LexX

I haven’t made any progress, I got a bit burnt out. As a perfectionist I wanted to make all the audio tracks exactly timed to the original, and I don’t mean by frame but by the exact waveform. It wasn’t as easy as I thought it would be since the audio can differ a bit many times within a minute, although the Finnish tracks seem to be pretty much the exact match even though that has been recorded from TV and others come from official releases, including D+. But now I have like 7 tracks for each episode… I had to take a break. I will try to do the one track I haven’t finished like this, and then the rest I’ll just try to match them as closely as possible with one go for each act. One annoying track is the lone French track for The Great Heep, I started doing that at some point and it is a pain.
Still looking for what I’m missing, though!

mcbenzi said:

LexX said:

If you can upload the original dubs somewhere (audio only is enough) I’d appreciate it and would add them to the videos. 😃

I just sent to you!

LexX said:

• video sources for recaps in episodes 8-9, better English audio sources for all of the recaps (got a couple from YT)

Why don’t you put together the recap using the scenes from the previous episode that are already in HD?

Thank you!
And that is exactly what I’ve done, but I’m completely missing the recaps from those episodes, so I can’t do them in HD as I don’t know what they look (and sound) like.

mcbenzi said:

LexX said:

Huh, I found out that on D+ Droids have the following dubs:

• Cantonese Dolby 2.0
• English Dolby 2.0
• Español (Latinoamericano) Dolby 2.0
• Greek Dolby 2.0
• Korean Dolby 2.0
• Português (Brasil) Dolby 2.0
• Taiwanese Mandarin Dolby 2.0

Umm, anyone have access to these? I found a few of the latino dubs on YT but not all. Does anyone know the history of these, are these original from the 80s/90s? Odd that they don’t have any of those released on VHS (Spanish, French, German, Japanese…).

I have the portuguese (brazil) subs and dubs. There are 2 portuguese dubs for this cartoon (the original one that is included in D+ and the dub for the DVD format).

If you can upload the original dubs somewhere (audio only is enough) I’d appreciate it and would add them to the videos. 😃

benduwan said:

Do you have myspleen?
I’ve upload them in german.

I do, and I tried to download them once. I don’t think there were any seeders. It also seems that there was only a couple of the originals, the rest were DVD versions. I’d need new German transfers as is from the commercial VHS releases, it seems there has been none done and everything circling around is 10+ years old and cut and pasted together with several problems.

The movie is on Youtube in HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UinthQCQHYw
I just watched it for the first time. A solid 7/10 movie. Great animation, scenery, locations etc. It could be straight from the SW universe and actually feels more like it than anything Disney’s put out. The story is a bit weak but still enjoyable.

Huh, I found out that on D+ Droids have the following dubs:

• Cantonese Dolby 2.0
• English Dolby 2.0
• Español (Latinoamericano) Dolby 2.0
• Greek Dolby 2.0
• Korean Dolby 2.0
• Português (Brasil) Dolby 2.0
• Taiwanese Mandarin Dolby 2.0

Umm, anyone have access to these? I found a few of the latino dubs on YT but not all. Does anyone know the history of these, are these original from the 80s/90s? Odd that they don’t have any of those released on VHS (Spanish, French, German, Japanese…).

And what I’ve already done:

• synced the D+ versions to Finnish broadcast versions which seem to be in their original format
• this includes adding the recaps done in HD from the previous episodes and adjusting the commercial break blackouts into the right length (except for the missing episodes mentioned above)

In progress:

• syncing the dubs to the English tracks (but really wishing to get better copies than what are on YT)
• adding chapters to the episodes

Not started:

• syncing the subs to the newly formatted episodes

They will be updated on the next release, though, so stay tuned…

CatBus said:

Don Porcino said:

Hi, does this project include Finnish subtitles on all the movies in the trilogy and if it does could i get them?

Yes it does! PM sent.

FWIW, the Finnish subtitles in Project Threepio were translated by one our own users, LexX. The official Finnish subtitles tend to be abbreviated/summarized, which loses some of the flavor of the original dialogue.

Indeed, and I have a new and improved, hopefully final version ready. I try to keep an eye out when the next update is coming and I can send those your way.

I’m trying to do some kind of Droids preservation. If anyone can help, I would be in the need for:

• Spanish dubs captured from the commercial releases as is
• German dubs captured from the commercial releases as is
• French dubs captured from the commercial releases as is
• Japanese(?) dubs captured from the commercial releases as is (only seen the covers, not sure if they are dubbed or not)
• video sources for recaps in episodes 8-9, better English audio sources for all of the recaps (got a couple from YT)
• any other dubs known? Mexican?

I got all Spanish and German dubs from YT, plus 1 French dub for the Great Heep. Aside from the lackluster quality, they suffer from editing probably done by their original uploaders, and also they have missing audio frames, even a second or two, additional length in the middle etc. so they have been a disaster trying to edit in sync with the original. I would love to have the original unmolested audio for all of them. Anyone here own any of those tapes and could capture them? I saw someone on Reddit posting a collection of these for example, who knows if the person is here.
And for what it’s worth, I captured mine free in a library, so that shouldn’t be very hard. =)

Mocata said:

Haha that’s very funny somehow, maybe because the hair is noticeably worse than in ESB.

That’s what more GL supervision gets you.

CatBus said:

LexX said:

I’m doing a complete overhaul for my subs so stay tuned… 😃
But I found a weird problem. It seems that sub tracks have different timing when used in mpv vs. MPC. I can’t play SW 4K smoothly on MPC so I’ve always had to use mpv, also when re-adjusting the timings. There seems to be 2 frame difference between the players. That’s pretty weird, does anyone know the reason?

I know PGS subtitles can be off by a frame from what you intend because the internal timecodes use 24.000fps, even for 23.976 subtitles, and rounding issues can potentially send a subtitle to one frame or another. Presumably since PGS is more like the native subtitle format and even it has issues, text-based subtitles could potentially have even more due to the extra conversion. And, of course, there are just plain errors. For most people, if the subtitle is off by two frames, nobody would even report the bug, let alone fix it.

Yeah, sorry, I meant srt subtitles as I use them to work with. It’s not a big problem but mainly it’s apparent for example during ALTA, beginning of SW logo, and Huttese subs as their sync differs. So not sure what is the “right” timing, MPC, mpv or something else.

I’m doing a complete overhaul for my subs so stay tuned… 😃
But I found a weird problem. It seems that sub tracks have different timing when used in mpv vs. MPC. I can’t play SW 4K smoothly on MPC so I’ve always had to use mpv, also when re-adjusting the timings. There seems to be 2 frame difference between the players. That’s pretty weird, does anyone know the reason?

Cool project. Question: why didn’t you use the D+ versions? They are in higher quality and I believe in correct aspect ratio.

fmalover said:

I say ROTJ marked the point George Lucas decided that Obi-Wan’s robes from the first movie were the official Jedi vestments, as evidenced by Anakin’s ghost, which retroactively creates a problem.

Kinda, but also Anakin is from Tatooine. But mainly, it works for the audience best. If they had seen Anakin in some sleek Luke’s black uniform or samurai like wardrobe, he wouldn’t have looked nearly as friendly and kind than old Ben’s familiar comfortable robes.

Well, there’s the confirmation. Congrats to the OP, he was probably the first one to find it.

There is the official version that is played in the Concert series. But getting that indeed requires a raid.

WookieeWarrior77 said:

I just thought of something. When Luke and friends are on the skiff, and he tells Han, “there’s nothing to see, I used to live here, you know” doesn’t Han know what Tatooine looks like?

I don’t understand the problem here. Han says he can’t see, Luke says there’s nothing to see as they are in the middle of the desert. How else would that conversation could have gone?

3PO in SW is a lot different than in the sequels. Much more sci-fi/robotic and more monotone. Later he became more approachable and human.

What I like:

• Mary Elizabeth Winsted as Hera, the only good actress in the series. I didn’t even realize who she was until the end credits even though she looked familiar. She’s the only one who acts like a real person.
• The set pieces. I like the rebel ships and also the bad guy ship has finally something new and cool looking interior.
• Even though the music isn’t really rememberable, at least it feels more SW.
• The bad guy seems cool even though doesn’t do much yet. Don’t even remember his name.
• At last some BLACK SPACE in the last episode and not always next to some colorful planets and weird space clouds. I’d like to see more SPACE in STAR WARS.

Dislikes:

• The assumption that everyone knows these characters is ridicilously high and misplaced. I didn’t even know/remember that Ahsoka trained Sabine even though I watched Rebels (if it was there or where-ever, I don’t care)
• Very wooden acting aside Mary, people just posing around and standing, squinting their eyes and trying to look cool. Mostly the main character.
• Can’t really blaim for Rebels references as this seems to be a straight sequel to that series which is something I’m not interested the least.
• The dark jedi seem to next to nothing. The girl should get a haircut, looks ridicilous.
• The first two episodes had heavy pacing issues, just standing around.
• I almost got a mystery feeling in the space battle about who came after them and they immediately show it’s the girl and her friends. Would have been much more interesting to not show everything to the viewer.
• I guess this is the Disney era, in space military there are 3-4 women in charge of some dangerous battle mission agains 2 bad women + 1 guy standing around. Sure, that could happen… Compensating much, Disney?

I don’t want to say I told you so, but I bloody well did.

Maybe this thread is what you’re looking for: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Rogue-Zero-What-was-changed-reshot-etc-in-Rogue-One/id/52626

Mocata said:

In the end his friends are irrelevant to the bigger picture. He makes it clear that becoming an agent of evil is the worse scenario.

Only if Yoda is certain about Luke’s turn and his inability to help. But why say “if you honor what they fight for” they should die, I don’t get that part. You can’t help people if you honor what they fight for? To make it clear, of course I do understand that Luke is not ready to confront Vader, but the way Yoda explains it to Luke doesn’t make sense to me.

So, a question. When Luke sees Han & Leia in pain, Yoda says “decide you must how to serve them best…” etc. Is this Yoda’s psychology to not have Luke meet Vader yet, even if it means the death of Luke’s friends? He says he doesn’t see if they die. But if they did, why would you say that you have to decide if to help your friends or let them die? Why would it matter, if Luke “destroys all for what they have fought and suffered” if he was to save his friends from death, isn’t that worth it? If Luke hadn’t gone, do you think Han and/or Leia would have died if Vader didn’t get what he wanted? What do you think?

In my country they showed the 2011 BD edition. There was a thread about this back then where people chimed in. That was 3 years ago of course, there would be no reason to show the inferior version again.

timdiggerm said:

LexX said:

timdiggerm said:

LexX said:

timdiggerm said:

Hard to pirate without a source.

There is a lot of sources for Disney owned films, 4K, BD, DVD, VHS and film. If they never made any physical releases ever again, all of these sources become more attractive to collectors and their prices would rise. Lets say, 50 or 100 years from now they haven’t released anything… can you imagine how much would e.g. classic Disney cartoons cost on the secondary market? Probably hundreds if not thousands of dollars per movie, all which they would lose. Even today there have been DVDs that command hundreds of dollars on the secondary market because they have not seen a re-release since.

All true, but irrelevant to non-collectors (ie most people)

But not to Disney when they could get some of that money by relesing their properties. Also one could argue that there are others than collectors who would like to own Disney classics in the future as well, that is normal families.

I feel like the fact that they’re stopping maybe indicates you’re overestimating the size of the collector market

I’m not talking about this moment but the future when this kind of decision (if there is one) has an actual effect.