Kurgan

I tried watching the Jabba 3D scene on a small screen (12 inch) CRT and it didn't even look 3D, just oversaturated a bit. On my LCD monitor it looks green/red.

I don't have the glasses, but I guess I could get to Wal-Mart and try a pair of free glasses. I was wondering how hard it would be to make the whole movie 3D?

But the effect might need some work.

Well, sadly, after looking up what the glasses look like on google image search, I'm concluding that the "free Hanna Montana 3d glasses" are polarized lenses (in black plastic "Harry Caray" style frames), not the familiar red & blue that would let you view the Jabba images.

Random kids wearing them:

Vs:

Try here instead: http://www.rainbowsymphonystore.com/3dglasses.html

or here: http://www.studio3d.com/pages2/store_glasses.html

I once though it would be easier to just make my own, but it seems like obtaining the right colors of cellophane and cardboard (or cheap sunglasses and plastic) is just as much bother to obtain as the glasses themselves.

GoodMusician said:

I never liked Ben Burtt...

 

Lets leave it at that lol

 

As for the Jacket... As I said earlier in this thread... what something looks like in reality, is NOT what it looks like on film. Clothing, walls, paint, everything looks different after being filmed due to lighting and other affects.

 

You ahve to take that into account and kinda accept it as a form of... stylized reality...

 

What may look blue to one camera is brown to another and so on and so fourth...

I couldn't agree more. And the filmmakers do this on purpose. Look at City of Lost Children for example... the weird makeup everyone wore, and then the colors were done in such a way that it didn't look out of place, but it gave everyone a certain stylized look. I didn't even realize it until I listened to the commentary. Key thing to remember.

I also agree about the paint jobs on the Slave-I. There's simply no need to tinker with stuff to make it "match the prequels" as if such a thing is necessary. If we're going to do that, the Prequels should change to match the originals (like fixing the wrongly shaped Death Star and Tantive IV in Episode III). But really, I think differences in style and tone and visuals from the PT to the OT is a GOOD thing. Why would we want everything to look and sound the same? It's twenty frickin' years later. Stuff changes, even if it's not a leap forward in technology. Look at cars and military craft from the 80's vs. today. Heck, look at how the styles change within the prequel trilogy itself. You can't "correct" that, since it's now part of continuity. Same with the sounds, styles, colors, etc. I think a few folks are overthinking ESB:R. It's been said before... ESB is the movie that really "needs" the least. We shouldn't pile on the changes for Ady to make just because they can be made. This doesn't have to be as extensive an edit. What needs to be fixed first and foremost is the poor color restoration job done in 2004, and second: correcting the excesses of the Special Editions. Third: fixing continuity gaffes ("gaffes" within the same film, not with the prequel trilogy) and bad SFX glitches.

My plea is that we don't go all "fanboy" on this one, it just doesn't need to happen, or it'll end up as bad as Lucas' SE's...

From the sound of it, it's going to take 2 years just for Ady to do the color and sound fixes. He's got plenty of work ahead of him if he's going to do ROTJ:R and the Prequels after that, without throwing in more unnecessary changes.

As far as the Wampa is concerned, I'd love to see the 1997 Wampa look more like the original 1980 Wampa (though I realize his scenes are getting trimmed). Whatever.

Excellent call that was made above about the colors of Boba matching HIS Slave-I and Jango's colors matching HIS. This stuff about modulating Boba's voice to sound more like Jangos... no, just no. And adding a filter to the 2004 lines just makes him sound like a Clone trooper, not as the "best bounty hunter in the galaxy" (thanks SWHS), an evil badass, should sound like!

Akwat Kbrana said:

I don't recall whether or not it's been brought up in this thread, but I didn't see it in the suggestion terminal...

In the 2004 release, they changed Slave I's engine sound the match AOTC. Problem is, it sounds remarkably stupid, especially compared with the original jet sound. Could the original effect be restored, please?

I'll second that. I always hated the "Motorboat" sound of the Slave-I in the 2004/Episode II editions...

Please restore the old sound and please, for the love of all that's holy, don't change the Slave-I's paint job in ESB!

But these are junk shops and garbage piles we're talking about. This scene makes it look like everything onscreen is seconds away from the fire. Why would it take them that long to melt the battle droids from 20 years ago? Heck, I bet that whole facility was built AFTER the Clone Wars...

The one added to the sandcrawler scene was enough. Subtle. Lucas has lost all sense of subtlty, there's no need to copy him in all his mistakes! These are recycled props... so there's no need to turn that into IG-88, and make Zuckuss sitting there smoking a cigar and reading the Bespin Times.

Personally I saw enough Battle droids in the prequels. Why do I need to spend the rest of the OT seeing them lying around?

Is Adywan the next George Lucas that he needs a "trademark" to drop into every fan edit like the overused THX-1138 or "I have a bad feeling about this"?

*tears* Leave Britney... I mean... the Battle Droids, ALONE! PLEASE!

So did someone say Ian says "Luke" on that John Williams special or something?

You only need to "Mount an image" if you're going to apply the "VIDEO_TS_fixed.rar" files to the ISO to burn with ImageBurn (that's for the DVD9 ONLY).

Daemon Tools is an easy program to use. You install it, run it, and then right click on the icon and it has the option to "mount" an image. You choose the ISO file and it turns it into a "virtual" (fake) dvd drive, as if there's a disc in there, but there isn't. Then you go to that fake "drive" and copy and paste the files onto your hard drive. Unrar the "fixed" files, and drag them into the same directory so they replace any files there. Then you burn it with Nero like you would any other DVD-Video.

But the Purist Edition needs none of that, you just double click on the rar file (winrar is installed so it'll automatically work) and extract the ISO from it. Then you fire up Nero and open the ISO and it's ready to "burn" (click the burn button, with your Dual Layer media in the proper drive of course).

He put one of the Biggs scenes in the "Deleted Scenes" section of the DVD9, and it looks like it's had some processing done (Ady can confirm precisely what), but it still is basically "unrestored."

Are you guys talking about the focus on the foreground then sharp focus on the background (while the foreground blurs) as the "rack effect"?

Because we see that in the scene where C3PO looks over (during the saber duel) and says "c'mon Artoo, we're going").

The Purist Edition is DVD5 only.

It has no menus or extras. I don't think it even has any alternate audio tracks, and it may not even have optional subtitles
(just the usual burn-in's for Greedo).

Changes from the full version:
- Changed 3PO's line back to "There'll be no excape for the princess this time"
- Re-edited Obi-Wan's Hut scene back to its original version
- Removed the extended Death Star reveal
- Removed the extended TIE Fighter reveal
- Removed all music not originally found in the film


Specifications
Format DVD-Video
Size Single Layer DVD-5
Video Format NTSC
Display Aspect Ratio 16:9
Presentation Aspect Ratio 2.35:1
Audio Track 1 - Type Main
Audio Track 1 - Channels 5.1
Audio Track 1 - Format AC3
Audio Track 1 - Language English

Good thanks for clearing up this mystery!

Well, all my burns have been perfect thus far (since using the ISO with fix in Nero). They play on the various cheap players that wouldn't before (JVC, Toshiba) and the Pioneer. There is a tiny, split second pause noticeable if you look really really hard after "terminate her immediately." Great place for it too since Tarkin is just standing there looking stern anyway. ;)

Burning them at 8X speed didn't seem to make a difference, and I'm using Memorex.

On a small screen CRT (12 in) I can't even tell the difference in visual quality between the Purist and the DVD9... anyway, they both look great!

The Golden Idol said:

Ziz said:

Oh, right...never mind. Either way, with all RS downloads, every file is the same size except the last one which is usually smaller. If you've got one in the middle that's a different size, it's a bad download. Delete it and try again.

 

OK, I've deleted part 38 now.

However, I cannot re-download part 38 or download part 39 because RS is still insisting that my IP address is downloading a file at the moment. Could it be a temporary glitch on the Rapidshare site or does it have to do with my computer in particular?

Has this happened to anyone before?

I had a similar problem. It was telling me to "wait 100 minutes" for something like eight hours, then it finally said "wait 1 minute" and let me finish.

The signing off thing would only help if you have a dynamic IP address, I think that's what he's getting at. If your IP changes, the site might be "fooled" and think you're a new person, bypassing the glitch that thinks you're still downloading and need to wait your turn.

The best solution is to take a flash drive to a public computing lab and skip the waiting/one-file-at-a-time BS of RS. Or you could send them money, but that kind seems like a waste for just one fan edit.

RS just decides to be stupid for awhile and eventually fixes itself.

Well I've had three more successful burns of the DVD9 from the "fixed" (magic-placebo-goggles-do-nothing-edition) ISO. They all work flawlessly on my PC.

Let's see if they still go to skip city on the other computers/players I test (again, sadly I have only four cheap players to test on and three computer setups) this afternoon...

Short of shelling out for another spindle of DL's and waiting a week for delivery, this is the best I'm going to get here I think.

Remember folks, the "Rule of 2" didn't exist until Episode I was written. Who is to say it's still in effect now 24 years after the Jedi were destroyed and the Sith have taken power to "rule the galaxy"? There's no need for the rule anymore. When Palpatine is saying he would be a great asset he's not implying he's going to replace Vader or himself... he's saying there will be three! If you want to get even more nerdy, in the Expanded Universe both Palpatine and Vader had dark side apprentices during the OT era. This "well you have to constantly be trying to kill your master to advance in rank" thing is pure BS.

The original intention of the scene has always been that the Emperor is scared of Luke's increasing power, he wants Luke dead. Vader knows very well he has a son and wants that son for himself. So he persuades the Emperor to let him turn him to the dark side, to keep Luke alive. Vader's secret plan to use Luke might be a ruse, or it might be Vader's own ambition. Let's for once see the Emperor not totally in control, manipulating everything with plans within plans within plans (like in the Prequel trilogy). ESB is not the Emperor's movie, it's Vader's. Let him have his moment and be in control, even while this shadowy boss is now being mentioned.

Yes, by ROTJ, Palpatine wants Vader turned and the relationship is starting to get ambigious, but not because Palpatine wanted Vader dead all along. He doesn't possibly suspect anything until "I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear." I frankly think the idea that these men have been working together for 24 years with loaded guns pressed to each other's heads the whole time is just stupid. Why can't bad guys be loyal and then later events start to shift those loyalties? I don't think it's a problem to have the Emperor one step behind Vader until the very very end. He's not infallible.

Palpatine trying to replace Vader later on in ROTJ is just a spur of the moment thing. Vader has been beaten and he's so enthralled with Luke's demonstration of power, that he just wants him to take the next step (killing a downed foe in a fit of rage, and obeying the Emperor's command would push him over the edge and into the Emperor's control as a dark side minion). It's not because "its the Sith way to try to destroy ourselves constantly." So people take it too far. There's no real need for a contradiction. Just say the rule of 2 served its purpose and now it's over with. Remember, even in the Episode I novelization where all this new backstory is created for the Sith, the original Sith had thousands of members, and that was when they were fighting the Jedi (there's no Jedi to oppose them now, and no infighting). It's just that good force talent is hard to find these days...

As for Palpatine's "180 degree turn" in this thought... in the 1980 performance it is much more believable because when he says "yes... yes" it sounds like he's really thinking about it and liking the idea more and more. In the 2004 edition the way he says it is just like he's like "okay, whatever..." almost like Vader has hyponotized him for a second there or something. Not much that can be done with his voice though I don't think.

The "interrupting clip" while a neat idea, I think again just diminishes the scene. The lines were so good to begin with, to have any of this sort of thing is just off. The Emperor's character has already been established. The only time he ever interrupts somebody is in Episode II where he finishes Padme's line for her. Clever, but I think it just further tarnishes the scene to try to do more with it than is already there. The only thing that really "needs" to be changed is to make the hologram actually look like the Emperor we all know and love (ROTJ) and sound like the actor who portrays him. Adywan was on the right track with his teaser. He just needs to do the side view and the rest of the (1980) lines. If he says "Luke" it's already better than the previous attempts at doing this scene with the original lines in Ian's voice.

My 2 cents.

darthatton said:

Nice clip, GM. I don't know if this has been suggested before, but why not use Ian's voice from the Musical Journey DVD? He says "Luke" quite a few times, if I can remember.

EDIT: Is it me, or is the Emperor's voice way too clear? To me, it seems like there should be at least some sound distortion in the hologram.

Nice catch about the word "Luke." Regarding messing with the hologram to make it lower quality (than the one Ady showed us in his teaser):

It's bad enough that he's getting poor reception (the whole point of moving out of the asteroid field was to get a "clear signal"), now it's got to be distorted too?

Listen I like the "bad tech" of the SW universe as much as the next person, but not every hologram needs to be equally crappy and the effects can be overdone.

Emperor: We have a new enemy... *crackle spark*

Vader: Pardon me, my master, but you're breaking up... (*plays with rabbit ears*) ah there we are

Emperor: As I was saying... we have a new enemy, Lu--

Vader: Oops, there it is again, hold on, I'll get it this time

Emperor: But I was coming in clear!

Vader: Stop moving! Now you're the wrong color (*fiddles with knobs*)

Emperor: The guy at Best Buy told me this thing would work perfectly!

Vader: Did you pay extra for the service plan?

Emperor: Yes, but...

Vader: Sigh. That means you have to send it back after they charge you a fee just to look at it, it's a scam, my master!

Emperor: Bloody hell! They will pay for this outr--*static*

Vader: Sorry, what was that? I think I've lost your signal. Ooh, look, I'm picking up "Celebrity Circus"!

===

Anyway, Lucas made a big mistake changing the dialog. It was perfect before... as "fun" as these tweaks are, I think it should stay as it was.

Vader saying "How is that possible" just stinks (second only to his lines in Episode III). At this point in the film we don't need him sounding weak and confused in front of the Emperor even if it is just "an act." It was just the right balance in 1980.

Thanks Ziz, I forgot it was already posted there. ;)

I am finally ready to burn the "real thing" at home. Sadly, I basically needed to clear out a few more gigs of space on my drive. I'm actually burning it from the mounted iso (a "virtual" disc drive), so hopefully that will work. Otherwise you need nearly 18 gigs free space (for both the image and the files once you've dragged and fixed them). I feel sorry for all the other newbies who are trying to get this thing burned properly!

torrent ISO, dameon tools, drag, apply fix, burn with Nero! I wish I'd learned that sooner... !

Getting the Purist edition from rapidshare was a pain, but having access to a computer lab sure made it go a lot faster! (since each computer has a unique IP address, meaning you don't have to wait, just go to rapidshare through a different pc!).

There's another edit out there that has the Ian dialog already looped into the 1980 lines... is it the Darth Editous/ADM Hybrid Edit? I can't remember.

doubleofive said:

Siliconmaster482 said:

Personally, I have no problem with the new lines. As much as people may pretend the prequels never happened, the added lines do support the assumption that Vader did not know what had happened to his child(ren). With the old lines, it appears he already knows Luke is his son. I mean, it's up to Ady, but IMO the newer ones are one of the SE changes I agree with.

 

The thing is, if Vader is running around the galaxy saying "The Rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them!" and the opening crawl saying how obsessed he is with finding young Skywalker, I'm pretty sure that unless he forgot his old last name, he knows that Luke is his son. In the original version, it could be interpreted that the Emperor is just upgrading Luke's threat level, while in the new one he's basically telling Vader that Luke exists, when it's obvious that Vader knows already

Yeah, and it makes the Emperor look like an idiot for thinking he's laying this bombshell on Vader after a full THREE YEARS have gone by since Yavin,

and then Vader's new lines in comparison with his earlier behavior make it look like he's totally playing the Emperor for a fool (rather than cleverly negotiating to keep Luke alive for his own purposes as in the original).

Keep the original dialog, all the way! It's too bad nobody has a recording of Ian McDiarmand saying the word "Luke." Too bad also his vocal performance wasn't as good as Clive's.

The system that gave me choppy video was:

Mac OS X (10.4.11)

1.83 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo

1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Actually, after running the video through Quicktime Pro a few times, it seemed to get smoother (buffering?).

ESB has always naturally had a lot of blue in it. All three films get more "blue" as they age (blacks become blue). But I'm all for not throwing in tons of gray into these edits (witness the "it looks like a black and white film with color pasted in a couple of places" comments on some of the ANH:R scenes).

The Executor is a unique ship, it's not just supposed to be a star destroyer blown up to incredible size. Forget what you've seen in the video games and comics... so it's fine for it to be darker and more blue than the other ships. If people think the Executor looks garish... think about it for a moment... this thing is supposed to be a badass ship. It is for COMMAND. It's the kind of ship that scares the living daylights out of the enemy, and it has the weapons to back itself up. With its complement of blue TIE fighters, it's one of the coolest things since the Death Star in the Empire's arsenal (long before all that wanked out garbage that the EU threw at us). It can afford to be as garish as it wants to be, dang it! Changing the Executor to gray isn't fixing one of Lucas' screwups, it's altering the original film for no good reason, to be frank... and it just leads to more blandness. Are we saying it's a good thing if the Empire is visually as bland as possible (moreso than even in the theatrical versions)?

Actually, can anyone confirm... are the TIEs all blue in ESB (1980) or only the ones associated with the Executor?

Yeah.... the "new moon" appeared in 1981... that makes the most sense. That's why none of the laserdiscs match the GOUT (they're all using the '81 version).

The SE reverted back to the '77 moon, just like they reverted back to some of the old '77 sound effects, and the '04, as it changed so very little, simply carried this over. Mystery solved!

The GOUT is "altered" in the sense that it's using a mixture of the theatrical soundtracks, rather than the original 3 for each film individually.

classicrock1169 said:

Yeah I downloaded the ISO from a.b.starwars but I don't think I downloaded the fix and my usenet account has already expired so I have no way to access it. I would be very grateful if somebody upped it to Rapidshare or MegaUpload. SO just

1.Mount the ISO

2.Drag all the files off of the mounted ISO

3.apply the fix

4.the Burn the VIDEO_TS Folder in nero.

Okay... that actually makes sense.

Is there any crazy voodoo I need to do when burning it? Do I need to crank the speed down to 2.4x?

Thank you so much... I may actually be able to make some copies tonight that actually WORK!

Jeyl said:

I have a question (and forgive me for bringing this up again). What is your final word on the spiraling Star Field when the Millennium Falcon goes into Hyperspace? I know you talked about consistency in visuals, but I personally believe that this instance doesn't need any visual tweaking for the sake of continuity. Everything in Star Wars whether it's blasters, lightsabers, space fighters, force effects or sound effects always have their own unique style compared to each other. It's kind of like why all the Hyperspace charging sound effects keep changing from movie to movie.

I know that the spiraling stars are not used in the prequel trilogy, but neither are the stretching stars from the cockpit point of view. And if you look at it from a technical stand point, the spiraling effect is used in 2/3 of the original trilogy! You could try and find a way to incorporate the stretching stars and spiraling star field into the prequels if you ever get around to them (I can think of a way to do the Naboo cruiser from Episode One going into hyperspace easily), kind of like with Jango's voice when he's wearing the helmet.

Believe me. The spiraling Star Field was not an accident that the crew just slapped on there, nor was it something that fans argued about or even disputed about. Heck, Lucas doesn't even have any issues with it! Isn't that a first? And as I've said before, the effect itself is even reproduced in a lot of Star Wars products like in Knights of the Old Republic! And like the movies, it's only reproduced if the circumstances are right. So why not leave it in? It doesn't hurt the story, disrupt the pace or bring up questions on how Hyperspace works. It's just a tiny little awesome element that works on it's own right that really does give it a bigger boost of energy that is not present in a static star field.

- Jeyl

I found the shot you're talking about and I agree the spinning starfield on takeoff looks better. I miss it now... :(

Looks great (though I still think the guy standing to our right of the Laser Turret looks way too static and similar to the later shot during the battle)!

However the file was pretty jerky on my mac at work here. Anyone else have that issue?

I won't miss the cat codes...!

Sniff... poor witto kwitties... :(