to have an opinion on what’s the “best” version, but the OP came in with a clear request, and I responded accordingly. You can’t expect to just force everyone to have the same taste that you do.

Clearly? He’s looking for a fan edit. He said he didn’t want Disney stuff and to my knowledge 1997 is GL’s official version as well, so not sure what your problem is. If I was forcing my taste then I wouldn’t recommend any SE version at all, I haven’t seen those in over 10 years. So stop dissing others’ opinion if they differ from your own. Thank you.

StarkillerAG said:

LexX said:

StarkillerAG said:

If all you want removed is the “Noooo”, then you should probably track down the 2004 DVD version. Vader’s line was added to the movie for the 2011 Blu-ray release. There are some other changes in that version too, but none of them are as noticeable as Vader’s “Noooo”.

While this is true, I’d rather go with the 1997 Special Edition if the SE is what you want.

But there are way more changes introduced in the 2004 edition then there are in the 2011 version, so if the OP wants an experience that’s as close to the “official” version as possible, I think 2004 is the way to go. For example, Hayden doesn’t show up in the 1997 version, and given how much the OP seems to be an adherent to Lucas canon, that would probably be a big sticking point for them.

I know, which is why I said what I said. Not sure what you mean by “offical” as they all are official, some are just better than others… I couldn’t care less about “Lucas canon” and so should everyone, that’s my point.

StarkillerAG said:

If all you want removed is the “Noooo”, then you should probably track down the 2004 DVD version. Vader’s line was added to the movie for the 2011 Blu-ray release. There are some other changes in that version too, but none of them are as noticeable as Vader’s “Noooo”.

While this is true, I’d rather go with the 1997 Special Edition if the SE is what you want.

Hal 9000 said:

No, it was still Lucasfilm, but with new management.

Not sure I’m liking this future… 😦

Hal 9000 said:

Believe it or not, Lucas was pretty hands-off, not directing them.

Whaaa? So did Fox make the movies by themselves?

Did GL direct all of them? Did any of them have CGI gophers? Are X-XII in the pipeline?

Nope.

NeverarGreat said:

I assume the title should say ‘before the prequels were made’, and if so, then yes, I did. An amphibious creature seems at home in a marsh. That is not to say that he never left Dagobah, but I still can’t see a nature-loving person like Yoda feeling at home on Coruscant or in charge of the entire Jedi Order.

Neither Vader nor the Emperor seem to even suspect that Yoda had a hand in training Luke, so it feels very much like Yoda was solidly in retirement for hundreds of years before the events of the prequels, and his training Obi-wan was probably a quiet, spiritual affair much like Luke being drawn to Dagobah in the OT.

In the ROTJ novel, and then probably in earlier drafts as well, Palpatine finds out that Yoda trained Luke. It doesn’t matter in the film so luckily it’s cut, but based on that they knew him.

I don’t remember Yoda being amphibious.

I didn’t think Dagobah was his homeworld, nor did I think he would be living on Coruscant either. But it was clear that he used to be somewhere else training Jedi for 800 years, not in a swamp. For me it always looked like he was just hiding in “a strange place to find a Jedi master”.

NeverarGreat said:

Technically in the lore, Orcs are a variety of Elves, and some Orcs such as the Uruk-Hai are Orcs bred with Goblin-men, and all of these races can breed with humans. Elrond is only half-elven, for example. They’re all people, and technically all variations of humans due to that ability to interbreed.

As for how they are portrayed, yes there are plenty of Orcs of all skin colors in the movies and the show:

The point is that clearly you don’t care what skin color these people are regardless of where they come from, so my point stands. Why does skin tone homogeneity matter to the heroes but not to the villains?

Yeah, that is said in the films also. But they have somehow created them with evilness, who knows how.

To your last point: I have never said that, again stop putting words into my mouth. I haven’t talked about villains at all. And speaking of their skin color, none of it is real, it’s all makeup. There are no orcs who are just black or white people with eye lenses, so your suggestive posts are just trying to stir the pot for the sake of it. There is nothing between the lines.

NeverarGreat said:

LexX said:

poppasketti said:

And those that are nauseatingly railing against “wokeness” seem to have no issue with the actor other than that they are black. That’s not good enough. You seem distracted by a perceived agenda behind casting a non-white person, when really you should ask yourself “why not cast a non-white person?”

People with darker skin are affected by the Sun on Earth and the darker you are the closer you live to the Equator, that’s just how it has happened through evolution. How in the hell do you explain dark-skinned dwarfs who live inside mountains hardly at all seeing a Sun? They should be whiter than regular men. And don’t give any “it’s a fantasy world” answer… It is based on cultures on Earth.

So the many dark-skinned Orcs in in the books, movies, and show, who spent much of their lives in caves and avoided the sun whenever possible lived lives…closer to the equator basking in the sun? I can’t recall a single person ever being brought out of the story by this curiosity, and I don’t see any reason why other peoples of Middle Earth should be held to a different standard.

Unless, of course, you think that the Forces of Evil are the only ones expected to be multicultural in Tolkien’s world. Which is a…hell of a take.

Orcs don’t look like humans to me, unlike Dwarfs and Hobbits and Men who seem to be fantasy sub-races of humans. And aren’t they mostly dark green. I’m not even sure how they breed, if they came from inside the ground or what… I’m not that into the lore. IIRC there were darker skinned Men who came from the south of the Middle-Earth which seems natural of course, while the north was more whiter, as it is, and the stories happen to happen there. Not sure what is the problem with that, that’s how Earth was thousands of years.

And don’t try to put words into my mouth to make your hell of a takes. I could make one similarly, are you saying that Orcs look like non-white people to you when suggesting this kind of comparison?

poppasketti said:

And those that are nauseatingly railing against “wokeness” seem to have no issue with the actor other than that they are black. That’s not good enough. You seem distracted by a perceived agenda behind casting a non-white person, when really you should ask yourself “why not cast a non-white person?”

People with darker skin are affected by the Sun on Earth and the darker you are the closer you live to the Equator, that’s just how it has happened through evolution. How in the hell do you explain dark-skinned dwarfs who live inside mountains hardly at all seeing a Sun? They should be whiter than regular men. And don’t give any “it’s a fantasy world” answer… It is based on cultures on Earth.

I’m only on the third episode, but I have to say I strongly dislike the show. There are just things happening here and there and they cut from scene to scene every time something almost happens. Also the wokeness just stinks through pretty much in every scene, it’s hard to see what is actually happening as you can only see corporates doing the same paint by numbers and ticking every woke point. The only thing I can say is that it looks good as a TV show (as it should), but other than that this is just a big pile of garbage.

Back in the day I once tried to read one of the New Jedi Order books in English which isn’t my first language, and I didn’t understand anything. Man, that was baffling.

G&G-Fan said:

I find it a little ironic that she apparently left George because he wouldn’t stop making movies, but now she thinks it’s unfortunate that she wasn’t brought in to do the prequels.

That’s not what really happened, though.

MonkeyLizard10 said:

Fang Zei said:

emanswfan said:

And to note the extra bit depth is incredibly useful for color grading work in fanedits.

I’ve run into many issues with regrading the prequels due to the limited amount available on the current blu-rays. Meanwhile working on Solo from the 4K Blu-ray, it’s incredible just how much you can alter the image.

Are you one of the twelve people in the world who actually owns a UHD optical drive?

???
plenty of people have them

Well, yeah, 3 years later…

I really like that Marcia has been coming out of the woods in the recent years. I wish she never left, she knew exactly what SW was… It’s cool to hear from a person who I had not heard talk or even seen anywhere other than possibly in old BTS clips until like 5 years ago.

DrDre said:

Wazzles said:

The version Gareth Edwards saw was likely the current Disney+ version since it was in the works at the time.

Almost certainly since he mentioned at the time they just completed a new 4K restoration.

I remember him mentioning/referring that it was the actual original version. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. If he didn’t then yes, it certainly would be the D+ version.

adywan said:

And why does everyone keep going back to the GOUT to “prove” that the footage is not upscaled or that it is all new? You really think that is the only source they have? Have you checked all the supplementary material over the years? But it’s also pretty obvious to see that, even with the lower quality compressed youtube vid, that all the film footage is lower quality than even some of the 16mm BTS footage they are showing in the trailer. It looks like older scanned footage they had already scanned from prints and not negatives.

Because the GOUT is all we officially have. I don’t want to speak on behalf of others, but when talking about new scans it means they seem to be new to us. Who cares what year they have actually scanned it, you don’t know it, we don’t know it. I think the main point people are making is that these shots seem to be from different sources than anything before while LFL has been giving us all kinds of excuses not having the originals, not wanting to scan or release them, and just trying to oppress them. Who believes what is a different story of course. The only thing that comes to mind is that Gareth Edwards said he saw the original film at LFL over 5 years ago, was it a 4K scan or something.

And you answered to yourself in the last sentence. It seems that way, so it’s something different than has been before. As in new to us coming from LFL.

CarboniteSolo said:

Most of the stormtroopers were there in Mos Eisley.

That’s because of the droids they were looking for.

Oh, man, there’s so many. Too bad I’ve forgotten most of them…

• Forrest Gump
• Caddyshack
• Harry Potter movies (okay, I haven’t seen one but all the clips I’ve seen are just nothing I’d be interested in)
• Iron Man (one of the two Marvel movies I’ve seen and this is supposed to be a good one) --> all Marvel movies
• pretty much most “great” movies made in the 2000s
• oh yeah, ALL Tarantino movies
• and ALL Pixar movies
• and ALL Kubrick movies

These I don’t hate but I don’t get why they are considered great (if they are). I think they’re mediocre at best

• Gremlins films
• Vacation films
• Goonies

D-O said:

nobodybutjarjar42 said:

also starting with the 3D release and later disney+,2020 physical re-release,and all streaming services since 2020 of the phantom menace have one change to add more detail here

Oh right, they updated the end of the magnet stick to look more 3D.

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=326049

Will you be adding these D+ changes to the list as well? They now end to the 2011 version.

screams in the void said:

I watched the 2006 GOUT version of Return Of The Jedi yesterday and noticed something I never caught after decades of viewing this film …not a visual thing , but an audio one …at the start of the scene where Threepio tells his story in the Ewok village , a few notes of the Imperial March are played on Ewok Drums . Who’s side were they really on ? Their stomachs apparently .

I don’t think it’s supposed to be “live music”, it’s just part of the score to set the scene.

Wow, nice find! It even moves its head and arms. 😃