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#130337
Topic
Info Wanted: are there any lossless masters of ld captures?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130337/action/topic#130337
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I understand where you're coming from. But I can also tell that you are one of those people who isn't going to spend the cash necessary to make a cap of his own, even if you have cash to spend on other things. You own an iPod? I don't; I've got a Pioneer CLD-D925. You get the latest Eminem CD? I bought a copy of Faces ANH. Like Starbucks in the morning? I save up my money for hard drives. I'm not made of money. Please don't assume that people who have made the choice to buy all the stuff in order to make a cap are the idle rich with money to burn.

I made a calculated business-style decision to buy an LD player (well, three) and a bunch of discs (about 8 or 9 -- sets, I mean) to make a transfer, and then get rid of my equipment and discs to someone a little more nuts about this stuff (and/or a little richer). Sure, I'm having fun doing it. That's most of the reward right there. But I'm not altruistic enough to make my capping efforts freely available to anyone before I can recoup some of my investment. Not only that, but why should the cap I'm taking time to do right end up in the hands of someone who will bang out a release before me, while I'm still figuring out how to improve the end result?

If that makes me one who has fallen "to the dark side and be[come] greedy," well, then I guess I'm guilty.

But I ask you, isn't the greedy one the one who is asking for stuff for free from people who have paid for it?
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#130232
Topic
Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/130232/action/topic#130232
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Perusing the Official and Unofficial screenshot sites, and playing around with the images I made a discovery. It's completely inconsistent. Completely, oddly, insanely, and randomly inconsistent. In some cases they take 32-40 lines off the left and a few from the right, sometimes none from the left and a few from the right. I even found a scene where the right side has more image (by like 20 lines) than ANY NTSC edition. (Though where they got the extra image area from is beyond me.)


They got it from the film. I guess relatively few of you know how film is shot and transferred. I don't know all the ins and outs, but I can tell you it's highly subjective. The image as shot has some slop to the top and bottom and left and right of the action -- this is intentional. Or at least deliberately accidental. There's a safe area that's protected for, and then there's an area around the safe area that may or may not be intended for projection. And in a lot of cases, the extreme edges just don't matter much (like fake cardboard cutouts of soldiers standing at attention). There has to be at least a small portion of the image as "padding" so that when the projectionist masks the film for the particular screen he's showing the film on, he'll never have any white or black areas showing. Film ain't like HD; it's analogue, baby! You'd be surprised at just how different each theatre's presentation of a film can be, and still be the "correct" aspect ratio.

The same thing is true during telecining. There's an area that's going to show up on the videotape, and that can be filled pretty creatively by the telecine operator. If for some reason he feels like zooming in just a bit, he can. He wants to crop the whole thing just a bit higher, no problem. So the guy who did the PAL session clearly cropped a bit tighter than the NTSC guy for the most part, except for a few places where he's left things wider than the NTSC guy did. Both are correct. PAL is not missing anything it shouldn't be. That's the nature of film.

Of course, you never notice this for just about any other movie, because just about any other movie only has one transfer you'd ever really see, and nobody really pays attention to 20 lines here or there except when it's Star Wars, the ultimate geek's ultimate obsession.

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#129402
Topic
Info Wanted: has anyone tried a Star Wars Super 8mm to DVD preservation project?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129402/action/topic#129402
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Sigh. I guess we're now going to get a tonne of posts pointing people with film to a whole bunch of places that can transfer 8/16/35mm film to video, but will not, because the owner of the film doesn't have permission. These are not home movies were talking about.

Listen: if you haven't personally checked out the place by sending some film from a Hollywood movie, then these "you should send your stuff here" posts are almost useless. I like the enthusiasm, but they're frustrating because they make a solution sound trivial. But it's really not that simple. If it were, then everyone would be doing it already. I mean, you think people who have figured out how to get film haven't figure out how to use Google?

Sorry to sound harsh, but this topic comes up again and again, and yet nobody actually does any legwork towards making it a reality.
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#129385
Topic
Citizen's Aspect Ratio Calculator Tool for your browser
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/129385/action/topic#129385
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Originally posted by: Citizen
I've updated it further now with true calculation source numbers because PAL 720x576 & NTSC 720x480 aren't true 4:3 resolutions.


I think I have a little problem with that. I know you've been looking at a super-technical page (from Finland) and have made adjustments accordingly, but I think I'd like to ask you to reconsider. Here is my rationale:

For a fixed-pixel display (such as a projector, which I don't own yet but will someday), the aspect ratio is fixed, and there is effectively no overscan. So the source material should ideally be full width (i.e. 720, say) with no black at all. Given that, then the height is the only variable that can affect the AR, and it does so in a non-CCIR way.

Once things are digital, then we have the flexibility to make sure round things stay round -- and I don't see a lot of hand-wringing about CCIR specs built in there. For example, many projectors are 854 x 480, which is 16:9 square pixel. It's clear that the source is meant to be DVD, with no overscan.

Now, for a real TV, getting the AR "right" is sorta pointless, because a CRT can be (and is) adjusted to mess with the AR, and the edges hidden by a bezel. So the minute differences made by CCIR-compliant calculations sorta make no difference at all, when some doofus at the factory wasn't all that careful, and your TV is actually displaying 4.2:3 already!

Given the additional fact that an increasing number of masters never actually exist as NTSC or PAL until they're converted to DVD (since they come via an HD master), and the people doing the conversion are probably computer nerds and not broadcast engineers, isn't it likely that a lot of the CCIR rules are sort of irrelevant, and therefore things are being done strictly on a straight math calculation (i.e. 720 x 480 is 3:2; figure out the PAR for NTSC at 4:3; convert on that basis)?

That's my take. Don't know if I'm right. Hope it contributes to the project, by at least making you think and/or explain why I'm out to lunch!

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#128987
Topic
Info: The Frighteners - Signature Collection laserdisc preservation thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128987/action/topic#128987
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Well, that was easy. Too easy. After setting up my player and messing around with cables in behind furniture, etc., it only took a few minutes to make a sample cap, and convert it. Want a listen? Download a little sample: http://www3.telus.net/11811/forums/Frighteners101.ac3. It's about 1.3MB, and coming from my personal webspace. Which means it won't be up that long. Just long enough for RevB and various other parties to grab it, and verify it's good for authoring, etc.

To play it, just drop it on VLC, or MediaPlayerClassic. Both handled it, no problems.

If it's good, I'll go ahead and do the whole film.
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#128653
Topic
X-Factors - Blade Runner Project (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128653/action/topic#128653
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Blade Runner (not sure which version) has been shown in HD on Japanese pay TV (WOWOW). Picture quality is amazing. OAR, AAC audio. Only unfortunate thing is the Japanese hard subs (that have been foisted upon Japanese broadcasters by Hollywood). But even those have been tweaked away by somebody. This should very handily kick the ass of the terrible DVD transfer, which isn't even anamorphic widescreen...
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#128470
Topic
Dr. M's Reinventing The Wheel Edition (PAL to NTSC+) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128470/action/topic#128470
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Originally posted by: Doctor M

What would be monsterously helpful at this point would be if anybody could quote me as closely as possible the side changes for both the DC edition and the French PAL (? Moth3r's source). I'm thinking that's going to be the key blocks where the audio will need to be resynced each time.


There are also a couple of frames cut from the PAL releases at just about every reel change. The maximum length of a reel is about 22 minutes, which implies at least 6 places. Plus side breaks.

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#128321
Topic
Info: The Frighteners - Signature Collection laserdisc preservation thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/128321/action/topic#128321
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I try not to use too much profanity when posting, but HOLY FUCK is the Search function on this board the absolute shits.

I'm looking for a post by someone else who has capped AC-3 (from LD, I think) and who wrote himself up a little applet to check the integrity of the bitstream. MeBeJedi and I also posted in this thread, very close to where this guy made his post. I even tried Google -- using 'site:http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/ (ac3 OR ac-3)' but no luck.

I'd like to be able to get my hands on said applet, to be able to confirm that what I cap from The Frighteners is bit-perfect. I had trouble with the last side of the Jedi SE LDs -- on two different sets -- and this guy said he didn't. Coulda been my player (I've got a different one now, so maybe I'm OK?), but I'd still like to be sure.

Can anyone point out the thread and post where this was discussed, please??
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#127781
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127781/action/topic#127781
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Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
Currently, even the best DVD's look extremely poor on HDTV's.

Really? What's your signal path? 'Cause I figured DVD looked pretty hot on an HD projector. "Extremely poor" is pretty damning -- just why is it so horrific?

Are the original X0 captures going to be good enough for the inevitable HDTV output?


I can tell you right now that they aren't -- none of the current transfers will be -- for the simple reason that they're still only letterboxed NTSC from LD. That's a mere 270-ish lines of resolution. Even Moth3r's version started with maybe 300 lines (and features more dot crawl that the X0 Project will). I'm sure there's no nicer raw turd than the X0 Project raw files, and some serious turd polish such as you've never seen before will be employed, but if you're expecting better-than-DVD HD output, you are going to be quite disappointed.

I, on the other hand, won't be: I don't figure DVD is too bad upsampled to HD, and I will gladly accept some softness and video crappiness as long as I never have to watch the even more egregious video crappiness of seeing Greedo shoot at all and Jabba the Whupped turn up in ANH.

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#127771
Topic
<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127771/action/topic#127771
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Is it just me, or is that link screwed up? For me, it starts to load, then flips to PayPal. The leading http: needs some fixin'.

(That is the number one reason I dislike links that have text saying something like "this site", rather than the URL. It's much harder to notice when you've posted a weird-lookin' link.)
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#127540
Topic
<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127540/action/topic#127540
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Originally posted by: Rikter

There really are only 3 of us here on the OT that regularly upload DVD's for the fans - Metallaxis, The Dark One and me (and it took me 30 days to get a copy after payment)

Yeah, and you guys do a great job between you. And Zion, with his incredible Ep III. I wish a few more people would step up into a similar role. Then again, I don't seed (until I grab the torrent, and then I seed at least 150% of what I d/l) or post, so I'm one to talk. On the other hand, I deliberately don't ask for a free copy up front for this very reason. And I usually keep my mouth shut when I'm tempted to post to ask when things are coming. I figure they'll get there in their own sweet time, and my askin' about it ain't gonna help things along any.

this [will be] uploaded on the alt.hoobiedoobies.newsgroupiesthingies


I'm not sure my provider carries that one... yet.
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#127524
Topic
<strong>The Cowclops Transfers (a.k.a. the PCM audio DVD's, Row47 set) Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/127524/action/topic#127524
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For a release with a thread this long, and a release date relatively back in the past, and with this much hype, it's sorta disappointing that there hasn't been any sort of wide release on a.b.starwars or MySpleen or what-have-you. Wasn't part of the idea that the people who got DVDs directly would take responsibility for wide distribution? Just a rhetorical question.

To answer your question, I haven't seen anything on chapter points. If I were you, I'd wait the extra week or so and wait to see a copy with my own eyes. There's little point in having two or more versions of your covers out there, should you happen to pick wrong the first time around.