Knight of Kalee

I’d like a link too!

Yeah, pretty sure the clone-son thing was a retcon from someone at Lucasfilm who couldn’t stand the ick factor of Palps having biological offspring.

dgraham414 said:

I always understood the lore around Palps “son” to be that the bodies only deteriorated once his spirit went into them, since the bodies couldn’t contain that much force. With the son though, since he had no force connection Palps couldn’t enter him, so his body didn’t deteriorate

I guess this is the closest to canon yet. I always got the feeling that the reason Palp’s body was so deteriorated was because clone bodies cannot hold the Force potential of their host. This used to happen in Legends with the clones of Jorus C’Baoth and Luke becoming mad.

Sidious being a literal clone can be reasonably deduced from the movie and Hal’s edit reinforces that idea with the Palps bodies grown in vats. But there’s no indication that Rey’s father himself is a clone without looking into expanded material.

Don’t forget adding a musical number for the Coruscant club scene in AOTC and a praxis effect to the Droid Control Ship when it explodes.

WGTC is not very reliable regarding rumours and the note seems rather biased against Kennedy.

I think the main challenge would be correcting Ben’s lip-syncing to fit with the new lines.

Hal 9000 said:

And, of course, there will be room for a handful more "woo"s from you all. Send 'em to me!

Right now, the now much longer shot opens with, “We believe in you, Poe!” and “We’re here to help, Poe!” Halfway through there are a couple of, "For Skywalker"s, and then nothing for a few seconds.

You’ll get a sense of how it is whenever I can get audio sounding good!

How about sneaking in a “This is the way?” when those Mandalorian spaceships fly by?

Anyone know of any clips from The Clone Wars or Rebels or Resistance where several ships enter frame rapidly? Maybe could lift audio for the couple ‘squadrons’ of small ships at the end of the extended shot.

There’s the moment when the Rebel fleet first comes together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlymeSneKL4

I think Ben’s height is pretty accurate. Think the reason Ben’s scale feels off is because we’ve never really seen him standing besides Leia in the films, and he barely interacted with Luke onscreen. But the height difference is much more noticeable in the promotional events whenever Adam Driver appears next to Carrie or Mark; he really is that tall.

NFBism’s New Canon Cut of Revenge of the Sith was conceived to fit better with The Clone Wars, you could ask him for a link to the workprint.

StarkillerAG said:

I’ve been thinking about JakeRyan’s suggestion of rescoring the fleet moment. At first I thought it was unnecessary, but recently I’ve found that the music from Revenge of the Sith’s opening scene fits perfectly with the scene in my opinion. I know someone else did an edit along those lines, but this version starts off with the deleted opening of the track, which I think is an epic way to announce the arrival of the fleet.

Here’s an extremely rough edit of my suggestion. Of course, someone would need to mix the audio properly, but this is just an idea.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q4UUv5sq35qcFjMg-wrUoS2YzlbnGquU/view?usp=sharing

It’s interesting how the track length matches almost perfectly.

Now that I think about it, I would have lost it if I heard something like this at the theater, adding the preceding “war drums” from the beginning of ROTS playing over when Lando says “There are more of us…”. Or it just could be that I’m really fond of the Battle of Coruscant theme.

I really believe the best middle point between featuring a TIE fighter or a ship with hyperspace capabilities would be a TIE Advanced, like Vader’s in A New Hope. It’s recognizable and not that big of a strech as taking a regular TIE but renaming it TIE Scout.

I’m totally fine with the Imperial shuttle, though, and it makes sense in this film because the audience catches a glimpse of a wrecked shuttle in the Death Star scrap zone.

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Might as well post this here.

I like adding that theme to the scene, I feel like it should come in a little later, as Rey starts to notice that Kylo has no intention of saving the fleet. That way it can build faster and not feel repetitive. But I like that idea a lot.

Darthrush actually did something like that, when he tried to rescore the scene in his edit of TLJ:

https://vimeo.com/265136372

It also moves the big climax of the song to Holdo’s lightspeed kamikaze, which helps it fit much better.

Amazing. I had thought of an arrangement almost exactly like that one, and it worked pretty well. Now I’m convinced to keep the full track, it fits so well with Holdo making preparations for her manouver.

I also prefer having the music swell when Kylo offers his hand.

Hey there! Is it too soon to ask again? Or is the issue solved?

Adywan, are you going to redub this female A-Wing pilot that somehow got dubbed over by a dude?:
https://youtu.be/eh7nhTf_2m0?t=93

StarkillerAG said:

sade1212 said:

I don’t like the cloning idea because it just raises an inevitable question at the end of TROS: is he really dead? Surely he must have a plan Z - another load of clone bodies somewhere! Bleh. I know canonically his decrepit form in TROS is because the cloning was imperfect or whatever, but when I first saw the movie I just presumed he looked like a corpse because he literally was a corpse being Darth Sion’d back to “life”. The Frankenstein imagery of the big claw also compounded this. Luckily, TROS is a great movie for headcanon since most of the plot around Palpatine is exclusive to the novelisation, so I can continue to gleefully ignore whatever I don’t like until Filoni or Soule or someone redeems it.

I don’t think that question is much of a problem. His interactions with Rey and Kylo seem to show that there are no other clone bodies he can transfer to, and his only hope is getting another Force user to let him possess them. When Rey decides not to use her hatred to kill Palpatine, his last resort was eliminated, and he was basically doomed to permanent death.

Agreed. And I also like to think that, now with the direct intervention of the Force ghosts, Palpatine’s been destroyed on a spiritual level.

Yeah I dig the workprint as it currently stands. I’d really like if “The work of generations is complete” could fit somewhere to acknowledge the previous two trilogies, but I’m fine with how the current cut conveys the emotions of the characters, giving them a few seconds to make sense of what they’ve heard.

I know I’ve complained a bit about the nostalgic music themes being overused in the sequels, but this idea really resonated with me:

https://youtu.be/qVDXwkmgUXY?t=125

I like how that version of the Force theme now establishes a parallel between two Skywalkers being set free (Anakin freed from slavery and Tatooine, Ben freed from the dark side and his inner conflict).

Sounds like a nice idea to sneak in Palpatine guiding Kylo, though the actual lines maybe should be quieter, or disguised between some sound effects (like the “ForceTime” or Sith whispers) to convey the feeling this is Palpatine actually speaking to Kylo’s mind, rather than a voiceover. The “Do it!” could also be placed closer to the music swell to fit better with the emotional crescendo.

Nice job!

Omni said:

Huh, I never really saw it that way. I think it’s more on the terrifying side, since we’re following the POV of 3PO and R2. That scene always scared me to death as a kid - you know, being torture and all. But I can see the sentiment expressed above.

I think it’s the voice of the droid being tortured that makes it feel more like awkward black comedy than terrifying. Add the fact that it’s a Gonk droid, which is the most basic robot in existence and mostly known for its “gonk” sound effect, suddenly being self-aware and screaming with a squeaky voice.

The Star Wars main theme actually was developed as Luke’s theme and is used as such in the original trilogy.

Yeah I really wish the ST had a more consistent musical style. For example, I really liked the overall feel of the soundtrack in The Last Jedi. Despite overusing some old themes, the new compositions had a really interesting style that had a mixture of elements thrown in from the originals and the prequels. Yet no theme that debuted in TLJ was kept for the last movie. For the sake of comparison, both Empire and Attack of the Clones introduced at least one key musical theme (Imperial March, Yoda’s theme, Across the Stars).

The Anthem of Evil musically is an amalgamation of dark side themes (Palpatine, Kylo, etc.) and the melody is partially inspired by a theme that appears in Ep III that represents Palpatine’s instructions. I fully support it having a bigger presence in the film, and maybe across the trilogy. I’d love to see the later, swelling portion of the Anthem of Evil arrangement play over Palpatine revealing the Sith fleet.

JakeRyan, regarding your questions, there’s no theme for Lando as a character. The Battlefront game retconned the Cloud city theme as Lando’s theme but that’d be it. The Solo film had a music theme I thought was for Lando, but it turns out it’s meant for L3-37.

And the Ben/Rey theme I meant was this part: https://youtu.be/0_9o_70UQJw

I think Yoda’s theme for Luke levitating the X-wing is alright. The whole moment is already a shout-out to the Dagobah scene so the music just completes the nostalgia factor. Yoda’s theme over the victory celebration…that’s another beast entirely 😄

Good call on making this thread, Jake!

One thing that makes Star Wars soundtrack stand out is not only the use of leitmotives or musical themes, but also the fact these leitmotives are mostly consistent across the entire saga. Since even the briefest musical figures of John William’s score have a particular meaning, it’s something that for me is really important to consider when rescoring the films.

This catalogue of themes could be useful.

The sequel soundtracks are good on their own but they don’t have the same consistency the other two trilogies had. For example, none of the new themes introduced in The Last Jedi made it to Rise of Skywalker. There was also an overreliance in nostalgia, and many themes, like the Force theme ended up being overused.

I believe we should strategically reutilize some of the least-used themes to give them more importance across the trilogy. For example, establish a First Order motif. I mean, even the Separatists had a march of their own… And we also count with the benefit of hindsight to retcon some music connections, like Snoke and Palpatine, or Rey and Palpatine, etc.

Some ideas I have in mind.

• I really believe TROS should deliver on hinting at the main themes of the 9-movie saga, including OT and prequels.
• A couple of hours ago I posted this added score for the beginning of the battle of Exegol that reutilizes a Resistance motif frequently used in The Last Jedi: https://youtu.be/nkDUIIyLk4w
• Someone had suggested adding a cue of Rose’s theme to the conversation between Finn and Jannah.
• The Rey/Ben triumphant hybrid theme from TROS could be used in TLJ for the moment they touch hands.

Battle of Exegol Rescore

I’ve got a concept of added musical score for the beginning of the Battle of Exegol, reusing the “Resistance deployed” motif from the battles of D’Qar and Crait in The Last Jedi. (For comparison, the original scene features no music whatsoever after the cannons begin firing)

https://youtu.be/nkDUIIyLk4w

The music that plays right before the battle is already reutilized from an earlier scene in TROS, so I thought it wouldn’t feel unfitting to add another canned track (and for me it’s less jarring than adding a prequel or OT theme).

Yeah the Force theme is really overused in the last movie, and I’m pretty sure the version heard when the Sith temple crumbles is the same used for Luke’s death in TLJ.

Maybe some version of Rey’s theme (other than the theatrical) could accompany the Force spirits scene? Perhaps there’s a way to slow down the suite track of Rey’s theme (from TFA) without it sounding artificial?

Another solution (because Burning Homestead admittely sounds epic) could be changing the music that plays over the destruction of the Sith temple - as I said before, it’s already canned music from another movie.

By the way, I rewatched the teaser trailer of TROS a couple days ago and I noticed there´s a slightly extended shot of the group’s arrival on Kijimi. Have you considered using it? (Minor stuff, I know) Other interesting thing I found is that in what seems to be footage from the Battle of Exegol, the atmosphere of Exegol has an orange tonality.

And I support keeping Mustafar in!

Cinefy said:

I’d say it would fit better using the choirless version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnFpcf0Te4

Doesn’t work for tone of fight neither would a full duel of the fates, I’d like to see another small allusion to Battle of the heroes, same way of what was done with DOTF from Solo.

The disc / suite version of Battle of the Heroes features a subtler beginning and ending section that don’t appear in Episode III. Maybe those parts could feature somewhere.

Brewzter said:

Anakin Starkiller said:
Could you post a link to it? I think Battle of the Heroes would be more fitting to emphasize the water/lava parallel.

Battle of the Heroes is my favorite duel and soundtrack- I agree that it’s very fitting for both fights with the parallels. I’m a big fan of this edit:

https://youtu.be/dOpRpYSXfkU

The track actually lines up really well 😄

I’d say it would fit better using the choirless version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnFpcf0Te4