New stuff? In a way yeah, but his flaws did affect the movie to me, as I saw there was no real threat standing against our heroes. That’s what I mean.
When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.
Did he also turned emo because they divorced? 😄
Well if you ask me, TFA is just a commercial product 😄
I do feel there were a lot of scenes that could’ve been handled better, with the right pacing and music, Vader’s helmet’s reveal being one of them, which felt almost casually shown on the screen.
He’s still bitter because he didn’t get a medal.
Yoda Is Your Father said:
I believe you said you weren’t going to pay to watch Episode VII.But then you paid to watch Episode VII.
And you’ll pay to watch VIII and IX too.
And probably all the ‘Star Wars Stories’ too.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true 😉
“Never! I’ll never turn to the fans’ side. I’m not for the ride, I like “The Empire” and the whole OT.”
😄 I like originality. It wouldn’t be the first time a franchise I like turns into just another product, and not the first time I’d stop watching sequels to look for something else, something new and original.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I can say Ron Jeremy begged me to go, but doesn’t automatically make it true.
You’re free not to believe me, no problem.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
I’d call bullsh*t 😉
If you don’t believe me, read it for yourself here 😄 (I DID buy the ticket when I saw TFA, don’t worry).
Also, her absence would have been conspicuous. Less so, now that we know what she does in the Galaxy and we may not need to see her again.
Yeah, I guess with Han dead, she could retire from the Resistence, if needed.
Hinted? Are you sure? 😄
TV’s Frink said:
[…]
Of course it’s contrived in 1980. In ANH, Vader just happens to chase Leia to the planet where his son and her brother lives, and he just happens to take possession of his sister’s droids, one of which just happens to be carrying the stolen plans his father is trying to retrieve?
[…]
Not that I want to interfere or nitpick, but Leia wasn’t Luke’s sister yet in 1980.
That makes sense. Thanks!
btw, where did he find Poe’s jacket? Did it magically fly off the TIE without his owner? 😄
It bothered me more that she didn’t get to say anything actually important.
About Han, at least a hero died. Hadn’t he died, Ren’s presence would’ve been even less threatening, and the whole final battle even more boring. Of course, it’s more likely they just killed him to mirror Obi-wan’s death in ANH, and “free” Ford from the cast.
P.S.: 😄 btw, here’s Ortolani’s take on Leia (roughly translated by me)
P.P.S.: if these comics bother you, let me know it and I’ll stop posting them.
I think TFA’s score (just like PT’s score) wasn’t as great as OT’s scores, because it didn’t match the movie almost shot-by-shot (like in the OT), but more like scene-by-scene. That’s why I found the ending theme so “flat”: it’s not that it wasn’t good, but it didn’t work together with that scene.
Just watch the trench run’s scene again to see hear what I mean: after so many views, of course I already know what is going to happen, but the music builds the tension so much, it’s always a true experience!
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
I bet you $5000 that you watch Episode VIII no matter what.
What if I told you that, understanding that TFA would’be been mostly a commercial product, I wasn’t going to buy a single ticket for this movie? I watched it just because my friends begged me to 😄
If he looks as bad in person as he did in the hologram, I’ll be right there with you.
Right, Snoke could be a CGI rendering of a hologram of a Star Wars’ CGI avatar of someone 😄
I get his hologram in TFA may not be his true self, but why would he specifically want to look like CGI? In TFA alone, it’s still a pretty bad special effect :\
Bingowings said:
[…] Episode VIII has got to have a shock horror reveal if it’s going to slavishly copy the OT to the extent that TFA did.
If Ep.VIII is going for the ANH/TFA route again, I will no doubt completely avoid it 😄
RU.08 said:
I don’t care how the special effects team does it, they can use CGI or a puppet or a man in a mask or do whatever they want. My point was that you don’t want it to look fake. You don’t want people to roll their eyes and say “lifeless puppet” or “CGI” or “Halloween mask” etc!I ask you this, though: has there been a single sci-fi/fantasy movie in the past fifteen years or so that featured a major character that wasn’t an actor in a costume that achieved this? I suppose Gollum would be the one, but my reaction to him was always more “Jesus, that’s impressive CGI” rather than “I can’t tell if that’s CGI”. He’s sort of the Yoda puppet of CGI. Effects almost always look like effects, that’s just the reality we’re in.
I understand this Snork guy is just one of few CGI characters in the movie, and yeah the story it’s more important (except less then 25% of it is actually original, but whatever), but I still don’t get it: the PT was constantly criticized for its CGI puppets (especially Yoda), but now for TFA all of this suddenly is just… fine? Honestly I agree with RU.08 and, considering Snork looks a lot like the Emperor in ROTJ, I don’t see why they couldn’t use a real guy in costume (with just a few fixes in CGI if actually needed).
😄 I know, I know, I was just kidding. I do love parodies of franchises I like myself. Let’s say he may be less “motivated” than when he was “bashing” PT’s characters!
Frink, why defending TFA? Are you saying there won’t be any “The Ridiculous Awakening”? What’s wrong with you, man!? Now I’m disappointed! 😄
Anchorhead said:
That said; I’m also aware that Star Wars77 had more than it’s fair share of contrived plot points and plot holes. I accept them, embrace the story, and go on the adventure. However…
- An escape pod the size of an SUV falls to a planet, sometime later the Empire decides to go look for it, and within minutes the stormtroopers are standing next to it? Weak.
- The pod lands very near Luke’s house and he just happens to buy the droid that was inside? Later it ends up at Ben’s, who also just happens to have the lightsaber the totally random farm boy’s dad used to own? Contrived.
The Death Star - constructed specifically to blow-up planets - has to go around a planet before it can…blow up a different planet? WTF?
The Death Star is the size of a moon, yet our heroes seem to be able to walk everywhere they need to be in what appears to be just a few minutes. Unrealistic.
A small exhaust port on a moon-sized space station can lead the entire station disintegrating? Contrived.
There are others I’m sure I’ve forgotten over the years. My point is just this; The intense criticism of The Force Awakens can easily be applied to Star Wars77. I’m at a loss as to why one gets a pass and one does not.
So far, to me it seems ANH has barely any plot hole compared to TFA, probably because it was written in more than 3 years, but it all depends on how much one nitpicks plots, I guess. About ANH:
-the Empire decided to go looking for the escape pod because it turns out it may contain the DS’s plans;
-the droids, Luke and Obi-wan all get together because of the Force: Obi-wan says throught the movie that the Force partially controls ones’ actions, so it acts kind of like Fate in epics, forcing people to get together (that’s the same reason I kind of accepted a lot of minor things in TFA, like Finn taking Poe’s jacket so that it could’ve been recognized by BB8);
-what’s wrong with the Death Star having to move close to a planet to destroy it?
-we don’t know how much time they actually spend on the DS, and they use elevators too, with only Obi-wan actually moving to the core (and taking a lot to reach it);
-the exhaust port? Everything has its weakness 😄
It’s just my opinion, but the more I try to find plot holes in ANH, the more I see it was actually pretty well written.
So, out of all the starship models in existence, she learned to fly exactly the one she would eventually pilot? 😄
Yep.
Yes, just like Luke learned to fly an X-wing by flying a Skyhopper through Begger’s Canyon:-p
We were talking writing about how convinently she learns to fly SPECIFICALLY the same model as the Falcon she later pilots, not much about the fact she knows how to fly ships. In this regard, though, at least ANH states Luke can actually fly ships (and, for all we know, this Skyhopper thing could be very similar to an X-Wing, considering a rebel commander is fine with him piloting one), while in TFA it’s never stated Rey can: that’s in a novel, and not even in the movie’s one.
So, out of all the starship models in existence, she learned to fly exactly the one she would eventually pilot? 😄
I hope this simulator at least looked a bit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0778NmsDc&index=3&list=PL1UKGRwng8-PRCcm6QRXnADulUWZdMqYs or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HMu0k-NVc&feature=youtu.be&t=250
I’m confused about Luke’s map as well. At first I thought it has been specifically designed by him so that only Rey could find him, but it makes sense only if he had somehow forseen her future, which would possibly lead to more inconsistencies.
The only people talking to each other remotely in the OT were Luke, Leia (in TESB, when she was not Luke’s sister yet), and Vader. It may be it only works at close range, as Vader still has to get into the Emperor’s room to talk to him.
P.S.: Abrams talks about the map here http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
From what I understand, more than a map leading to Luke, they were going for a map leading to a specific location, possibly known by name but unmarked on any map (kind of like in AOTC).