I’ll also say this sequence was great! I think my pacing worries were mainly from staying up to comment at 3 am. I also agree with the no vignette decision to keep it consistent with the vision on Takodana, that hadn’t registered for me. My last praise will be of that night shot you added; it’s beautiful!
This is sadly what is going to happen, only by judging from the look of TROS trailer: JJ is back… and so is his cheap looking style 😕
I agree that TFA does look the cheapest for some reason in comparison to Rogue One and Solo, but TLJ to me looks the most like a high budget fan film. Maybe I’m just really stupid but that’s how I feel when I watch it. The story choices really don’t bother, anger, or upset me, so at least I can say I’m not bias against the film to make that statement.
I would love to know which shots in TROS trailer look cheap to you, because I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing. The opening scene looks stunning to me, and I’m hoping we can get that lightsaber impact back that he gave us in TFA.
Yeah, this was a cool piece of work and everything… but the comments section is just too much as always.
“Wow… this reignited my love for Star Wars!”
“OMG, this is better than everything Disney does!”
“They should make a new Special Edition just to add this!”The colossal amount of stupidity, argh… it’s making my face hurt, please make it stop!
This. If Disney were to do anything like this then fans would hate it for sacrilege. But when fans* do it, it’s an inspiration and deserves to be made canon, and of course it’s 3000x better than all of Disney’s stuff combined. I love this re imagining as well, but people need to calm down. My only real critique for this is for them to cover new Ben’s face with the hood more and not rely on tracking Alec’s face on top.
I wonder if there are some effects you could add to the “dream shots” that wouldn’t be over the top. Throwing out ideas, what if you played with the stuttering frame effect of the Dagobah cave, or the wispy vignette of Anakin’s ROTS dreams?
You beat me to it. I was also gonna highly suggest, recommend, whatever adding the wispy dream vignette from ROTS.
This edit also adds the echo to the VO, and while there isn’t VO in that dream sequence edit, maybe changing the Jedi Steps track to a slightly softer (or slower) dream-like variation of the track? After watching these final scene clips I feel like the momentum is at an increasing montage-like level where there’s not too much of a breather once they blow up Starkiller and are back on D’Qar? That’s just me assuming from what’s been posted here after silently watching, and I don’t really know if softer music would make any difference.
C’mon even if you hate TLJ, that’s beautifully made.
The cinematography is actually my one of my main issues with the movie (with the exception of that shot maybe). That might sound really dumb compared to the problems everybody else has with it, but whatever. Not to turn this into a hate TLJ thread, but I’m so glad JJ can return the look he gave TFA to TROS.
This is just a test. I like this music (it’s the track from the last Game of Thrones’ episode), but it’s too different from the classic JW style.
Anyway, I was just trying to have a different montage, showing the meeting Dooku/Palpy as a plot twist…
Oh so I wasn’t the only one putting this music in movies for a montage feel! Honestly, the I’ve wanted to put a lot of Game of Thrones soundtracks over edits and I agree with the different feel. Not so much the style, but the instruments used. If some composer out there were to translate this track to a John Williams feel that would be superb.
What does CW have to do with the ST?
What I meant was in TCW, Yoda goes to Dagobah and sees the events of ROTS. If that concept of putting Luke in ROTJ in the Dagobah cave again were to actually happen by some miracle editor, it could be an opportunity to put flashes of the ST to better tie them into the saga.
So it got me thinking - what if Luke revisits the cave on Dagobah in ROTJ? Could this be a place for a flashback, a foreboding prediction of later events in ROTJ or a teasing link to the ST? How could this work in context to PT or ST edits that might decide to cut or change events slightly?
I have had this in mind for as long as I remember. I’ve always thought it would’ve been cool to have Luke redo the cave, but this time without taking his weapons. It would make for a better sister revelation than Ben just sitting there explaining everything if Luke were to visually see something about that. It would also be a nice tie in for the ST, since Yoda saw bits of ROTS during TCW arc.
I just hope that if Rey has already built up the new jedi order again or if she finds some of Luke’s old students, that they show that they aren’t the same as the Jedi from before Order 66. My biggest question as to why Luke was bashing the Jedi was because he should’ve already fixed the problem. The Jedi clearly had a problem, and Luke clearly defied Yoda and Obi-Wan’s wishes by not conforming to their beliefs in ROTJ. Why would he bring back the jedi order, not change the teachings, then blame the Jedi for their ways after they’re all killed off again. That seems like a “no duh” situation.
I think that’s a big factor for why people think Ben Solo will be redeemed; so far we’re told that he was in the exact same situation as Anakin was. If Ben still turned despite Luke changing the jedi ways, then I feel there would be a significant drop in redemption believers. Not saying it’s a bad thing to think that, but that’s just how I see it.
To me balance in the force mans light and dark sides together. The concept of the force being out of balance seems to originate with TPM and the PT doesn’t really give enough for it to feel balanced after ROTJ. At that point all the good and bad of old have been wiped away and there is just Luke. But to really finish off the story as it was expanded in the PT, we really needed to see how it gets balanced and the current story seems to be headed that way. TLJ was filled with it and so was TFA. So even if the title of the episode isn’t Balance of the Force, I expect that to be a one line summary of the story.
One thing, don’t mean to come off rude, but the light side and dark side of the force do not equal balance. The dark side is a corruption that will always create imbalance. Balance is recognizing the dark side within all things, and accepting it’s existence, in order to fulfill self satisfaction, because there is no way anything can be ultimately good in nature. It’s not the same as actively using the light and dark side of the force. Yoda finds inner peace and enlightenment in The Clone Wars when he battles his inner demons to find acceptance (his final arch in Season 6). To morph the message into “the dark and light side of the force together is true balance” is like saying “kids, it’s okay to do drugs half of your time, because that’s the proper way of living.” (Because Star Wars is a story of children).
I’ve always wondered what force ghosts do with their time. Are they always waiting around until they’re needed? Do they hang out in an actual afterlife setting that we can’t see?
The only places we’ve physically seen force ghosts are Dagobah, Endor, and Ach-To. Two of those are planets with strong ties to the force. Yes, Ben appears to Luke on Hoth, but I think we can agree that it was taking him some effort to project himself since he was hazey. The only times we’ve only heard force ghosts were on the Death Star immediately after Ben vanished, and Takodana when Rey touched Anakin’s lightsaber. Again, it was Obi-Wan’s voice, although I’m pretty sure we can assume Rey had no clue anybody from beyond was talking to her. In TLJ novelization, Luke hears an unknown voice (likely Anakin) as he disappears.
In one of the Legends books (I forget the name) Leia sees Anakin’s force ghost, but again I forget where.
Other instances in The Clone Wars involved Qui-Gon on Mortis to Obi-Wan and Anakin, and the Jedi Temple to Yoda - where he physically interacted with Yoda by levitating him and his surroundings. Qui-Gon also speaks to Yoda right after Luke and Leia are born in a deleted scene.
If they only appear to people who know them in this canon, that makes more sense as to why they don’t solve every problem and something that people need to understand so they don’t go “why didn’t Obi-Wan and Yoda just destroy The Emperor and the 2nd Death Star?”
In one of the novels - “Certain Point of View” I think - I’m pretty sure there’s a chapter where Obi-Wan teaches Anakin how to be one with the force as he’s dying in front of Luke. Not that novels should explain things like this anyway. Even before the prequels, Anakin was the only one of the three that didn’t physically vanish right after death. I don’t really care about it contradicting points since he’s the chosen one anyway.
I think it would be fascinating to showcase more force ghost “rules” and whatnot. I mean Luke appears to be the only one that sees them in ROTJ. Maybe depending on the soul of the individual, Luke sees Anakin as a Jedi from his prime, but maybe if Leia were to see his force ghost it would be the Sebastian version? Perhaps the whole conflicted force ghost Anakin thing was about exploring that idea, and maybe Kylo kept seeing that for idolizing Vader?
If force ghost Anakin were to return, and I think he should 100% along with Obi-Wan, I think it’d be interesting and satisfying to most people if we look into that aspect of force ghosts and hopefully see Hayden AND Sebastian’s Anakin.
I’ve always been a fan of the prequels and thought George’s overall vision was divine. My only issue is the refusal to release the original versions of the OT on Blu Ray, but I totally get it with how he was treated. People need to put themselves in other people’s shoes. Why would George release something people want if all they do is say he defiled their childhoods, all because George wanted to revolutionize film making with a property he created? The same goes for now. Why would George come back to a property everybody practically forced him away from, because they claim the new films once again defiled their childhoods? If George is actually advising or anything for IX, then I think it would be beneficial, but I wouldn’t want him to because fans would probably still hate on his choices.
I actually never noticed it sounding that way in TFA until I saw TLJ. It just feels very empty to me when the first note hit and I’m not sure why they would go for a “warmer-type feel” especially when the coloring of the movie leans towards green - not a warm color. I hope they go back to the impact it traditionally has for IX.
Love the color correction! That was really my only problem with the movie, as well as L3. I was liking a droid character like that for a minute, but her voice is way too loud and irritating for me to empathize. I am a bit bummed about your removal of Maul, but more curious to see how Qi’ra leaving will flow in your edit. Looking forward to it!
I did a little analysis of the TLJ score album and counted how many minutes of old themes are on the album (so it’s not the entire score, but I assume the full score has a similar old/new ratio).
What I found was that there was less than 11 minutes of themes carried over from TFA, and just over 10 minutes of themes from the older movies. I didn’t count the title theme and the start of the end title music that are the same in all movies. That leaves over 1 hour of entirely new music, or about 74%. If the full score has a similar amount there might be about 1 hour and 45 minutes of new music.
I think that’s pretty impressive considering that the score should use old themes for characters and things from earlier movies. Personally I’m a big fan of the TLJ score and the balance between old and new music works for me. I’m very excited to hear the score for IX.
That’s actually really surprising to hear. I’ll have to watch TLJ again, because I could’ve sworn the old themes kept popping up every other time music was played. I’d also love to hear anybody’s thoughts on the main title score actually. The first note doesn’t feel as intense as the rest of the movies, but perhaps that’s more to do with a different orchestra playing than the first six? Or I’m a fool.
DominicCobb said:
The Falcon doesn’t technically have a theme. I suppose you might mean the Rebel fanfare? It’s become more associated with the Falcon overtime but has been used for other things as well.
Not necessarily the Rebel Fanfare. I know The Falcon itself doesn’t have a specific theme, but I meant anytime The Falcon is flying and iconic music plays such as TIE Fighter Attack or Asteroid Field. I always naturally associated those types of tracks with Han Solo growing up. His new theme is splendid though and I hope Chewie’s theme shows up in IX.
Only has a handful of plays in each movie, many of which didn’t make it into the soundtracks. Here’s a couple:
https://youtu.be/cHJrfB7VquM?t=77
https://youtu.be/1jGDKkxjo8s?t=65
That makes more sense! That’s one of my favorite new tracks that finds its way in the tracks and I completely forgot about it. Thank you!
Yeah on it’s own, TLJ’s score is still good to listen to like the others. Hope IX knocks it and TFA’s score out of the water though, and I think Powell should definitely do more Star Wars scores.
I had always attributed any of the Falcon’s theme as Han’s theme as well growing up, but I am glad he has his own personal theme now as well. What’s Poe’s theme outside of March of the Resistance though?
I totally forgot that Rose had her own theme until I read “Fathier chase” and that only baffles me even more. Why does Finn not get a theme? I understand that Poe’s is really just “March of the Resistance” but I don’t remember any theme for Finn, unless I’m missing it. I did love Rey’s theme but it plays so much in TLJ. The ending theme for Luke is what really confused me on the music, because it’s playing this inspiring, heroic “Luke is back” force theme, but go depressing RIGHT when Luke fades away. When I was in the theatre, I was smiling because I thought the shot of the suns, the music, and Luke smiling was trying to convey Luke rejoining the fight like in ANH, but it left me confused on the music choice. I thought his death track should’ve sounded a lot more depressing; I would love the twin suns coming full circle more.
Keeping an open mind is why I loved Solo (other than how dark most shots were). My main (likely only) concern for IX is John Williams’ score. I thought he did great in TFA, but I noticed a lot of repeating in TLJ that got me slightly annoyed by the music. I can’t think of a track in TLJ that originated there other than Luke walking out on Crait, but that was already used in the trailer, so I was already a little numb to it. But I’m down to discuss more once some IX stuff starts coming out.
I appreciate the thought out response, RogueLeader, and I’m thankful for the civility.
And yes, I would say I’m one of those who doesn’t want to go down the trope of “I can fix him/her” or anything like that. Thinking back on it, it’s more of a personal reason for not wanting it. For some reason I attract a lot of people that seek my help to “fix them,” and only end up using me to better themselves before moving on without a care in the world. Since Rey was already “used” by Kylo in TLJ (at least the way I remember/interpreted it, I’m working off of 2 hours of sleep), I feel like going back to the idea of them together in any way kinda tarnishes the moment where she shuts him off by closing the door. It would also take me out of it and make me start fantasizing about “what ifs” in my life, but that’s just my problem dealing with reality.
But I whole heartily agree with everything you said. Thanks again for showing some maturity unlike YouTube and others!
I don’t get why people bring up Vader’s redemption when saying Kylo should survive IX and be forgiven. Vader died in the end, even though he was redeemed. It would be really weird if he survived and showed up in the celebration scene of RotJ wearing white armor or something, with everyone being friends after a short apology like it’s an episode of My Little Pony.
Ben has to face some type of consequences or else it cheapens the impact of his previous actions. At the very least, even if he’s redeemed, he should exile himself like how Ulic Qel-Droma did.
100% agreed. I’ve seen good civil conversations on this site so far and hope nothing I say comes off as rude or condescending to anybody. Just my thoughts, so correct me if you feel. Firstly, I don’t even understand how the whole Reylo is a good message for the future generation. You can’t have Kylo violate Rey’s mind in front of the ashes of his victims, murder his own father, allow the destruction of entire planets, and have him be forgiven because love. It makes sense for Luke to want to redeem his father despite Vader’s actions, because Luke only ever cared about his father growing up. Rey barely knows Kylo and had to endure a lot of pain and suffering because of him, so she can’t fall in love with him no matter how sorry she feels for him after only one conversation in a hut, unless she’s severely damaged in the head.
If Anakin survived ROTJ, then he would face the consequences of his actions. He was only redeemed in Luke’s eyes and to the force itself by fulfilling his prophecy. Leia would certainly not forgive her father for years, probably decades. I feel like if they really wanted to shock the audience and have the story be satisfying to more people, then Leia should’ve been the one that was tempted to kill her son for becoming a new Vader, not Luke. This way, Leia learns something about forgiveness and maybe understands Anakin better, and the audience can finally see her deal with Vader being her father, since it’s almost like she doesn’t really care (other than in Bloodline by Claudia Grey).