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#1084895
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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NeverarGreat said:

I really like the filmic contrast, and most of the shots look wonderful in terms of color. There’s only one real issue for me, and that is in the blues. The holograms and Obi-wan’s saber have too little luminosity, leading to strange gradients with the surrounding colors. The Federation ship interior also takes on a strange blueish green tint. Here’s an example of a shot that doesn’t benefit from this grading in my opinion:
DarkSabers
It also seems like the reds are unnaturally dark.

Some shots look phenomenal though, such as this one:
Droideekas
The soft pinkish gray walls with blue panels really works.

That’s the main thing I’ve noticed too, going over it again. As I was trying to render a longer version of the first preview, my computer crashed, so I had to redo some work and the new color settings and decided to go back to the start of the movie and that’s thrown me off a little. If anyone can tell me their opinion what looks good and what doesn’t, I’d greatly appreciate that

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#1084775
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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I looked through some photos, watched the Z bootleg a few times, and I messed around with some color grading in Premiere Pro, and came up with this very short video. I’m using my TV as a monitor, so I’m not sure if this will look the same for everyone else as it does for me, and we still don’t have anything 100% to reference, but I did my best to do something that could make the blu ray look bett/ close to what we have, and I am really liking this for those outdoor shots. Let me know what you think.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-3yEI3sJQlBVEZrblhDM01heVU/view?usp=sharing

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#1083524
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

Obviously anything pre-2001. Isn’t the color timing pretty good in the official VHS? At least I remember it looking more appealing than the DVD. Then there’s the legendary “Z” bootleg that I even own on VHS. That one would definitely have the right color timing but the lighting of the movie theater messes everything up + the quality overall is pretty bad.

I don’t know how familiar you are with RU.08’s attempt at recreating the theatrical version but I’m going to link the thread here anyway: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/TPM-1080p-Theatrical-Preservation/id/17311
^ Really good information here!
Maybe you could find something useful regarding the colors…

I have downloaded the Z VCD from myspleen to use as a reference for the next run, and I created a quick album of shots from my Collectors VHS set for comparison to the other albums: http://imgur.com/a/ddnI9

Here is a quick comparison of the kk650 and 1080p for about 3 and a half minutes in: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/212747
You can see kk650 has a strong teal tint through the window, and Naboo looks very bright and soft (the white atmosphere is teal here), compared to 1080DVD.
The VHS to the 1080DVD: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/212749
The 1080DVD to the Z bootleg: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/212755

I also just won an auction for a 35mm Film Reel of TPM Trailer A, so hopefully this could help us!

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#1083421
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Hey guys, sorry for all the posts!
I’ve been doing some thinking, looking over the source videos, and reading your posts, trying to figure out what the next steps are. I’ve taken a liking to the 1080DVD for the most part, and I’ve heard that this is a good main source and starting point to use. But, I feel that the space scenes don’t look very good, lots of the starfield becomes a blue-white noise to my eyes, and I also feel like there’s still too much saturation/ pink tones throughout the 1080DVD. I’m leaning towards the color grading in kk650’s at the moment, it looks more natural and balanced, aside from the brightness/ contrast problems in a few shots that just couldn’t be fixed using the Blu Ray. Seeing as we don’t have any good scans yet of any film strips (aside from willarob’s 4K scan of a trailer, on which it looks like proper color correction or sharpening hasn’t been done) and we have publicity photos that aren’t consistent with each other, what do you guys think we should use as a color reference for now?

Here’s some links for albums contains shots from the kk650 and 1080DVD for comparison.
https://imgur.com/gallery/lGpcC
https://imgur.com/gallery/1JF3x

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#1083417
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Wazzles said:

LHSmarchingredcoat said:

Also of note, the Battlefront II Theed gameplay debuted this week, and noticed this little detail
https://imgur.com/gallery/Xln7c
It appears that (for this pre-alpha at least) the digital assets from TPM were used for the Theed palace, assets that DO NOT include the bridge added in to the “canon” Blu Ray and DVD. wondering if the team working on BFII either overlooked this for the alpha, or if it’s an intentional detail, seeing as how nuanced and attentive they’ve been with the rest of the map.

I thought most of these were model shots?

I’d have to go back and watch the behind the scenes stuff again, from the Blu Ray and DVD, but I do know some scenery were sculpted scale models, then scanned and turned into computer models, so based on what the developers said during IGN’s livestream of BFII, the DICE team had access to those digital scans. I’m lead to assume that those digital models from the movies that are being used in game right now doesn’t include that pesky bridge on the right of the palace. This is either an overlooked detail they didn’t notice or didn’t worry about since it is pre-alpha, a lack of access to the digital model that includes the bridge (if that exists), or the bridge is something they intentionally left out, considering how detailed everything else is and how they obviously did their research to get the look and feel and details right. I got super curious so I sent a tweet to Associate Design Director Dennis Brännvall about it.

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#1083355
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Also of note, the Battlefront II Theed gameplay debuted this week, and noticed this little detail
https://imgur.com/gallery/Xln7c
It appears that (for this pre-alpha at least) the digital assets from TPM were used for the Theed palace, assets that DO NOT include the bridge added in to the “canon” Blu Ray and DVD. wondering if the team working on BFII either overlooked this for the alpha, or if it’s an intentional detail, seeing as how nuanced and attentive they’ve been with the rest of the map.

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#1083337
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

Is the Podrace announcer mistake (hand goes through their vest) intact in the theatrical cut of the Podrace?

I also vaguely remember a mistake in the Naboo swamp. It had something to do with Jar Jar and it was fixed in the Blu-Ray version. Does anyone have any clue what that mistake could be?

This site has one interesting thing listed:
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=123195
"Padme’s eyes glimmer a little less in the Blu-Ray version."
Could that just be caused by the strong DNR added to the Blu-Ray?

I’ve been watching the theatrical Podrace over and over and I am just not seeing that specific shot to begin with, so I’m wondering if that shot was added as part of the extended Podrace with that rendering mistake for the DVD, but fixed in the Blu Ray. I do know that the same type of rendering mistake when Qui-Gon grabs Jar Jar is still there on every release of TPM, including the Blu Ray.

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#1083229
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

LHSmarchingredcoat said:
I wonder if willarob or someone has the raw video files for this trailer

There actually is a person in the comment section here asking for the files and willarob sent that person a PM. Maybe you could also ask the same?
http://thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/post/2017/06/08/Star-Wars-The-Phantom-Menace-35mm-Trailer-in-4K

His forum post actually has a link for a 450-ish MB 4K video file of that trailer which I’m downloading now.
Also, here’s a crappy photo of my film strip from my Phantom Menace Collectors set. I’m not sure why all my photos don’t actually show in my posts, but if you right click and open the images in a new tab, I can still see them, so I hope you can!
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#1083083
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Hey y’all, sorry for the delay, been busy with summer finals and a Disney trip this weekend with the girlfriend. I’ve also been messaging a few ebay sellers of the Collector’s VHS to see if any of them have the film strips with any film frames for those shots we don’t have aside from Laserdiscs and Adywan’s version. I figured it’s better than nothing, even if it’s a stretch to piece these shots back together using only the strips.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Just letting you know, the Yoda council scenes don’t match up sadly. I tried the opposite, and couldn’t make it work.

How so? I’ll take a better look at those over the next week when I get back on this project.

Skippy The Jedi Droid said:

Hi!

I just wanted to share this very recently uploaded 4K scanned 35mm print of The Phantom Menace Trailer B:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnhqwRQf04A

Thanks to Q-branch and thestarwarstrilogy.com! I’ve been trying to find one for a while now because most of the trailers seem to have been sourced and upscaled from DVD if I’m not mistaken. That beautiful REAL film grain, contrast and warm colors make the CGI look so much better… as expected 😃
Now it’s even harder for me to watch any of the official releases of TPM.

How does this help the project? Well… I really don’t know… but at least it gets you in the right mood! 😛

I did put me back into the mindset to work on this! I wonder if willarob or someone has the raw video files for this trailer and if someone could try different color gradings, based on our filmstrips from the boxset, from the publicity photos, to see more or less what we may want to see in this. I also am going to start cropping a couple shots based on what footage we know is theatrically accurate, if anyone has a better idea of how those scenes should look.
I really appreciate the support y’all have given me, especially since this is my first project, so thank you 😃

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#1081222
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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pittrek said:

I just wanted to thank you for doing this. Even though I’m not a fan of the prequels, they also belong to the Star Wars universe and their theatrical versions deserve to be properly preserved. Just one question, sorry if you answered it and I missed it - will you “un-correct” all the shots which were “corrected” for the Blu-ray? From memory I remember some shots of the 2 headed monster during the podrace

My pleasure! 😃 I just figured every project has kinda of stopped in it’s tracks before it gets somewhere that we at least have some kind of watchable product, so I thought i’d take a shot at it. I have a huge soft spot in my heart for this movie, so I want to see this preserved just as much as the OT.
Yes, the theatrical Podrace from the DMC has that shot where his arm goes through their chest, that stuff will remain in. My next step is to recreate the Podrace using Blu Ray footage that’s reordered and synced to the Theatrical, but any shots only found in the Theatrical versions will use their respective best source.

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#1081135
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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I liked kk650’s regrading for the most part on TPM, and he adds a layer of grain that wasn’t terribly distracting to me. Right now though, I am considering just using the regular Blu Ray cut and getting a consensus from y’all on how best to color grade and grain that footage. Some of the color timing in the publicity shots I like more than what I’ve seen anywhere else, but I do want to make this look as close to the theatrical as i can, so if anyone knows what the best options are, that’d be helpful.

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#1081039
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The Phantom Menace HD Theatrical Reconstruction (rough draft uploaded) (a WIP)
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Howdy! My name is Ray, and the other day I was at a Goodwill and found the Collector’s Edition of The Phantom Menace on Widescreen VHS. The whole boxset, tape, book, filmstrip and all, in near mint condition. Paid 2$ for it. Going throught that box gave me quite the nostalgia trip, being that as a 19-year-old now, I loved the prequels as a kid. To me, everything was Star Wars, and all of it was amazing, none of the prequel-hating drama I had seen way too much of as I grew up. I began looking through the forums here to see if anyone had started a theatrical reconstruction of my childhood favorite, and saw that Adywan had done a DVD version, which looked really great, and saw on myspleen NSP had uploaded the DTS 5.1 theatrical soundtrack somewhere, so this became my starting point, what I would sync up to. Schorman13 was kind enough to send a copy of the Theatrical Podrace scene from the Digital Movie Collection, I tracked down an Standard Definition ORFeins German broadcast of the theatrical cut, Schorman’s 1080p HDTV capture from about 2009 I think?, and started throwing stuff together in Premiere Pro to see what would need to get done. So here, as my first project, I have completed a rough draft in 720p, which you can PM me for a link to as I upload this to MySpleen.

The main source of each shot is kk650’s RegradedV2 of the 2011 Phantom Menace Blu Ray, except the following:

  1. 27 seconds frame 21. STAR WARS, opening crawl, and the pan down shot have been taken from the HDTV (something I forgot to do for this first rough draft upload)
  2. At 7:10 frame 18 until the shot starting at 7:14 frame 14, the HDTV was used for the Force speed shots.
  3. At 7:18 frame 21, he Neimoidian viewscreen shot and the following “They’ve gone up the ventilation shaft!” shot are from the HDTV
  4. From 54:59 frame 20 until 1:07:19 frame 10, the entire Podrace scene has been taken from the Digital Movie Collection’s Theatrical Edit, courtesy of schorman13.
  5. At 01:19:14 frame 6, the shot of Qui-Gon’s “much more complicated” line and wipe transition to a shot of Palpatine’s quarters is taken from the ORF Broadcast.
  6. At 01:20:59 frame 19, this whole scene is replaced with the HDTV for puppet Yoda
  7. At 01:25:40 frame 17, Orn Free Ta’s human aides shot is back in using the Orf. However, there seems to be 3 frames missing from the end of that shot compared to Adys, so I slowed this shot a touch to compensate.
  8. At 01:26:16 frame 19, the sunset on Coruscant shot with Obi and Qui-Gon is taken from the HDTV
  9. At 01:26:30 frame 20, this whole sunset puppet Yoda scene is from HDTV
  10. At 01:29:47 frame 18, This nighttime Yoda scene is HDTV
  11. 01:33:26 frame 11 starts the hyperspace jump and the wipe to the Theed palace. These two shots use the ORF for now.
  12. 01:45:47, the shot in the Nemoidian battle station had a slight zoom, missing from the Blu Ray. I recreated this slight zoom in Premiere Pro using the Blu Ray
  13. 02:03:07 frame 11, puppet Yoda scene uses the HDTV
  14. 02:04:37 frame 6, puppet Yoda from HDTV is used.
  15. 02:05:46 frame 7, puppet Yoda from HDTV is used

Other shot length changes:
• After syncing the BR back up to Adywans reconstruction, it appears that the BluRay version of the necklace shot starting at 01:17:11 frame 23 has an extra frame compared to the soundtrack and Adywans version. That frame has been removed, syncing the BR back to Ady at 01:17:15 frame 08
• At 01:19:21 frame 1, we start having some shot length discrepancies due to a glitched frame in the ORF that I’m using, compared to Adywans for reference. The ORF broadcast is in sync until here, when it seems that 3 frames of the outside shot are removed, going to Ani and Jar Jar 3 frames before Ady does. For this shot, I cut it into two parts. The first part, from this timecode until Panakas arm comes into frame, is slowed down to match Adys timing. The second part, from 01:19:23 frame 10 to the next shot at 01:19:27 frame 17, is also slowed down at a different rate, to keep timing with Adys reference. After that, we are back in sync for a long stretch.
• At 01:41:16 frame 20, the Blu Ray shot of Sidious’s hologram runs 2 frames longer than Ady, so removing those synced us up

What I’d Like to do (from highest priority to lowest):
• Try to rotoscope puppet Yoda from the HDTV into the Blu Ray shots, but that will also need some color correction done.
• Rotoscope the bridgeless shot of Theed at night into the BR shot, also with color correction.
• Rotoscope Orn Free Ta’s aides into the Blu Ray shot,
• Burnt-in Subtitles
• Use the DMC Theatrical Podrace as a reference, then replace all possible shots with the Blu Ray.
• Redo theatrical cropping if possible
• Create a Blu Ray disc modeled after njvc’s Despecialized discs. This would require an isolated score, foreign language tracks of the Theatrical if anyone can find them, subtitles, and audio commentaries, such as Pablo Hidalgo’s SW.com or an edited Rifftrax, whatever we can find.

An idea had come up to me a while ago that could help. The Collector’s VHS comes with a strip of the theatrical film print, and perhaps someone has a strip that contains any frames of shots 5, 7, and 11, which are linked below. It’s a stretch to recover these entire shots, but if we have any frames, and can scan them, they’d be vital to getting closer to a theatrical reconstruction.
I’ve also found that a bonus feature on the Complete Saga Blu Rays include an HD version of the theatrical shot of Palpatine’s quarters, but it is quite shorter than the same shot on Adywans version.
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Here is the link to a gallery i’ve made with various photos showing the differences in color grading from publicity photos.
http://imgur.com/a/gzFFA
I feel like if there’s any color correction needing to be done to more footage, these could be helpful.

All work so far has been done in Premiere Pro CC 2015.4, and some work in After Effects CS6. If anyone can help me upscale a couple shots from SD to look better at all, that would be very appreciated! I look forward to getting your input and help on this!

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#1075107
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Rogue One: The Battle of Scarif fan edit (Released)
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frendon said:

eldusto84 said:

It’s May 4, and that means that Rogue One: The Battle of Scarif is now complete!

It’s just under 50 minutes long, making it a nice little companion piece to the original theatrical release. Alternatively, you could watch this right before A New Hope! Again, the main point of this edit is to focus on the epic battle sequence from Rogue One, while also adding elements to make it fit in more with the other Star Wars films. This means, among other things:

  • An opening text crawl, which summarizes the events of Rogue One leading up to the battle of Scarif.
  • Insertion of several music cues from John Williams. About 50-60% of the film’s score is now comprised of classic Star Wars cues.
  • Classic Star Wars sound effects added in certain places, along with a few old-school wipe transitions.
  • Other cuts and adjustments to scenes throughout the battle, either to fit the new music cues or to pace the film a bit differently. For example, there isn’t as much back-and-forth cutting between all the different characters anymore. This may have originally been to make the film seem more exciting, but it also made it difficult to follow the action at times.
  • The film ends exactly as it did in the original version, making it a perfect segue into A New Hope.

If you’re interested in checking it out, let me know 😃

Hi eldusto84, I would love to check this out!

I am also super interested in this project!!!

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#1059457
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Info: Theatrical AOTC Discussion Thread
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Ryan-SWI said:

I’ve seen a few pop-ups of 35mm AOTC here and there, usually for around that price.
I wouldn’t be much help actually preserving it as that’s not exactly in my skillset, but I too would be more than willing to donate towards buying a print if someone were willing to work on it.
How the film was released almost 15 years ago and the only theatrical version we have is a rubbish camrip is beyond me.

I second this. If i can get those two shots and the DTS tracks, I’ll edit this myself!

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#1054138
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set (Released)
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https://m.bonanza.com/listings/star-wars-trilogy-theatrical-blu-ray-6-disc-set/445741274?goog_pla=1&gpid=76984044061&keyword=&goog_pla=1&pos=1o1&ad_type=pla&gclid=Cj0KEQiAl4TGBRDhgvmikdHPsdABEiQAtBcc8JZKW2ednbgecqy-RaooZPynm4yfzeSOdmAtd5GOowwaAits8P8HAQ

Someone else is selling bootlegs of your set, not sure if this link has been posted about before.

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#1050226
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Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace original theatrical cut in HD, and Star Wars Empire and Jedi Respecialized '97. (* unfinished project *)
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^…^ said:

schorman13 said:
The crowd shot and the Sebulba shot are available in HD, thanks to the “Digital Movie Collection”.

They should be included in “The Podrace: Theatrical Edit”, right? Do you know if the deleted scenes are available in HD as well?

Some links that could be useful:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/TPM-1080p-Theatrical-Preservation/id/17311
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/THE-PHANTOM-MENACE-THEATRICAL-HD-Toppers-Version/id/17137/page/1
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-97SE-in-HD-using-super-resolution-and-more/id/17781

Upscaling laserdisc and/or DVB for the few missing shots is, until we have a 35mm scan, the only way to go - and the result is not bad at all - http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/195979 (don’t know if it’s possible to squeeze more details than this, from a laserdisc…)

Would anyone have the Digital Movie Collection extras?? I’m trying to use the HD Podrace theatrical cut for a project, but don’t want to spend $100 for one clip. Any help would be very appreciated!

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#1049292
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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harryhenry said:

I really liked the “2004 starwars.com” audio commentary in this version. Did Pablo make more of these commentaries for the rest of the films?

If anyone can find these commentaries for the prequels, please send me in the right direction. I’ve been needing them for a prequel blu ray set I’m working on.