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#295843
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My Episode III Re-Edit (v 2007) (Completed)
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I hate to say it but it feels like a bit of a mess. I do LOVE some of your ideas but it seems like you have tried th cram too much into such a short period of time. Okasy i watched the clip twice. First to take it all in and then to take notes. I'll try to be as constructive as I can.

leaving mustafar

I would say remove the shot of the Naboo starship [or whatever it is] flying towards camera, or reorder the shots. the way it plays feels kinda weird. maybe try show Obiwan and Threepio and then that shot? there have been a lot of clips posted and i cant really remember exactly what each person has tried...

Overall i think i prefer not to wipe from obiwan leaving mustafar to obiwan arriving at polis masa. that might just be me tho.

the birthing

Here's a crazy idea, Why not have obiwan actually say 'Don't give up Padme' at some point?

Overall it works well in a 'trimmed down' fashion although I think the usic should probably be toned down a little towards the end...

the vision montage

the Quigon and Obiwan flashback is a great idea. However given how god damn creepy Yoda looked circa TPM maybe you should use his voice with a visual of something else. maybe young anakin?

I like the hazy effect but it seems a tad too blurry.

I really don't like the Anakin Sith eye shot here because none of them were around to witness it.

And this might just be me but it seems very wierd for yodas voice to be so 'echoed' when it is his own voice in his own flashback. I guess the same with obiwan, but it's really noticable for Yoda. Where he recalls his discussion with Obiwan about Anakin falling to the dark side...

The "don't give up padme" shot seems wierd here too. Unless we tap into the notion that it was not a vision that anakin had of the future but rather something he intercepted [Sidious] - But that's probably too complex to get into without anything to really back it up.

What might be great is if you created a similar shot using footage from actual "birth scene / death scene" . kind of like from a butterfly effect perspective. the future event still happened but played out a little differently due to characters actively trying to prevent / alter a set future.

It just seems very odd for a character to have a flashback to something they did not witness but from a perspective of someone who did. Like tapping into the mind of that person.

the quick shot of Luke in tatooine just doesnt seem to fit well. I like the idea of it. but it just doesn't feel right. Maybe as part of a longer montage, possibly coupled with shots of leia, although as i understand it you are trying to excise her from rots...

Maybe intercut Yoda meditating with the birth. Bail could interupt him with the news of her death. With the birth of Luke Yoda could then sense his presence and 'see' his future briefly. You'd have to trim yoda and bail from the birth scenes tho in that case.

What I'm getting at here is that there are great scenes and maybe theres a better way to bring them into the story and give them context rather than showing them for the sake of seeing them. Keep in mind that in the OT the audience was often moving along with the characters and only finding out things when they did.

All of the Alderaan stuff is fine as it is IMO and wouldn't really need anything more than minor tweaks. overall a fine effort but could do with some polishing.

I'm working on some ideas of my own for ROTS but it's all pretty rough atm. I'm a little out of the loop right now. I might go back and look at all the clips and thing we've all dicussed, try to get up to speed again.

Could you tell me what type of filtering / effects you are using on your flash back scenes? I'd like to experiment myself and i like the style...




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#294872
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Originally posted by: GoodMusician
not to seem dumb here... but is it possible to cut away during this fight to say Anakin flying to the Jedi Temple... and then cut back... then it would seem like they lived longer... lol


DarkHelmet originally did just that in his edit of the scene. I think it worked quite well.


I think the guys from 'Star Wars: Reborn' are planning something similar iirc.

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#294750
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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Yeah it's actually a bit more streamlined than it appears. Remember that I was trying to remove something from a shot first. There are many methods. I've tried a few and i generally get good results. I don't always do things exactly the same, it really depends on what you are working on.

Maybe Wieber has some insight into the top secret methods employed for the films then. In every documentary piece of footage i have looked at they never explicitly state how they render modern day light saber effects. It would be nice to know the exact methods used for the films.

The thing about star wars games is that they wouldn't really need to do any roto work. Just create a glow and apply it to the blade.

Whatever you try M, could you post examples of your results? good or bad...
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#294636
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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I'm taking a look at camstudio but having trouble trying to get decent results. In the meantime here are some screenshot examples, Hopefully with explanations that you all can follow easy enough. And remember kids, this is just a method uncle Ringo uses. If you find a better way, that's great. I'm sure a video will be a lot easier to follow so i'll try get something sorted.

So I was flicking through rots looking for a suitable moment. I never really liked Mace having a purple saber glow so I settled on this scene...

"Whether or not he is the senate remains to be seen"
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9241/s1te5.jpg

We need to remove the coloured glow which is a bit of extra work. I'll be using photoshop 7.

If we were creating a saber from scratch we would begin by outlining whatever prop blade was used during filming, and filing in that area white - on a fresh layer. I would then duplicate the white blade we've created and play with some Gaussian blur to ensure the blade has smooth edges.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8654/s2yf2.jpg

Here i have taken the original image and duplcated it. So we have 2 copies of the same image, one above the other. I set the layer type of the top image as 'colour'. Then i used the smudge tool to drag the purple glow areas of the image toward the white core. Now if i set the top layer back to 'normal' it should look something like this...
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6130/s3lu0.jpg

Now i have used the magic wand tool to highlight the white saber core - this will be on the lowest image that we haven't edited. I have filled in the area with white on a new layer - above all others.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4264/s4uv5.jpg

Here's what that looks like, You can see that using the smudge tool we have hidden the purple area sunder the saber core. and the are that was purple will take on the colours from the areas i used to smudge. Let's set that layer back to 'colour'.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9233/s5gc8.jpg


You can see that there really isn't much of a glow coming off that thing now. Now I'll take the layer that we created with just a white blade section and give it a bit of a blur. You can see now that it seems to have a bit of a glow. The amount I blur things tends to vary on how close an oject is to the camera and therefore how large. These blades aren't too close so I wont have to blur things too much. It's best to just play around and see what looks best.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3296/s6xh9.jpg

* The glow could be a little stronger so BEFORE i blur that layer with the white blade i'll duplicate it. then i will blur each copy a different amount. IF the glow appear too stong I can easily reduce the opacity a little. - this method is an on the fly adjustment, it would have been simpler create a white area larger than the original saber core. But let's move on for now.
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4286/s7tb6.jpg

* If i smudge the colours offf the other blades you can see they appear to have more of a glow than Mace did.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8805/s14de1.jpg


Now we can play with adding our own glow. Things tend to vary depending on the shot. I've chosen 2 shades of blue to create the glow for this saber.

I'm going to use the magic wand to highlight the saber core on the original image again. Now i'm going to want an area larger but in the same shape. I will go to 'select' on the menu bar, then down to 'modify' and then choose 'expand'. I will choose an amount, in this case about 3.

Creating a fresh layer above the others i will fill in the area with a light blue [0,150,255] - RGB value
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9206/s8nb4.jpg

After doing that i will set this layer to 'overlay'. Now it's starting to look like something.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/778/s9ky3.jpg

Now we will do the same again. Highlight the original core. But this time expand by about twice the amount we did last time, so this time I'll choose 6 as the amount to expand. Thin I will fill a new layer with a darker blue [0,50,255] - RGB value. I'll set this layer to 'color' and drag it below the lighter blue layer.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7940/s10hp8.jpg

Now i will add a gaussian blur to each of the blue layers, I'll blur each of them about 6.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/994/s11ax9.jpg

and that's about it. Of course the more fine tuning you do the better results you will get.


I noticed a few other things while playing with this scene...

one thing about star wars is that the lightsabers have never ever looked consistent. a lot of the times it's not noticeable but here's a shot of the mace vs sidious duel - notice there still isn't much glow going on here.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4770/s18br7.jpg

And yet here we are only moments later....pretty brightly lit.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2939/s15jv1.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4498/s16ba5.jpg
In this case the same method used earlier will wind up looking different here.


This shot really reminds me of 'spaceballs' - "You idiots. That's not the chancellor killing you...It's his digital stunt double."
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3472/s17mm1.jpg
btw..What the hell was this guy ^ waiting for?

did any of that make sense?

Anyway I'll try get a video together soon if i can.

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#294386
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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Sure, Definitely if you guys are interested. Just keep in mind that my methods are in no way definitive. Just various things I've played around with. I'll try and get something together with screen shots. I may not get it posted today though - my sister just had a baby so I've got other things to occupy my time this weekend.

I was intending to put together a replacement shot of Dooku igniting his blade using a different shot. As an example to GM and the gang and Cuz i dislike the original shot quite a bit. I'll still see if i can get it done, when and if I have the time.



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#294125
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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"The problem, I think, was trying to do the whole thing on digital film and put it all together while they were there on set. Too many pretty colours makes Continuity Man go space cadet."

having look at other shots in the film I agree. theres often very little to work with.

There are a lot of moments in the scene that could be improved if you had the footage but there is so much going on and the characters are constantly moving. I might try a shot or two to convey my ideas after work tomorrow.
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#294095
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Paint Wars: A New Hope
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Sure, But i wouldn't want to volunteer anyone. they'd have to really want to do it - and have time to devote to it.

What would people think of trying something like that?

And I hate to be a pain, but is anyone seeding this right now? - so close to complete but I see no seeders. I grabbed it from pirate bay. Please don't think I'm being impatient. Just curious.
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#294086
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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There are many different ways to add these sorts of effects. The simplest way I've found is to use gaussian blurs. Rotoscoping itself is basically and exercise in patience. I might be able to help you. I've had some good results...inconsistent, but good.

Please keep in mind this was a rush job. was just looking for a 'roto' example i'd done.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2227/doic7.jpg

I'm still catching up with the various ep3 edits and whatnot.
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#294019
Topic
Paint Wars: A New Hope
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"They should continue in their own style, of course, but only for a few minutes of film time and then lay it down for someone else to continue."

You know that could make for a great project if there's enough interest. with a movie that well known. split it into say 40 pieces and different people take charge with their own visual style. then reassemble the film with audio later on. it'd take someone to oversee the project I guess.

As for Paint Wars, I'll grab a copy and take a look later on. Should be interesting.
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#293715
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Why not insert the shots. then render the entire film in 12 fps, add some film grain and general old film effects, some pianola music...

It's good to have the deleted scenes for the sake of seeing them, but even if quality wasn't an issue they still don't feel like ANH and to introduce all these characters that do nothing to move the story along would be a bit o a waste really.

I'm probably rare here in that I don't have much issue in the whole SE vs OOOUT [sic], I don't mind additions and alteration to the film AS LONG AS they improve things. For example - The Jabba scene on it's own is interesting but it feels like the movie stops for the duration of that scene.

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#293714
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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Have you cosidered muting out "your swords please". maybe linger on the Jedi and then have him simply come out with "wouldn't want to make a mess of things...." Haven't really looked at the shot to conmsider this, just putting it out there. I think he'd still maintain that "I'm a smug asshole" sound.

It's all looking very good expect for one thing. [I refer to GM's edits here] the part where Dooku ignites his saber. the shot itself just doesnt't look right AND the rapid cut from that to his face feels very jarring. I don't know how you could get around this. Possibly have it ignite off screen, If I recall there's a shot somewhere there looking at the Jedi from behind Dooku.

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#293698
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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I think i'd prefer if he said something like "your weapons please". Tho I can't recall if he ever said 'weapons' maybe scour LOTR for something more useble. [although it is a film full of swords so...]

I used to find it odd that GL comes up fir really elaborate terms for things 'in universe' but never really uses those terms himself.