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#1312609
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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4throck said:

I interpreted that the other way around.
Leia becomes one with Ben (sort of force projects into him), mirroring Luke’s sacrifice in TLJ.

This explains why he’s able to fight the Knights of Ren, survive the death pit and transfer life into Rey (*).
It’s Ben’s + Leia (as a full jedi master) combined powers. So when Ben dies, they both “rise” at the same time, since they are joined by the force.

(*) While Rey is dead, Ben is the last living Jedi.

That’s pretty much what I got, wasn’t sure how to articulate that well enough.

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#1312530
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I’ve never been in a theater for a Star Wars movie where anybody groaned or laughed at the movie instead of with the movie. There’s always clapping and cheering. Anybody who’s ever left the theater has always come back hurrying. I think most people in an area just coincidentally feel the same way cause people that dislike a movie tend to be in a theater where everybody mocks it or leaves, whereas I tend to have a more positive outlook and only experience good audience reactions.

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#1312506
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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This and Solo are definitely the only two movies where I don’t remember any planet names, and I can’t find any online so I don’t even know if the Jungle planet is named at all. Either way that’s an amazing idea! I say we make it as Naboo as possible, and that way along with the purple lightsaber it can bring forth some Leia flavor that this film was intended to be, because of Leia’s maternal heritage. Even Rey has ties to Naboo because of Palpatine’s time in the prequels. When I go see it again tomorrow, I’m gonna look out for any shots to put those elder heads. Maybe put some rustic versions of those shiny, yellow Naboo starfighters from Episode I in some shots in the jungle and the final battle like the Ghost in Rogue One?

Apparently the Death Star wreckage is on an “oceanic moon called Kef Bir” which at first I thought was dumb because it can easily be the same moon as ROTJ as seen in the Ewok movies where there are plains and oceans. Now thinking I guess it doesn’t matter because they specifically say “forest moon” in ROTJ to imply there are other non-forest moons of Endor, so I’m fine with that now.

Another little change is to switch BB-8 with R2 at the ending somehow, because JJ really likes BB-8 so much that Rian had to ask him to switch them at the end of TFA. I think it’s weird not ending the saga at the homestead with R2, and Rey just kinda took Poe’s droid.

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#1312492
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Unless I’m remembering wrong, they said Leia was sending one final message to Ben before she laid down to die. I took that moment as Leia’s spirit literally going to Ben to save his soul (and that’s why he sees Han after her death, because she’s the one showing him), so when Ben died at the end it made both bodies vanish because he took her with him. I’m sure I’m dead wrong but that’s my thought process.

My only ideas for edits would be

  • inserting prequel planets in that montage they had with ONLY original trilogy locations.

  • inserting at the very least Ben Solo with Luke and Leia on Tattooine somehow

  • Carrie Fisher often said her lightsaber color would be purple, so maybe simply change the color of her saber to add a little bit of her flavor to it so it’s not only blue and red

  • maybe cut Finn’s “I never told you” stuff altogether since they never conclude that, but I’m pretty sure what we’re supposed to get is him having the force cause how else could he have felt Rey’s death like that

  • go to ImmersionVFX to give lightsabers to the Knights of Ren like with the Praetorian Guards since they’re heavily implied to be previous students of Luke’s

  • and yeah cut the kiss

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#1312433
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Again, it makes me wish that Trevorrow’s version had been made because at least it did not have Palpatine. Something like Kylo being betrayed by the First Order and having to work with the heroes, and maybe a Stormtrooper Rebellion for Finn’s plot, could’ve set up an ending where the war ends in peace and unification rather than destroying the enemy, which would have set it apart from the way ROTJ ends.

Jannah tells this story about how her entire regiment of stormtroopers laid down their weapons when they refused to kill their enemy. Imagine instead of being told this, we actually saw it.

After Hux and the First Order council depose Kylo Ren, they could begin kidnapping children tenfold as a reaction to the growing Resistance. The final mission could have been to go to the planet where they take these children and free them. Maybe they fail and are at the execution block, but the stormtroopers, witnessing their attempt to save the children, finally turn on their masters. I also think an ending reminiscent to Temple of Doom, with children reuniting with their parents, would have been rather powerful.

This sounds exactly like what I wanted for Episode 8. I hadn’t written my own version going in, which is probably why I can defend a lot while still not enjoying it that much, but after seeing Episode 8 I was wanting these specific plotlines. In Episode 9, I think the way Kylo would have turned in Trevorrow’s just because his army turns on him would be too little, too late. It would make me dislike him a lot. Not sure how to convey anymore without going on a novel-long vent. The Temple of Doom ending is also what I’ve been thinking anytime my head goes to a stormtrooper rebellion, you hit the nail right on the head. I’m sad that it appears they cut a lot of context with Lando and Jannah, as I feel it deserves far more attention.

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#1312430
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I’m hoping they still release a lot of the deleted TFA scenes. I remember hearing a lot of descriptions and JJ talking about stuff they shot with Korr Sella on Hosnian Prime or something, but they barely released much. Now I fear we might never get a lot of the footage as I’m sure all or most of the deleted TFA Leia footage is in TROS and they might not wanna release that footage ever in fear of people watching it and then not unseeing it when watching TROS. I agree that as the last saga film they should go all out and release as much deleted scenes, behind the scenes, etc. as possible.

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#1312329
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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When Rey was deflecting the lightning from Palpatine I was expecting all the force ghosts to appear around her like the ghosts appear to Harry in the Goblet of Fire or Deathly Hallows. Instead we just hear voices and it was nice hearing everybody. Hell, even Freddie Prinze Jr as Kanan and Ashley Eckstein as Ahsoka had their voices in there along with others. The little problem I have with that is I could only make out Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christenson, but I have zero clue what any of them are saying cause they overlap a bit too much. I could only make out Ewan saying “these are your final steps” and I think Hayden just saying “Rey, don’t give in” or something similar. I never even heard Liam Neeson or Samuel L. Jackson who arguably have the most recognizable voices of the bunch.

Maybe also inserting Anakin at the end with Luke and Leia on Tattooine without making it look too awkward like those old ROTJ Qui Gon edits on YouTube would be nice, especially if somebody were to put Ben Solo’s ghost with them if anybody, as it kind of felt incomplete seeing him vanish but not popping up as a ghost at all. It’s also funny to know that JJ just kind of stuck with “they had the force so they’re ghosts” idea when in canon it’s a whole process to become immortalized. Like when did Mace Windu or Luminara do any of that?

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#1312324
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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RU.08 said:

If you like shaky-cam that’s fine, but don’t say it isn’t there because it is.

I know what shaky cam is and I definitely didn’t say it wasn’t there, I was meaning that I had no clue what people were talking about cause my mind just doesn’t register it I guess, then I watched the clip again and saw it, but it seemed too small for me to understand why some people would refuse to see an entire movie solely based on that.

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#1312321
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I’ve been watching everything with subtitles on, so my mind is trained to reading a little right now and I couldn’t make out a few lines Palpatine said, but I took it as him just harnessing their life forces and taking in their spirit and power. I wasn’t thinking inside of Palpatine was the spirit of Plagueis or anything, just that they were probably implying Palpy stole his power, and that was why Sidious was the biggest baddie of the Sith. It at least ties a bit into Episode III when he keeps talking big game about cheating death, but his whole plan was just to eventually body jump into Anakin until it was ruined when he had to wear a suit to live.

I thought it would have been funny if they had gone through with Rey finishing the ritual and then Daisy Ridley would have had to act like Palpatine until Ben pulls his soul out of her or something.

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#1312314
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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While I’m satisfied with what we got, I agree that creating Rey instead of being blood related would’ve been a more satisfying connection to Sheev in terms of the whole saga without discrediting the chosen one thing. And while I love Sheev in this film and I’m completely okay with reviving him for this movie, I also think more people would be on board with this if they got Darth Plagueis to be the one who created Snoke to puppeteer. Even if Rey was still a Palpatine, having Plagueis replace Sheev in this movie would mirror Sheev’s role in the saga. While Sheev kept turning pawns until he got to Anakin and eventually tried but failed with his greatest apprentice’s son, Plagueis would have turned Palpatine and had Ben Solo be a pawn until he tried and failed to turn his greatest apprentice’s granddaughter.

I like to imagine they thought about that but went with Palpy instead because of general audiences being really confused.

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#1312291
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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  1. The Empire Strikes Back - 9/10
  2. Solo - 9/10
  3. The Rise of Skywalker - 8/10
  4. The Force Awakens - 8/10
  5. Return of the Jedi - 8/10
  6. Revenge of the Sith - 8/10
  7. A New Hope - 8/10
  8. The Phantom Menace - 7/10
  9. Rogue One - 6/10
  10. The Last Jedi - 5/10
  11. Attack of the Clones - 2/10

At the moment Episode IX is pretty high up and will definitely remain above 7 and 8, but I also reorder my list all the time so who knows how I’ll feel in a month or two. I’m sure I’ll be shot for having Solo at number 2, but sue me. Solo is overhated.

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#1312283
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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krlozdac said:

When the tickets were first being sold, the runtime was said to be 2h 35m. It seems to me like they did a final squeeze in order to get more showtimes and get a more family friendly runtime. And, oh boy, can you tell. Particularly in the opening act.

If you’ve been following some of the leaked stuff then you know there was much more to this movie than what we got. Palpatine’s reveal was meant to build up throughout the first act instead of just being dropped in out of nowhere from the very beginning.

Lando was supposed to have a daughter that was kidnapped long ago to become a stormtrooper. The end was meant to imply that it was Jannah. But without that set up, you only get them randomly meeting without any idea of why they’re talking to each other. It even makes the exchange seem potentially creepy.

I really hope that we get the deleted stuff in the Bluray because I could feel a good film trying to burst out of the seams of what ended up feeling like a rushed, unearned mess.

I’m one of the ones that honestly loved the movie, but I do agree the pacing was insanely quick at the very start and a little towards the end. If this is really the case then I’m both bummed that the version I really like isn’t the entirety of the movie, but hopeful that we do get all those scenes in a bluray. I usually hate extended editions with a passion because they should always put the film as it is in theaters instead of shortening it to detract from the proper vision, but I wouldn’t mind getting an extended cut of Episode 9 officially released instead of fanedits throwing in the deleted scenes.

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#1312275
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I actually wish the movie was longer, I thought I saw somewhere that the runtime was a few minutes longer the TLJ, but then I find out it’s 12 minutes shorter for some reason. Would be nice to have the final movie in the saga be the longest. Now TLJ really just sticks out to me in a weird way despite how forgiving I am of it.

Also another nitpick of the film would be the montage at the end when it went from Cloud City to Endor to Jakku. I have no clue why somebody quoted to be tying up all three trilogies would not put in a few seconds of Naboo or Coruscant. Naboo’s one of my favorite planets aesthetically so I can be bias, but there’s really no reason not to include it.

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#1312271
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

Regarding Ben’s redemption and Reylo, I think the films go a long way trying to portray Kylo as a victim manipulated from birth, which I think tries to make his character more sympathetic.

Don’t get me wrong, Ben is by far my favorite character of the sequels and maybe even the whole saga, and I have the utmost sympathy for him as I can relate to a lot of aspects and themes of his arc. I think my main issue with the Reylo kiss was that since I can’t even remember another line of dialogue from him upon arrival to face Palpatine, it felt like the kiss was robbing Adam Driver a better performance to go out on. I’m not saying dialogue is what gives a performance, but the death of Anakin in Luke’s arms has always stuck out to me as my most memorable Star Wars moment and his last words mixed with Williams’ score has sort of haunted me growing up. I’d have to see it again to have an official statement on how I feel fully I think.

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#1312262
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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After not posting on this site for a long while, I’m back to piss everybody off by saying I loved this movie and it’s by far my favorite of the sequel trilogy. Up front, I don’t know how anybody can read leaks to a movie and then be upset about it. Obviously if you read something and decide you don’t like it before seeing how it’s meant to be presented, then you’re setting yourself up with disappointment. I also don’t watch any trailers for anything, so outside of Palpatine returning I was going in pretty blind. So if anybody who hates this film is confused why I enjoyed 95% of this movie, those are pretty big contributors. Lastly, I may just be dumb, but I don’t know what people are talking about when they relate JJ Abrams’ style with shaky cam. I’ve seen TFA dozens of times and I cannot recall a single shot in that manner, but I can think of extreme shaky cam in every other SW movie since.

On the topic of retconning TLJ, I found nothing to actually be a retcon itself. The only thing that comes to mind is Palpatine being Snoke the whole time and Rey being a Palpatine. The Snoke part isn’t a retcon because they never revealed his backstory in the first place. It probably just comes across as a retcon because it’s obvious that Abrams and Rian Johnson have different visions for the story. Rey being a Palpatine was obvious to me the moment he showed up and said something along the lines of “… who she really is.” I thought to myself “well, I guess we’re doing that then.”

I definitely wasn’t thrilled as somebody who felt one of the few great things about TLJ was the handling of Rey and the decision to keep her as a nobody. I’ve been saying since TFA that she was never confused about who her parents were, just depressed that she was abandoned by them. Then suddenly in TLJ, Kylo tells her he knows who her parents are, but even before that moment she only ever said she wanted to see* her parents and where they are in the dark side cave. In my opinion, the identity of her heritage only came up in TLJ and TROS because everybody made a big deal about it. I will say that although I wasn’t thrilled with turning her from a nobody to a Palpatine, the way they brought it to her attention by making her suddenly burst force lightning and thinking she killed Chewie was a powerful moment among my audience. Rey’s continuing fear of her past and bloodties affecting her, and Palpatine returning in the first place makes me forgive the change in character. I don’t think I’d like Rey Palpatine if Sheev himself was completely absent, because it’d just feel pointless to have a connection.

My only other complaint for the entire movie was the Reylo kiss at the end. I’ve never understood why anybody would support a happy ending or any kind of romance between the two characters, as all we’ve been told by the last two movies is that Ben is a psychopath who slaughtered innocent Jedi students, keeps his victims’ ashes in his interrogation chamber, who lashes out at any sort of bad news and breaks everything in sight, killed his father, emotionally manipulated Rey constantly just so she would be on his side, etc. I am completely down with his “redemption” in this movie and I loved the way they did it, but I find zero romantic chemistry between the two and it felt like a “we need our biggest male and female characters to kiss at the end because love” moment. Also I don’t remember Adam Driver talking at all once he arrived to help Rey. I was expecting some really emotional final words when he saved her and she realized he was dying, but they just kissed instead and he vanished immediately after.

Despite my long critical paragraphs, I truly did love and adore this movie. It personally felt like a love letter to Star Wars as a whole, and there’s not much more I can type without turning into a novel on everything I loved.

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#1289615
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Chronological Marvel (No Spiderman Spoilers, Yes Endgame Spoilers)
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SparkySywer said:

I’ve actually been looking for something like that, because I’m not a Marvel expert. Thanks!

I do plan on showing the dates. My friend actually told me about Fury’s Big Week, although he wasn’t super specific (sorry if you’re reading this) and so I opted to put it in the order it’s in. There’s some other statement by the people who worked on the MCU I read back in 2015 or something that unless otherwise noted, the movies take place the year they come out. Obviously you can’t take that too seriously, Iron Man 2 and Thor are supposed to take place close together in time, they both came out in 2010 and 2011, yet Iron Man 2 takes place 6 months after 2008’s Iron Man 1. However, I tried following that rule where it made sense.

Me and my friends actually skipped Incredible Hulk while rewatching it, so I haven’t put it in yet.

Not a problem! I think I placed Incredible Hulk there in my brain subconsciously, my bad. There’s a YouTube channel called “Geekritique” that also does a lot of videos on the MCU timeline, and in his Iron Man 2 video he mentions that 6 months later refers to 6 months after that opening scene that doesn’t necessarily have any confirmed time placement (I could be wrong as I don’t really remember the beginning of Iron Man 2. But Thor is definitely in 2011 based on Fury’s line in Avengers about him arriving the year before, and Avengers is double confirmed in 2012 through Endgame. For the most part, the movies taking place when they release is true unless stated otherwise like Black Panther, Homecoming, and Guardians 2 for example.

Quick question: Marvel Studios has put out these very short news videos on YouTube called “WHIH Newsfront” featuring reports within MCU about characters such as Scott Lang in prison and other events happening within the universe. Would you consider putting these in your chronological edit as a sort of buffer between the movies? There’s also a few one-shots found on some DVDs and probably online like one with Coulson on the way to Thor’s hammer.

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#1289357
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Chronological Marvel (No Spiderman Spoilers, Yes Endgame Spoilers)
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If you want the chronology to be as accurate as possible, I suggest that you take a look at this detailed timeline that dozens of people have put together:

https://www.thecomicboard.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline-continued.14631/

All of the canonical tv shows are also in place on this timeline that you’ll have to ignore (unless you want a 500+ hour fan edit) since you’re just focusing on the movies.

I noticed you put Iron Man in 2010 and separated Iron Man 2, Thor, and The Incredible Hulk, whereas those three movies are usually put in the same week titled “Fury’s Big Week” according to other material. In the thread linked above, there’s also a spreadsheet put together detailing all the evidence people have scoured through; if I find it, I’ll be sure to link it here. Of course, this is mainly just me being OCD because I obsess over timelines and dates too much. The specifics porbably won’t matter to this fan edit unless you wanted to display the year on screen upon changing. I look forward to what you do!

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#1282943
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The <strong>Original Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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sade1212 said:

I feel like we’re likely to see Hayden or Ewan as a ghost in IX so I wanted that reflected in VI, but I dislike the creepy footage of Hayden that Lucas used for the Special Edition. My idea was that the two ghosts are elderly men in the first shot of the ghosts (just like the OOT) - they appear to Luke as he knew them. But then in the second shot, as they watch the rebels celebrate from afar, I felt it would be nice to see them as the young heroes of the Clone Wars they once were (especially if they do appear in TROS as I suspect). Based on Ewan and Alec’s voices being used in TFA, and Luke force projecting his younger self in TLJ, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to imagine force ghosts can appear however they wish to.

This is exactly how I’ve always wanted the ghost scene to be. My thoughts included a simple fade from Sebastian to Hayden after Luke turns away with Leia (to get the best of both worlds), but that Ewan actually doesn’t look god awful like most I’ve seen. Would love to see Ewan’s accomplished in motion.

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#1280776
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - (WIP) <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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I’ll also say this sequence was great! I think my pacing worries were mainly from staying up to comment at 3 am. I also agree with the no vignette decision to keep it consistent with the vision on Takodana, that hadn’t registered for me. My last praise will be of that night shot you added; it’s beautiful!

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#1280501
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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MalàStrana said:

This is sadly what is going to happen, only by judging from the look of TROS trailer: JJ is back… and so is his cheap looking style 😕

I agree that TFA does look the cheapest for some reason in comparison to Rogue One and Solo, but TLJ to me looks the most like a high budget fan film. Maybe I’m just really stupid but that’s how I feel when I watch it. The story choices really don’t bother, anger, or upset me, so at least I can say I’m not bias against the film to make that statement.

I would love to know which shots in TROS trailer look cheap to you, because I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing. The opening scene looks stunning to me, and I’m hoping we can get that lightsaber impact back that he gave us in TFA.

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#1280498
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Info: Vader vs. Kenobi Reimagined - A New Hope / &quot;Scene 38 Reimagined&quot; – Released
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bromeo said:

Yeah, this was a cool piece of work and everything… but the comments section is just too much as always.

“Wow… this reignited my love for Star Wars!”
“OMG, this is better than everything Disney does!”
“They should make a new Special Edition just to add this!”

The colossal amount of stupidity, argh… it’s making my face hurt, please make it stop!

This. If Disney were to do anything like this then fans would hate it for sacrilege. But when fans* do it, it’s an inspiration and deserves to be made canon, and of course it’s 3000x better than all of Disney’s stuff combined. I love this re imagining as well, but people need to calm down. My only real critique for this is for them to cover new Ben’s face with the hood more and not rely on tracking Alec’s face on top.

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#1280345
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The Force Awakens: The Starlight Project - (WIP) <strong>WORKPRINT RELEASED</strong>
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RogueLeader said:

I wonder if there are some effects you could add to the “dream shots” that wouldn’t be over the top. Throwing out ideas, what if you played with the stuttering frame effect of the Dagobah cave, or the wispy vignette of Anakin’s ROTS dreams?

You beat me to it. I was also gonna highly suggest, recommend, whatever adding the wispy dream vignette from ROTS.

https://youtu.be/7Mvzb5gHANA

This edit also adds the echo to the VO, and while there isn’t VO in that dream sequence edit, maybe changing the Jedi Steps track to a slightly softer (or slower) dream-like variation of the track? After watching these final scene clips I feel like the momentum is at an increasing montage-like level where there’s not too much of a breather once they blow up Starkiller and are back on D’Qar? That’s just me assuming from what’s been posted here after silently watching, and I don’t really know if softer music would make any difference.