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#384345
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TRANSFORMERS: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE - (Released)
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I think it'll be a lot easier to work with ROTF than it was with the first movie since ROTF is a much better movie to begin with.  The first movie had so many bad and useless lines it just took forever to wade through and edit everything I felt was necessary.  I took notes while watching ROTF a few nights ago and there's a lot less than I thought there'd be to cut, though still plenty.

 

As far as that last scene you added a link to, I found it much simpler (and better) to cut straight from Sam telling Mikeala to watch the autobots to him searching his room.  Completely cut out his talk with his dad and Optimus' bumbling around the path.  You already cut the mojo bit and the "my bad." 

Of course I also kept in the masturbation joke since I had no issues with it and found it humorous.

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#384099
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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I finally got it on my computer last night and started on it tonight.  Spent about 30 minutes on it and got through the intro and the Shanghai battle.  Already cut 2.5 - 3 minutes.  The film starts much faster now without all of that useless voice over crap and primitive man bs.  It was slightly more complicated than I thought, but not too bad.

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#383515
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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Ripplin said:

Off-topic, but Kevinicus, I love your avatar. The new Challenger is a retro car done right! Makes the Charger look like more of a misshapen blob than it already is. (if you like the look of the new Charger, sorry, but that's just how I feel. Haha.) I see the Challengers on a regular basis. I've seen the orange, off-white and black ones. They make them a couple of hours south of where I live.

So anyway, I guess that's at least three Transformers 2 edits that are on the horizon, probably more. (and I know JasonN is only using small bits of 2 for his edit, innit?) Nice.

 

Yeah, I quite love it.  My wife took a pretty good picture didn't she?  

I considered a Camaro for awhile until I saw the Challenger in person at a car show.  Since then the Camaro has been kind of blah, and only gotten worse since.  Thought BB from ROTF is much better from the front than what you can get at the dealerships.

Only downside is making the payments.

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#383495
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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JasonN said:

Kevinicus said:

I would have started by now, but as it stands I need to purchase a AnyDVD HD license in order to get it on my computer.  I can't afford that right now so I'm waiting for another software to work (I have the Blu-Ray, if it was the DVD I'd have no problems). 


I have skimmed through the first 25 minutes or so and made mental notes of what to cut and how difficult it would be to work with.  So far it seems like I can make significant changes without having to work too hard, so that's good.

Use the latest release of DVDFab (or download the latest beta) and follow these steps:
1. turned off Pathplayer in Settings
2. turned off Preview in Settings
3. restarted DVDFab
4. inserted TF2 disc
5. chose "Main Movie" chapter 47
6. clicked 'Start'.

 

That'd work if I was using the DVD.

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#383481
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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I would have started by now, but as it stands I need to purchase a AnyDVD HD license in order to get it on my computer.  I can't afford that right now so I'm waiting for another software to work (I have the Blu-Ray, if it was the DVD I'd have no problems). 


I have skimmed through the first 25 minutes or so and made mental notes of what to cut and how difficult it would be to work with.  So far it seems like I can make significant changes without having to work too hard, so that's good.

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#382760
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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Kurgan said:

Kevinicus said:

Kurgan said:

Nobody wants to do it?

 

It's been a slow process thus far.  Though I may have it uploaded by tonight.

Awesome, where at?

 

I see TF2 is out on DVD today.

 

On Megaupload.  It was uploaded but got deleted by accident trying to move it into a folder.  It's almost uploaded again, a few more hours and it'll be done.  I think someone else will get it more readily available for others to view.  I still need to upload the HD version (movie only).

 

Already have the Blu-ray for ROTF, and will possibly start editing this evening.

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#379235
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Transformers: Reformatted (2007) - Blu-ray & DVD (Released)
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I started my edit when the DVD came out in 2007, but never did anything with it since I would be watching the HD-DVD/Blu-ray versions instead of any edit on DVD.  In early August of this year I purchased a new computer and added a Blu-Ray burner to it and set out to finish my edit of Transformers using the blu-ray.

I started out by basically copying all of the edits I had done earlier to the new version.  Then I set out to find more things to cut.  Reave’s Resparked version was mentioned to me and I looked it up and found his list of changes.  This was very helpful to me for coming up with some ideas and also forcing me to go back through the film and taking a more critical look at everything.  I looked at a lot more small details rather than looking for big chunks to cut out.  So Reave’s ideas were a great place for me to begin.  Some of his ideas I borrowed, some I ignored, some I expanded on, and others I took the concept and went in different directions with it.  Along the way I added a lot of my own changes to the film.  I wanted to cut out as much of what I thought failed in the movie while still maintaining it’s cohesiveness, and not having anything seem out of place, or to seem obvious that something was missed.  I wanted all of my cuts to be as close to seamless as possible and tried to be pretty strict on this.  If I had to keep something I didn’t really care for to keep the integrity, that’s what I did.

My first cut I had started with originally was probably only 4 minutes shorter than the original.  After going back through and looking at everything and taking Reave’s ideas into consideration I had it shortened by I think 9 or 10 minutes.  Then finally I figured out a better way to use the software I was using (Nero 9 - NeroVision 4) and how to manipulate the audio.  This opened up a new level of options for me, and after a lot of trial and error and testing and retesting I’ve finally produced a finished product (I’ve said this before, so I could be wrong and it may change in the future).  This finished version now runs right around 20 minutes shorter than the theatrical release.  I’m not 100% satisfied with it, but I’d say probably somewhere around 97%.  There are still some things I’d like to trim, but until I figure out a clean way to do it, I won’t.

I’m not sure I’ll make a list of everything I’ve changed, but I may someday.

I used the retail Blu-ray for the source.  I used NeroVision 4 with blu-ray plugin to do all of my editing and processing.  The final version does not have Dolby TrueHD, but does keep AC-3 5.1 audio.  I created menus on NeroVision using wallpapers available at tfw2005.com and music from the Revenge of the Fallen Score Soundtrack.

I’ve also made a DVD version with a basic 3D menu template available on Nerovision with no audio on the menus.

I’m not exactly sure of how to go about getting anybody to see this or anything.  I don’t have access anywhere to upload something of this size.  I suppose I can send it out via mail right now.  Either the DVD or Blu-ray, or just the video file itself.

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#376881
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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doubleofive said:
Kevinicus said:

Age appropriate for who?  As far as I'm concerned it's age appropriate for 0-120.  And I disagree about the plot hole part.   Pretty much all of the plot holes people have brought up are easily explained if one uses their noggin a bit.  But I do agree some of the humor is too corny or over the top, or just goes on too long.  And it does meander a bit the last hour or so.

Well, I for one felt VERY awkward in the first movie when they stop a scene to have a discussion on masturbation in front of my 9 and 14 year old brothers.  And the scenes in the second with the Deciptiwhore trying to seduce Shia would be the same, along with the random pot brownies.  I think both movies have several examples where "fun for the whole family" becomes awkward really fast.  Pixar seems to know how to make movies that appeal to both children and adults, and you don't see such a wide variety of senses of humor in it.

 

I guess I just don't see why that has to be awkward for anyone.  I have no problem with kids hearing "swear" words or sexual innuendo.  I see no point in babying kids, it does them no good.  But if it's not something you want to hear, oh well.

 

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#376608
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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Timstuff said:
Excelsior Prime said:

Please PLEASE tell me Reave is going to do a "Resparked" version of Revenge of the Fallen.

 

My beef with the "Resparked" version of Transformers is that it kind of stripped the human characters of a lot of their personality and character development, and it in general seemed to have a lot of contempt for the humor in the movie since so little of it was left in. I do not mind the fact that the Transformers movies are funny, I just think that most of the adult and bathroom humor in the movies shouldn't be there, and I think that Transformers 2 was about 30 minutes longer than it should have been (in addition to having more than a few plot holes, inconsistencies, an downright annoying moments). I know some people simply hated the human characters and Michael Bay's sense of humor altogether, so I suppose Resparked is more for them, but there are a lot of people (myself included) who overall liked the movie as-is, but were disappointed by the fact that Revenge of the Fallen was bloated, unfocused, and had a more sophomoric and inappropriate sense of humor.

I don't want a cut of Transformers 2 that's going to strip it of any personality-- I just want one that's shorter, coherently paced, more age appropriate (no humping, man thongs, robot scrotums, etc.), and has the presence of the twins reduced drastically. I've only seen the movie once so I'm sure there's more stuff I could nitpick through that I'd like to see changed, but overall I think a successful edit of the movie's goal should be to make it feel more in line with the 2007 movie, not to completely remove the humor and push the humans into the background.

 

Age appropriate for who?  As far as I'm concerned it's age appropriate for 0-120.  And I disagree about the plot hole part.   Pretty much all of the plot holes people have brought up are easily explained if one uses their noggin a bit.  But I do agree some of the humor is too corny or over the top, or just goes on too long.  And it does meander a bit the last hour or so. 

I agree in part with you criticism of Resparked.  There were some moments that I personally found humorous that were cut out in Resparked, and so I left them in my own edit of the film.  Humor is subjective, and is probably the biggest place people will differ in their opinions about what should be cut.  That said, there was plenty of human moments in the first film that needed to be cut significantly, mostly consisting of the computer analysts and military guys.  There are also a lot of lines that serve no purpose, provide nothing extra, or just repeat what was already said.  My edit I just completed cuts out approximately 20 minutes from the theatrical version, and I hope to get it to someone to see shortly.  I will be doing an edit of ROTF as well and will probably cut out more than 20 minutes from that as well, but that's primarily because it's a longer movie.  On the whole I found it to be a better crafted movie than the first was, but still with obvious flaws.

 

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#375020
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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Here's where you can get my Dewbot clip:

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/28/2557691/dewbot.0001.mpg

 

Edit:  Sorry for the multiple posts.  I watched (or skimmed through) your cut tonight.  We definitely had some of the exact same cuts, even on some that I didn't get the idea for from your list.  Even some of the things I ended up keeping that you cut out I thought about or tried doing.  Most of those I decided against were just because they didn't feel right to me afterwards (the classroom scene for example, having the kids laughing without Sam being shot just didn't work for me, and it's unfortunate that that footage is where Sam starts talking about his report). 

There are some definite differences too, especially now that my cut is about 7 minutes shorter than yours (I keep finding crap to cut!).  I know when I get to ROTF I'll be using different software.  Using Nero is frustrating since it limits what you can do, particularly with audio a great deal.  Nero doesn't allow you to overlap or shift or any of that stuff without going through a ton of trouble to create a 2nd audio source, and even then it's not simple. 

I did prefer how you cut Frenzy's movement from the plane to Barricade better than mine, and I forgot to change that before I burned my Blu-Ray.  I suppose I can run it all over again tomorrow, that's what BD-RE's are for I suppose.  Finally got my menus to work, sadly I had to remove the animation of the buttons and make them stills.  Don't know why it doesn't want to work with audio and animation at the same time.  That's Nero for you.

Oh, I just remembered, your issue with "I'll drive, you shoot!"  I went about that a different way that only involved one cut.  I didn't bother with "shoot, shoot" (it's very short and I didn't want to bother trying to line up the audio to make it work).  Anyway, I cut from the first shot of Mikaela shifting the truck to right after she says the drive/shoot line and she's goes in reverse.  I don't think the shot of the truck coming out of the alley and then lining up in the street is really necessary.

 

Edit (again):  Well I learned a little more about Nero last night and found an easier way to deal with some of the audio problems.  So I was able to trim a little bit more (fixed the issue I had with cutting more of the school scene - no more kids laughing), and perfect a few cuts a bit more.  Right now I've been able to cut right around 20 minutes from the total length of the film.  That's a far cry from the 4-5 minutes I had originally.

 

Anyway, I have no idea about how to get my version out for anyone to view.

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#374946
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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reave said:

Sounds great. I'd like to see how you cut the dewbot scene without a hard audio cut. I didn't think it was entirely impossible, just not worth the effort for a jokebot that shoots soda cans for a weapon.

I've thought of rearranging some of the scenes similar to what you mentioned.

Would like to see what you come up with.

 

Well, I thought I was done editing.  Every time I watch it or skim through it I notice phantom frames that I somehow missed and have to fix or change my mind on something or just find more to trim.  I *THINK* I'm done now.  I did some simple menus on Nero, nothing major or anything, just a few animated buttons and some music.  I'm just now downloading yours so I can see how you did a few things and how they turned out.  There were some bits I wanted to cut, but it just didn't look/sound right.  I'll make a short clip of the dewbot scene and get it on mediashare or somewhere like that. 

 

I reread this thread too and saw a lot of people like the left cheek thing.  A lot of people at TFW wanted me to leave it in as well.  That was one of my first edits when I first did the DVD.  I found the joke mildly entertaining, but it completely kills the mood and pacing of the scene, and that specific line just makes me think of the guy in Armageddon with the telescope yelling at his wife, "get the book, get the book, get the book!"

I definitely kept in Simmons "criminal" lines.  He's probably my favorite human character, and I can't help but laugh at how he did the "Criminals are hot!" bit.

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#373734
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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I watched it this morning streaming it to my ps3 (haven't bought any blank blu-ray discs yet) and I must say it's a lot better than the original.  I wasn't a huge fan of the original, but have been forced to watch it many times since my wife is a huge fan of TFs.  Now I'll be able to watch it easier.   Right now I'm just going back through and fixing some of the errors I missed, and removed a couple additional bits I wasn't sure about before.

All in all, it took me about a 8 days to do this edit.  I probably spent a day on it when I could only edit the DVD, then left it until last weekend when I got my new computer and started on the blu-ray.  I can't believe it turned out as well as it did considering I'm only using Nero (hate this software) and it kept screwing up the timestamps and going to frames that were 5 minutes off right in the middle of a scene.  This is only my second fanedit, the first being a combination of the matrix sequels minus about 40 minutes.

As for ROTF, I actually liked it more than the first movie, but there's still tons than needs to be trimmed.  I've thought of combining the 2 into one long movie (with a whole "2 years later" transition or something).  I'm definitely cutting out the first couple of minutes with prehistoric man, it's very cheesy and it's stupid to provide that information to the audience way before it's laid out for the characters.

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#373732
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Ideas Thread: for Transformers 2...
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There's plenty of stuff to edit from this movie, but I know that when I get around to doing my edit, I will be keeping 100% of the Twins and Wheelie.  Really, outside of the forrest scene they are the best thing in the movie (Ms. Fox's looks not withstanding).

 

I will definitely be cutting the very beginning, some of the college stuff, some of the military stuff, and much of the desert stuff.

 

Also with the "robot heaven" thing, I don't really have a problem with the idea, because I realize it's not "robot heaven."  I do have a problem with how the scene looked however.  I have an idea of a possible way to remove it, but it will take some looking into once I get the blu-ray.

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#373729
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Transformers The Movie: Resparked (Released)
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reave said:

I'm already in the planning stages of a fanedit of ROTF, as are a few other people.

 

I'd be one of those who plan to edit ROTF.  Not really one to plan it out ahead of time, though I do have ideas running around in my head.  I was just recently (yesterday) able to finish my edit of the first movie now that I have a computer with a Blu-ray burner.  It wasn't worth editing the DVD since I wouldn't watch the lower quality medium. 

I commented on fanedit, but wanted to share here as well.  My initial edit was mainly of just scenes or large sections of scenes I wanted cut out, so I only had about 17 or so cuts originally.  I was looking for ideas for extra material to cut without having to watch the movie over and over and someone mentioned your edit.  Your edit list gave me a lot of ideas, and made me look a lot closer at things.  I ended up using some of the same edits you had, and some I already had.  But in going through the movie closer I found a lot of other small bits I removed.  I also kept some stuff you cut, but that's all a matter of taste I guess.  I don't have a problem with Linkin Park for example, so the ending is unchanged. 


One thing you mentioned though was the Advertisement bots and that it was impossible to keep only the dew bot.  I have to say that's simply not true.  It only took about 10 minutes for me to remove the other bots and leave only the Dew bot, and most of that time was my software screwing up.  It just takes a rearrangement of the 5 seconds or so of when Sam gets back up off the ground and removal of the unneccessary footage.  Works perfectly. 

Other things I did that you didn't mention was the removal of Barricade in all scenes after his fight with Bumblebee.

The rearranging of bonecrusher and optimus transformations on the highway so that the scene flows better.

The rearranging of the Epps/Blackout/binocular scene so that Blackout is shot with the grenade before Epps gets up, making it appear that the grenade is the reason he was able to run, not because of Blackout's hesitation.

I cut a few of the lines in the flashback to Sam's great grandfather ("The ice is freezing faster than it's melting" worst line in the movie IMO, and "Don't worry lads, we'll get there")

Removed 2nd taxi arriving at Glen's.

And other small things.

 

I think I have about 80 cuts now instead of my original 17 or so.