Kurgan

So I guess you'd have to re-create the scene with new elements to do it properly right? So too much work in other words... though I figure it would be easier to modify the external model than the internet "1st person" pov.

vbangle said:

Galvatron said:

vbangle said:

This edit is finished. Done. Finito. Everybody understand? Adywan won't be taking suggestions from anybody....so please stop.

 

I wasn't making a suggestion. I understand the edit is finished. So please stop.

 

Wonderful. So you nit pick Adywan's edit , rather than let him work on his next edit....Good for you.

What are you, Ady's lawyer now... maybe his Secret Service Agent? ;)

Seriously, Adywan doesn't have to take anyone's suggestions if he doesn't want to. Heck, he doesn't even have to READ them. There's no call for you to shut people down because you think this will slow down ESB:R. It's not like he's some kind of soft flower that you have to coddle or he'll run screaming from the room and you won't get your precious edit.

Reality check, this is probably going to take TWO YEARS give or take, just like the last one did. Even if he spends a whole week doing nothing but reading people's suggestions on here, it's not going to make much difference in the long run when it comes to a release date. Or he could quit tomorrow and there'd be nothing anyone here could do about it (other than make their own project of course). Feedback on SW:R can only contribute to making ESB:R and ROTJ:R better, even if he never ever looks back at the first edit again. PLUS, if anyone ever wants to use his edit as a base for their own edits, this feedback becomes even more useful.

See? So it's all constructive, chill out.

vbangle said:

Kurgan said:

Btw, I was thinking... I hope you don't add any lense flares to this release (I hate 'em anyway, they just draw attention to the fact that this is a movie... they only make sense realistically if it's in a scene where the character is looking through glass or something), but if you do, what do you think about the suggestions people made about the proper anamorphic lense (the oval, rather than round effect)?

 

This edit is finished. Done. Finito. Everybody understand? Adywan won't be taking suggestions from anybody....lol

What? Surely you're joking...

My memory is a bit hazy on this one... are we talking the starfield spinning inside our outside the ship POV? Because if it's outside, maybe you could explain it as the "camera" getting jostled by the ship's hyperspace engine wash or something. ;)

Edit: Wow, nevermind... three people posted as I was composing this!

Btw, I was thinking... I hope you don't add any lense flares to this release (I hate 'em anyway, they just draw attention to the fact that this is a movie... they only make sense realistically if it's in a scene where the character is looking through glass or something), but if you do, what do you think about the suggestions people made about the proper anamorphic lense (the oval, rather than round effect)?

Does it actually spin in the GOUT? I don't seem to remember (but I'm at work now and don't have my "bonus disc" handy to check).

joshua77 said:

I think Winrar is up to 3.8, chech out www.rarsoft.com for the latest.

This was the first thing I have burned Dual-layer as well... I had heard Verbatim was the way to go but they were sold out at my local store, so I bought the Fujis... when that didn't work I had to search out Verbatims (and luckily found them on sale). So I ended up wasting the dough on the fuji spindle, much as you you'd be wasting the money you spent on the memorexes... but when you see this version of the flick in all its glory, I think you will agree it's worth it!

 

Oh I've seen it all right, and it's awesome! I have ONE (1) perfect copy of the DVD9 that doesn't stutter at the layer break and works in (at least some) stand alone DVD players. The trouble is, the DVD9's not consistently burning perfectly. Some would say that's because I didn't buy the perfect media, or because I'm burning it too fast. Maybe I need a horse shoe and lucky rabbit's foot by my computer next time. ;)

Seriously though, I was all set to do the winrar thing (which would require me to re-download the ISO since I had to delete it to save space after making the NRG image) but now I'm not going to bother with it.

Correction: I'll get daemon tools and try what you suggested adywan, thanks! But this means I need to re-download the ISO again (sigh)

PS: It looks like only 1 person is seeding the DVD9 ISO torrent now (and 10 leechers).

What's the latest version? I may not be up to date there in the winrar department...

I already purchased a spindle of Memorexes to start with, so I wasn't planning to buy a load more discs, but thanks for the info. Good for future reference... all my DVD5's are Sony brand and I never have any problems with those, but then DL seems to be a more finicky format.

This is really the only thing that would make me even attempt to use DL media, but it would be a lot less painful if they were more available (you can buy them at local stores in my area finally, but they're like twice as much as online).

Ditto.

I'd really like to have the theatrical version of Star Wars on DVD... and the closest that would be would be for now would be the Mono Mix synched up to the GOUT. Currently I can do that by playing the wave file audio boosted while the DVD running in PowerDVD with the sound levels low (so the mono thing drowns out the regular sound). Not an ideal setup for a stand alone player on a TV though.

Someday, I hope I'll be watching the X0 project, but until then...? Good luck guys!

Look out Chewie, behind you! ;)

;)

Nevermind, it started working again just now and I got it. Apparently RapidShare was just having a hiccup...

Still, it's pretty sad that NOBODY is seeding the PURIST Iso torrent (0 seeders).

Welcome, mighty Galvatron!

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vbangle said:
Dude,

Almost everything about your post is wrong.

Bad media.

"Coverting" to NRG image

Burning at "max" speed

and you think this made your copy "work"?

Then please, HELP ME, show me what to do!

However, I suspect you didn't understand me.

Bad media

Unlikely as the discs burned, and one of them plays the movie perfectly (it is simply not readable by certain cheap DVD players, BUT WORKS WITH OTHERS). All of them play on my PC, just that some of them have a problem at the layer change (not just a "momentary pause" as been suggested)

Are you saying Memorex is a bad brand? Then please show me which brand I "should have used".

If the media is "bad" shouldn't they not burn at all, or be completely unreadable... NOT playable but have stuttering hiccups and long pauses as the layer change (but otherwise be fine)?

"Coverting" to NRG image

Is there a reason you put "Converting" in quotation marks? I really did convert it. It actually worked better after doing so. NERO on its own wouldn't burn the ISO file. Many people actually suggested using Nero to burn. Why aren't you calling those people out as "wrong" here?

Burning at "max" speed

I already tried burning at 2.4x speed as was suggested so many times. Result: Layer change problem. Burning at the slow speed had NO NOTICEABLE EFFECT on the disc that was burned.

and you think this made your copy "work"?

Then you please explain to me how the ONLY disc I've gotten perfect was converted to a NRG file, burned at Max speed, on Memorex media with Nero.

The copy I burned with ImgBurn (after painstakingly following the instructions from adywan with PGCEdit, etc at slow speed turned out two coasters and a copy with the stuttering layer change problem as before.

My only problem now is that by following the "golden" method that worked once already (NRG+max speed) turned out a second disc that had the same old layer change.

Note:

I have NOT, tried to take the ISO image, "extract it" (nobody has really detailed how I'm supposed to properly do that I don't think) and then add in the layer break manually (which supposedly is a compatability liability anyway) and THEN burn with ImgBurn with the "fingers crossed" burn-at-low-speed thing. Is THAT the magical way to do it, or what?

Please tell me...

I find it funny that you think I did everything wrong, and yet it has so far WORKED 1 out of 2 times using the method I just said! Yet doing it the "right way" (any of the "right ways" that have been explained thus far) has never worked once.

Well, you could always take the "bluer" examples and standardize the color based on those, but whatever. As long as they're not gray or green or some other color.

The scene I like the best is the one where you see the long shot of the horizontal Executor and the blue TIEs flying past the screen on both sides.

I thought of another scene I had a problem with. I know you said the fixes were "temp" at this point but the one where you see the cave entrance and you added a few more Rebel soldiers next to that laser turret... I thought the guy standing there facing the camera to the right of the turret looked rather static. Isn't that the same exact pose he has later in the movie during the battle? I like the other guys, but maybe not the guy standing there.

Ady, here's an update from stardestroyer.net's forum:

"Galvatron" said:

When the cannon is oriented forward, it's actually facing downward from the POV of the gunner. So the "fork" that swivels it up and down is actually horizontal, not vertical.

"Kurgan" said:

Adywan actually tried to register here to respond to this thread, but the board software recognized his email as a "free account" (even though it wasn't, he says).

A friend of mine had the same problem a while back, but was able to register when I told Mike. [Mike Wong aka "Darth Wong", the webmaster of SD.net]

Here's how I got mine to work
(I didn't try to apply any fixes or extract anything... I had tried the whole complicated process for the plainfiles torrent before, but I just ended up with a major hiccup at the layer break and a freeze):

-Downloaded the ISO torrent

-Used Nero Image Recorder to convert to NRG format

-Burned with Nero5 to Memorex DVD+R DL (that I bought online)

It's interesting though. The first copy I burned played perfectly on my win2k pc (PowerDVD5), and when I tested it on a few players at my library most of them weren't even recognized (JVC and Toshiba, iirc). They'd say "bad disc" or "wrong disc" after trying to read it for awhile. One of the players was region free and it still couldn't read the media. However the disc played perfectly on a region free Pioneer player (that was also incidentally hooked up to a laserdisc player). I also tested it on an XP machine with one of those crappy bare bones versions of PowerDVD and it played fine. No pauses at the layer break for the ones that worked.

Now I burned a second copy, using the same media, same image, and it hiccups badly at the layer break, for about 10 seconds and then freezes. You have to manually navigate past or skip the scene to move on. Really weird. And there were no errors when it converted and when it burned.

I have some friends I want to show this to, but unfortunately they have cheap players, so it might not work. I know in the past I've burned movies to show them and sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, even though I always use the same media. My sister has a laptop that sometimes isn't able to read commercial DVDs, even though she has the same PowerDVD software. I don't get it.

Is Dual Layer media just harder for players to recognize than DVD5's?

PS: The first "plainfiles" DVD9 I burned I did at 2.4x speed as someone recommended. Didn't make any difference. The others I burned (the one that was perfect and the one that wasn't) I burned at "max" speed.

I can post again! Yes!

Well, I'm using a totally different computer and Operating System at the moment, so I guess it was something on my end that was messed up (or else the forums just now decided to cooperate).

I'm overjoyed that the TIEs are going to be blue in ESBR/ROTJR... having all colorless Imperial vehicles would just be so boring and bland.

Thanks for seeing the wisdom in that. Now the question is just HOW BLUE they will be. I figure if they are as blue as they were in theaters in '80/'83 that's good enough for me.

Good luck!

What... my account is working? [lil ani] Yipee! [/lil' ani]

Anyway, I would like to be able one day to have a Star Wars DVD running and be able to just go into the menu and select "watch with deleted scenes inserted" option.

It'd just be cool to me to be able to sit and watch the movie and when it came to a point in the movie where the Deleted Scene would have occured (according to the screenplay) it would automatically play it. I don't care if it's "jarring" or the quality is bad... I just want to watch it that way.

Some people have suggested that I create my own Star Wars fan edit just for that purpose, but I'm lazy. It's just too much work for me to do it. I figure someone who is already doing a fan edit would have no problem making a branching version. It'd be like what they did with the X-Men dvd... you could watch it with or without the deleted scenes, even though the deleted scenes had unfinished SFX and were of poorer quality than the rest of the film. Heck, people did the same thing for the Episode III deleted scenes (the SFX in that "death of Shaak Ti/fuel tanks" scene looked like crap! there were visible green screens and safety wires too).

Restoring an entire 2 hour film obviously is a ton of work. These deleted scenes amount to just a few minutes in total. Even though they look really bad, I'm sure it'd be easier to restore them than to restore an entire movie. Somebody could even colorize the alternate cantina footage if they wanted to. That'd be sweet!

I realize this is a series that’s been done many many times, but I have yet to see an actual fan preservation on DVD that isn’t being sold by a fan (cough, cough).

There were 22, 20 min episodes, and three training videos totally about 15 additional minutes (iirc), plus a few music videos, a gag reel and an interview with the main show and training videos being interactive with the toys. I own several of the VHS tapes at home and I’ve tried converting some of them to DVD, but it’s a long process, and several of them were never officially released on tape, so one would have to rely on copies dubbed off TV from back in the day (or re-runs off Sky One or something).

I’m curious what other people think of this and what versions you’ve seen out there that might be worth looking at.

Has everything with this series that can be done been done?