Kevinicus

I already did

The dual-layer DVD version is uploading right now.  It's about half way done.  Once that is uploaded I'll upload the single layer DVD, and then finally the blu-ray.

Then I will work on removing bits of the Twins for the 2nd version.

Edit: The DVD5 and DVD9 are now available.

There will be a DVD version, both single and dual layer (not sure which will be first), a blu-ray version (the DVDs will go up first due to size), and possibly an .avi or something small. 

I'll be a little later on my delivery than I thought, I watched the final product today and noticed one small thing to fix and 2 small audio things I wanted to improve slightly.  It's rendering now and apparently has another 20 hours to go, so it looks like late Monday, maybe Tuesday before I'll get something uploaded.

I figure Wednesday or Thursday I can start up on the extra edits for The Real Effing Deal version.  That probably won't take more than a day or two for editing, maybe another day for some very basic menus, then a couple days to render and get uploaded.

This edit is finished, and will hopefully be available by Sunday.  As soon as it's up, I'll start on "The Real Effing Deal" version with less Twins involvement.

Some clips from the edit. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wmA5NTrd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3PCmXkraC0
http://vimeo.com/8071448
http://vimeo.com/8070969

Kurgan said:

Kevinicus, I really want to see your's, but I also want to see a version that has the twins removed (as much as possible).

I mentioned in the thread for my edit that I am considering doing a second version of my edit that removes some of the Twins for those who are that against the Twins.  It would be a movie only version (maybe a VERY VERY basic default menu).

Ok, I'm pretty much done now.  I need to try to work on one part one more time and see if I can finally fix something. I'll try to output a video file in the next few days and maybe add some stuff up on youtube.

Other changes I've made since the original post:

*Leo/Mikeala land in desert

*Image of Autobots being loaded onto plane and Lennox comments about it being a mistake

* Removal of Lennox and Epps discussing the phone call and location of coordinates

*  Removal of Checkpoint scene

*  Remove Galloway parachute scene

*  Change footage and trim end of Petra scene to remove Simmons viewing troops parachuting from so far away, and to add time lapse.

*Remove Simmons pointing at flare right after Sam does.

*Heavily trim parts of military scenes (most parts without robots).

*Remove Galloway in desert scene

*Remove repeat shot from first movie of Drone

*Trim Simmons conversation with Captain of Aircraft Carrier

*Crop shot of Simmons on walkie talkie to remove wrong pyramid from the background

* Remove Devastator's balls (the flagrant scene anyway).

*Remove Megatron calling Devastator's name (I intended to anyway, and I know it was there when I watched the blu-ray, but on the editing software, the audio of him yelling it is just not there, though the rest of the audio is.

*Trimmed Sam's meeting with the Primes (I refuse to call this robot heaven since that's not what it is).  I don't care a lot for this scene, but I feel it is necessary.  I removed the part about Sam's destiny though, that isn't necessary.

*Removed a couple of repeated shots during The Fallen's retrieving of the Matrix.

*Removed the audio for "Give me your face!"

*And I went back and cut out the 6 bogeys coming up from the water for those that feel it's a continuity error.

Total time removed:  Just about 19.75 minutes.  If I'm able to fix that last thing, it will go a little over 20 minutes.

I may do an alternate version for those who absolutely hate the Twins and trim them down some, that will probably come in at 22-24 minutes cut.

I saw the first version.  He and I share many of the same ideas, but differ in a lot of places (especially the Twins).

vaderios said:

Something i ve noticed. When megatron yells "Decepticoooons" in the forest battle, the same exact audio(with different background sounds) is in the later scene when Megs and starscream are on the pyramid and yells again "Decepticooons begin our..."

Also When Megs yells Devastatooor , the devy groars with his mouth closed when in several frames later he opens it...

Are you going to remove the little bird in the sphinx's nose while optimus is next to it?

Any thoughts about recroping some shots when the action doesnt affects the background? For example when the decepticons are coming in asteroid form the camels in front of the action seems to dont bother with the (real even) explosions.

Any thoughts about cuting out Bonecrusher from both scenes(robot and vehicle mode?) at least recolor him(?)

ANY CHANCE to remove the song of linking park played million times in this movie? Something like Uncanny Antman did in his edit removing most of the band songs..(thanks again for that)

Replacing the silly bubble sound of megatron blaster with something more heavy?

-Angel

Wow, you're really all about the little things aren't you?  Currently I don't have any plans to change any of the things you listed, but I'll take a look at them.  The only excepion may be Linkin Park (why does everyone hate their songs in these movies??)  at the end.  I can't even recall where it's played elsewhere in the movie. 

FigmentJedi said:

Aw, but the Jetfire's father line was one of the few funny parts of the movie.

That  wasn't cut.

Yep, it was an easy fix.  Where I'm having trouble is removing Jetfire's telling everyone that The Fallen despised the humans and wanted to kill them.

Uncanny Antman said:

Kevinicus said:

The first shot of the meteor's falling from space,

For what it's worth, the shot is updated.    There are many more protoforms in the shot than there were in the TF1 version.   Doesn't stop it from being obvious as a repeated shot though. 

The very first shot of the meteor's from space only has 4 protoforms, it's the same as the first movie.  The later shots includes far more protoforms and those I didn't bother with.

doubleofive said:

What repeated footage from TF1?  Close up of OP's head or something?  Just curious.

The first shot of the meteor's falling from space, there's a shot of the military's drone that's the same, and a couple others I think.

vaderios said:

Did you manage to get rid all the TF1's footage? as the scene with Optimus briefing we have there two recycled footage.

When they go and visit Simmons the establishing shot has the flag that the decepticon broke in the previous scene. Is it fixed?

When Optimus is reborn we see rises twice in a flipped footage some moments later.

Any thoughts about recroping the scenes of simmons being on the pyramid so its not visible the background with the lack of devy?

When the soldiers are on the plane during the galoway conv(before he jump) the body of optimus appearing and disappearing. any ideas?

There are stock footage showing jet planes firing flares, without a reason. Any thoughts taking footage from other movie?

Imax forest will be in?

Prime can kill a prime? or maybe not? ideas?

The scene that Grindor holds the car, we see inconsistency in the background during the flight.

Adding more G1 transformers sounds?

 

Cant wait :D

-Angel

Still a work in progress.  I've removed some footage from the first, but I'm not sure I've gotten all of it.  I was not able to remove the double footage during the Optimus debriefing, I haven't located other footage to replace it with, at least not without repeating something else.

As far as the flag, I just assume that the city has had time to replace it since it's not the same day.

I haven't worked on the very end of the film yet to look closely at Optimus' revival.  This applies to the Devastator Simmons part as well.

As for the plane, that scene is completely removed.

For the planes firing flares, I believe I just cut that out tonight, though there may be 2 instances of that, I'll have to check.

IMAX forest will be in.

Only a Prime can kill The Fallen not, not only a Prime can kill a Prime.

Not sure about the inconsistencies during the Grindor part, I'll look.  Is it the ground below Sam, or when it's wider shot with all of Grindor?

Not adding G1 sounds.

Kurgan said:

Out of curiosity... how do you explain the continuity with the Shanghai scenes? After all, the human military and autobots are working together to fight hiding Decepticons, something that doesn't happen in the first movie until the very end (the final battle). And there it's daytime.

 

Sorry if this seems like a silly question...

I think I can explain this for JasonN.  It's basically like a romantic comedy after the couple gets together at the end and then they jump forward a year or something and show that they're married and have a kid or the girl is pregnant or something.

After the city battle is done and over with JasonN jumps forward 2 years to show the Autobots and military have been working together ever since and are still kicking Decepticon ass, and that the fight isn't over.  That's about it in a nutshell.

Having finished my edit of the 2007 Transformers Movie (Transformers: Reformatted) I’ve started on an edit of Revenge of the Fallen. My goal is much the same as it was for the 2007 movie, which was to trim as much of what I felt didn’t work and to improve the pacing while maintaining all the key points to the plot being sure not to leave any gaps that will cause confusion (I know some of you already think it’s confusing).

Where possible I will try and clean up any minor problems with consistency or inaccuracies.

The first movie I made several passes through and went back and forth working on and changing my cuts. Due to the software I’m using this caused many headaches from having to realign video to audio since it doesn’t allow you to lock an audio file to the video file. For ROTF I’ve been starting from the beginning and slowly working my way through, completing a cut/transition before going to the next. Currently I am working on the Jetfire portion of the movie.

Some of the cuts I’ve made so far include:

*The entire introduction with The Fallen and prehistoric man.
*All of Optimus’ voice over during the Shanghai scene.
*Moved the title sequence to the end of the Shanghai scene.
*Trimmed Sam & Parents at the beginning somewhat (and dogs humping).
*Trimmed Bumblebee in the garage (crying).
*Trimmed the last line from the Nest hanger.
*Trimmed Leo’s roommates some as well as some of Sam’s parents.
*Trimmed Sam/Alice at party and part of the car scene.
*Trimmed Megatron/Starscream on Nemesis and trimmed end of scene.
*Trimmed classroom flirtation bit.
*Trimmed Sam in his room and w/Alice.
*Trimmed talk in the library.
*Cut repeated footage of Soundwave.
*Cut Sam’s parents with the mime.
*Cut Galloway shutting down NEST.
*Trimmed meat shop (no more talk about teeth).
*Cut Simmon’s ass.
*Cut Leo shocking himself.
*Cut Jetfire talking about his family being there for “centuries”.

Now that’s about as far as I’ve finished. I’ve begun on the next one or two cuts and I’m trying to remove the farting parachute scene, but need to make the scene flow right without it. It’s a little difficult because the humans fall to the ground in the middle of the scene and then get back up after he falls down. I’ll keep it if I have to, but would rather not. I also want to remove (during the desert part) Jetfire talking about how The Fallen hated humans. I really want to get rid of reference to humans from when the Fallen was around before so as to allow for that time to be a lot longer ago than the 17,000 B.C. that is shown in the intro. I have an idea for this part, but I’m not sure it will work yet (it didn’t). If anyone has suggestions on the best way to do it, I’m all ears.

I’m also trying to think of a name for this edit. Right now I’m thinking about, “The Kitten Calendar Edition.” It really has nothing to do with the edit, but is just a goofy title.

I should mention that those who hated the Twins probably will not like my cut. My wife and I loved the Twins and every single frame involving those 2 will remain in this fanedit. Wheelie will also remain mostly intact, with possible minor trimming. Really outside of parts at the beginning and a little of the Nemesis scene, there will be very little cut involving the Transformers (Devastator’s balls will be cut of course). Sam’s parents will be trimmed to an extent that might satisfy some, but might not be enough for others (both home and school scenes will be trimmed though).

Edit:  I’ve started on some of the later cuts in the film as well, but not to the point of cleaning up the audio, mainly just eliminating the footage I know I don’t want and creating the clips I’m going to work with.  I think, if I get much time this next week or so I may be able to finish the editing aspect of the project (of course I didn’t get much editing done the last couple weeks).  From there it will be working on the menus etc.

vaderios said:

Just messing. maybe remove Michael bay's super tones with more grounded ones.

Ah :D forget what i said! Michael bay is awesome so the colors has to be awesome enhanced :D

 

-Angel

Actually, I think ROTF is far more correct with color than the first one was. 

IMAX will be in it.  Where do you want color correction?

vaderios said:

ROTF? really? :D :D :D

What you will be change/remove/fix/replace?

I beg to remove aaall the repeated footage and footage from TF1.

 

-Angel

Yep, ROTF.  It's not as bad as the first movie, but still plenty of flaws.

Right now I'm up to is the NEST scene with the government guy and Prime.  So far I've cut the intro with prehistoric man and the Fallen and all of Prime's voice over moments to start the Shanghai scene (which required some rearrangement).  I cut a few of Epps' lines and moved the Title.  I trimmed a bit of Sam's parents and the dogs humping and cut Bumblebee crying as well.  

vaderios said:

Desert Attack:
    *Completely removed Indian telemarketer and credit card gag.
    *Removed Epps lines "Man, If you could see this ****." and "Bring It"
    *Removed "Bring the Rain" line.
    *Rearranged and trimmed much of the footage so that the action flows better.

* After  the big plane shoots scorpnok, we see a pan to soldiers. Zoom/crop it a bit to cut cameraman's shadow in the left corner

I ll said some more about TF if you want :D

 

When Ironhine yells " Its Starscreaaam" the Lipsync is wrong! fix this too:)

make me happy

 

-Angel

Ah, I never caught that before.  Alas, I'm finished working on this movie for now.  It's all ROTF right now which is being more of a pain in the ass than I thought it would be. 

Maybe someday in the future.

Because he just disappears in the movie.  Beyond the point of his fight with Bumblebee he doesn't do anything but drive around, so by removing him, it's assumed he's killed by Bumblebee and just not seen again.

Timstuff said:

I'm interested in seeing what kind of cuts come out of TF2, because the opinions about it are a lot more unanimously negative than the first movie. Most people seem to like the first movie, and as such, the only fan cuts that I've really seen around for it have been from people who didn't really like it (probably because they're the only ones who feel strongly enough about it to actually make a fan cut). Most of the TF1 cuts I've seen around seem to have an active disliking of the movie's personality and seem to cut out as much of it as possible, a practice I don't particularly care for since I pretty much think the movie is fine as-is.

With Transformers 2 though, I'm interested to see what kinds of editors it attracts. There are a lot of people, myself included, who liked the first movie just fine but were very frustrated with the sequel. In addition to the types who would prefer the movie to have as little of Michael Bay's sense of humor and as little human drama as possible, I think we're going to see people making edits who just plain want it to feel more like the first movie, which is the kind of fan cut I'm hoping to see.

Don't forget those of us who were pretty disappointed in the first one (not as a Transformers fan, but a movie fan in general), and much preferred Revenge of the Fallen and felt it was a much better movie in almost every way.  That's where I fall in.  I edited the first one because I thought it was extremely flawed and had major pieces that served no purpose and couldn't offer simple entertainment (hacker/analyst as an example). The second movie on the other hand has far more in it that is actually entertaining, but still has quite a few of the elements that were pointless and counterproductive as the first movie did.  My goal isn't to gut the film, just remove some of the fat to improve the pacing (by far the biggest fault with the movies) and reduce some of the redundancy and cringe worthy moments.

For those wondering what I changed, here is my complete list of edits (I think):

Opening/Base Attack Scene:
    *Trimmed conversation on helicopter
    *Removed conversation between Lennox and his wife
    *Removed threat to kill Blackout's crew if they didn't step out and his utterance of "My God"
    *Trimmed Epps looking up at Blackout some
    *Rearranged footage so that Blackout is shot with grenade PRIOR to Epps escaping.
    *Trimmed Blackout turning arround some before ejecting Scorponok

School Scene:
    *Removed intro by teacher & Sam emptying his bag
    *Removed spitball bit
    *Removed lines during flashback, "The ice is freezing faster than it's metling," and, "Don't worry lads, we'll get there."
    *Removed "Sexton" line and class' reaction
    *Removed shot of Sam's Dad in his car

Dealership Scene:
    *Removed clown's line about his makeup melting
    *Removed line from Bolivia wanting to show Sam his favorite car away from BB

Pentagon Scene:
    *Removed SecDef looking at those in attendance and all comments made there

Witwicky House:
    *Removed Sam going to his room, checking the mirror, ebay, etc.
    *Removed bit about Mojo and his bling.

Desert Scene:
    *Completely removed scene with Lennox and company talking about what happened, the binoculars and Skorponok spying.

Park Scene & Drive Home: 
    *Removed a few of Brent's lines to his friends and his worrying about his wheels being grinded.
    *Removed 2nd half of Sam and Mikaela's talk in the car where she comes off as a total ditz not knowing who he is.

Analyst Scene:
    *Completely remove scene of analysts theorizing about Iran and China.

Air Force One Scene:
    *Cut President's Ding Dong lines.
    *Remove a lot of analysts lines (i.e. "Are you running a diagnostic?" "Should I be?", etc.  Only what was needed remains)
    *Remove several repetetive lines from military personal after signal is detected.
    *Trim Frenzy's escape to the car

Bumblebee signal scene:
    *Cut Sam's call to police and his talk about the neighborhood watch
    *Cut Bumblebee driving circles around Sam and Sam throwing his keys

Pentagon Scene:
    *Completely cut scene where Maggie talks about DNA based computers etc. with SecDef and military

Desert Attack:
    *Completely removed Indian telemarketer and credit card gag.
    *Removed Epps lines "Man, If you could see this ****." and "Bring It"
    *Removed "Bring the Rain" line.
    *Rearranged and trimmed much of the footage so that the action flows better.

Maggie Stealing Signal/Glenn Scene:
    *Cut other analyts lines.
    *Trimmed Maggie removing memory card
    *Cut Maggie getting out of 2nd taxi
    *Cut Glenn playing games with his cousin
    *Cut Maggie asking if Glenn wants to see something classified and Glenn wanting to "work his magic"
    *Cut Glenn's grandmother's interruption.

Bumblebee Chases Sam/Barricade Scene:
    *Trim footage of news
    *Cut out audio of Sam saying "Good Morning Mojo," and "It's too early.." to allow for it to be later in the day.
    *Trim some frames from Sam flipping on his bike.
    *Cut Sam telling Barricade that he's had the worst day - removes uneccessary delay by Barricade
    *Trim Sam's delay in running away
    *Cut Sam's line about dreaming
    *Cut line in car about ditching the Monster - Sam hits the steering wheel and the car starts (Note: Unfortunately I wasn't able to fix the continuity error with the tire spinning, but that's is Bay's error, not mine.)
    *Mirrored the scene of Bumblebee flipping Barricade into a building and them fighting on the ground to make the action flow in the same direction (pretty amateur mistake by Bay & co. here).  Later shot of Barricade is mirrored as well.
    *Trimmed some frames after Sam kicks Frenzy's head.

Autobot Arrival:
    *Removed girl's tooth fairy line.
    *Removed Jazz's first line, "What's crackin' little bitches?"
    *Removed Sam's echo of Prime's "ebay."
    *Removed line during flashback sequence, "The ice is cracking." (DUH!!)

Interrogation Room:
    *Cut entire scene with Donuts and Glenn freaking out.
   
Military Airplane:
    *Cut a few lines at beginning of discussion of Skorponok

Sam's House:
    *Cut first news report Sam's parents are watching
    *Cut entire backyard scene (Sam's talk with his dad, "my bad," and the bit with Mojo.)
    *Cut Mikaela's efforts to help Sam search his room.
    *Cut S7 escorting everyone to the vehicles

Sector 7 vehicle sequence:
    *Cut Sam's martians line
    *Cut Mikeala going on about Sam never sacraficing anything in his perfect little life.
    *Trimmed the chase of Optimus to remove continuity error of Prime's footprints magically vanishing.

Pentagon:
    *Cut conference call and comment about the defining the Presidency.

Hoover Dam/Sectory 7:
    *Cut most of Frenzy's fall.  Spliced a small piece of footage in during Prime's speech at the Observatory.
    *Cut SecDef talking to Lennox
    *Cut SecDef having a hissy fit about the military not knowing about Sectory 7 etc.
    *Cut shot of Barricade after Starscream calls the Decepticons to mobilize
    *Cut Maggie asking what kind of energy the cube had
    *Cut Wolverine/Freddy Joke and Simmons asking for a phone, etc.
    *Cut Maggie correcting Simmons about Finland and the SecDef's comments
    *Cut some of Maggie's reactions to cellphone bot
   
Attack on S7:
    *Cut shot of Barricade with other Decepticons
    *Cut one shot of Frenzy messing with computers
    *Cut SecDef line about the Rangers not losing
    *Cut Sam asking how BB is doing (good call Reave)
    *Cut Lennox reference to "Mission City" - This fixes the error with it being called LA in the sequel
    *Cut shot of Bumblebee and others leaving dam area, Sam asking how the cube is in the backseat and some guys spraying Megs.

Final Battles:
    *Cut some of Frenzy fight and the Airforce receiving the message from Glenn
    *Cut more shots of Barricade
    *Rearrange footage of Optimus and Bonecrusher transformations
    *Cut out boy saying, "Cool Mom!"
    *Cut F22's mobilizing and Glenn saying that they're being sent to the city.
    *Cut wide shot of city
    *Cut Lennox/Epps argument about airstrike, "That's Alien!"
    *Cut and rearranged scene of robots created by the Allspark so that it's only Dewbot that's created, no XBOX or SUV.
    *Cut shot of Mikeala driving out of alley and "I'll drive, you shoot" line.

I think that's it...

Fair enough.  I will say if you do cut the masturbation bit, then you might look into trimming Sam's mom apologizing for  Mikeala having to listen to it.

JasonN said:

Kevinicus said:

I think it'll be a lot easier to work with ROTF than it was with the first movie since ROTF is a much better movie to begin with.

I'm sorry if this is rude.... but that is absolute BULLS**T.
-__-

 

As for the preview video, I needed to keep the "Sam/Dad talk" because it reveals how Sam got out of jail (his dad bailed him out) since I completely removed the prior "Police Station" scenes. As for the masturbation joke... yeah, I thought it was in very bad taste and terrible humor.
("These movies are for the kids", my ass, Bay...)

Different people like different things, but I thought it was far more entertaining (better action and no hacker/analysts), and produced at a much higher level, and I think that even more now that I've spent a couple months editing the first movie so that it's watchable now.  I can watch ROTF unedited just fine, though I still plan to fix the flaws. 

I prefer the relatively short police station scene to the talk in the back yard that drags too much for me.  I'm not worried about kids as far as the humor, though if I were I'd have no problem with anything in these movies.