Jetrell Fo

Moth3r said:

You could start with this, although it's several years out-of-date:
http://www.doom9.org/capture/capturing_vdub.html

Moth3r,

Thanks for the link.  I'm actually using the newest version of VirtualDub so I wonder if some of the issues with separate captures (audio/video) have been addressed.  I will keep searching as I want to make sure I get all the basic settings right otherwise a decent capture won't be worth squat.

Cheers

Capture card is installed and functioning...VirtualDub has been tested with card and is working.

Final preparations for capture test are underway.

Can anyone suggestion a quality array of settings for VirtualDub or point me in a direction?  It would help.  I want to capture in AVI and go from there.  I have an external drive ready for the task.

I am going to capture the audio separately.  I have an external sound card (EMU 0202) and it should do just fine with Adobe Audition for recording.  This should take a little pressure off of the capture card (ATI TV Wonder HD650 PCI).

I was looking @ testing ChrisTV PVR as a capture program alternative.  Has anyone had any experience with it that could provide a little insight?

I'd like my first actual capture to be something simple....I am thinking about the International Version of Life Force.  I've got it here and haven't really seen this LD available as an archive.  This way I can ease into this Star Wars project with a bit more confidence.

Looking forward to hearing suggestions.

:)

Moth3r,

Do you have a preferred set up that you use with VirtualDub that might help me get started.  Of course, I'd like to start with capturing in AVI, but I'm not sure what type of filters and such to consider when doing this.

Thanks 

In reference to the Faces LD's I have a question....is there any noticeable differences in the U.S. pressings and the Japan made for US pressings?

I have a set of each and just wondered if there is anything I'd need to look out for.

Thanks

Moth3r said:

I still recommend you try VirtualDub first, if it works. It would help to install only the drivers for the card, and no other bundled software.

Alternatives are AVI_IO, VirtualVCR, iuVCR or whatever software comes with the card.

Thanks Moth3r, I will start with VirtualDub first.  Since I've never really done anything solid like this aside from using my dedicated DVD recorder, it will be an interesting experience.

The cool thing, is that this Diamond version of the card came with the remote but not the Purple break out cable....but since I got the purple cable with the other damaged card I won't have to spring for it.....whoohoo.

Cheers......

:) 

Jetrell Fo said:

ATI TV Wonder HD 650 pci (Digital/Analog) TV Tuner

Well, while getting ready to install the Leadtek card I found the above to replace the damaged one I had.  Got it for a little less but the shipping cost was a little higher.

Anyways, I know Virtualdub seems to be a capture program of choice for a good many enthusiasts here, any other suggestions?

This will take a few days to arrive so I'd like to get prepared.  Any suggestions and what not are always appreciated.

:)

OK, the above capture card has arrived.  What capture software is best suited for a card of this type?  It has a 3D motion adaptive comb filter which I hear is pretty nice.

Thanks

JediTray said:

I think I'm going to save up and buy the DAK kit again.  I'm also thinking that, although it might be redundant, that I would try an RCA to USB converter.  My thinking is that, if my sound card was part of the problem, then the sound could be converted to digital via USB, rather than the 3/5mm input on the sound card.  The only restriction I see so far is that the one I linked to is 16 bit only.

Too many connections in the chain can cause anomalies in the audio...degradation of signal and such.  You want to keep as straight a connection as you can.  An external sound card with a USB connection would be a better solution.

Kneel before Zod!!!!!!!!!

;)

Mielr said:

 

Jetrell Fo said:

Mielr said:

 

Jetrell Fo said:

Using a stand alone CD burner along with a turntable might yield better results for you and then you could take the audio to your PC and tweak it there.

When I record, I never let the audio clip....

That's what I do too- I've had good results. When you say you never let the audio "clip" do you mean you never let it go into the red?

 

Correct............

:)

Could you please explain that a bit more- I'm interested in your process.

I'm careful with my levels (now), I only let things flirt with the red briefly- no more than once or twice per song (am I doing wrong?).

I always play things first and then lower the level on the CD recorder the amount of dbs necessary before recording. Most of my LPs and 45s end up being about -3 or -4 dbs. Most of my cassettes are homemade and the levels are all over the place, so I sometimes have to adjust levels as I'm recording, very often the louder segments end up being -7 or -8 dbs. Time consuming!!!!

 

I have an external sound card and a tube pre-amp. 

I adjust the pre-amp for gain and then I use louder tracks on the vinyl to adjust the sound card while keeping an eye in adobe audition.  Once I get the louder tracks recording levels adjusted I usually am able to find my safety zone.  I never let anything go in the red but that is preference.  I believe once or twice here and there isn't an issue as you can compensate for that later but I prefer to try and limit any digital/software processing by adjusting the hardware so it can do what it is made to do.......

You could ask someone here with much more experience than some of us here to see if they'd have the time and willing to do a capture of your vinyl.  Maybe someone here you've worked with that you would trust....and offer to pay for shipping of the vinyl both ways.

I know it's not the most optimal solution but it could provide an solution that benefits everyone and saves you money for things you need in these tough times.

Just a thought anyways.....

Something else to know in case you go the receiver route.......

The output from a receiver is normally not affected by the volume control and the line input to most sound cards goes straight to the mixer so there's a possible case of overload. You could need a separate volume control between the receiver and the sound card.

satanika said:

Nerfherder said:

digital processing (if any) LAST! Not the other way around. Digital trickery cannot be a substitute for the original sound with a decent turntable...

Hehe..

I know what you mean but I can't help but smile at this since the whole point is to digitize the LPs... Which is definitely digital processing.. ;)

Agreed on this as well....you want the most natural sound the LP can provide because most of the time they can sound far better than any CD....I get giddy over the ritual of pulling out the album and looking at the sleeve, putting the vinyl on the table and dropping in the needle.....it's just awesome.

:)

JediTray said:

Oh, I'm a 70's child and I know all about LP's.  :)  I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible to see if I can defeat the noise before attempting to do it again.  I deleted all the recordings I made out of frustration, except a couple records by Sprawl (WAV) and The Cure (FLAC).

Here's a sampling, two tracks from each:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TLQUI9W4

I downloaded this and looked at "Primary" in wav format using Adobe Audition....your recording level is a bit high....I noticed clipping all the way through the track...that could cause issue as well.

I find it best to record no higher than maybe somewhere between -6 to -3 decibels....it's far simpler to give it a boost then try to bring it down and still have it sound pleasing.

:)

Mielr said:

 

JediTray said:

I lost my home theater in the divorce, so I don't have the means to go the receiver route unless I want to buy it, a recorder, and a turntable.  What do you do, just record via the receiver, then do your tweaking with the resulting files from the CD?

***EDIT***

I see it was answered.  :)

I see now that it's a whole integrated system. I'm curious if you'd get different results without the computer involved in the recording process, but I guess that's not an option for you right now.

Yeah, I'm in the process of converting a lot of LPs and audio cassettes to CD thru my stereo receiver. My cassette deck came with a built-in digital noise filter (Pioneer CT-05D) which helps a lot with the cassettes as most of them are 30+ years old and were recorded without any type of Dolby. I haven't done any tweaking at all with the LP recordings yet, and I may not if I don't have any major problems with pops and clicks.

 

Be careful, it's always a possibility that your receiver may be re-sampling your audio signal.

Mielr said:

 

Jetrell Fo said:

Using a stand alone CD burner along with a turntable might yield better results for you and then you could take the audio to your PC and tweak it there.

When I record, I never let the audio clip....

That's what I do too- I've had good results. When you say you never let the audio "clip" do you mean you never let it go into the red?

 

Correct............

:)

Using a stand alone CD burner along with a turntable might yield better results for you and then you could take the audio to your PC and tweak it there.

When I record, I never let the audio clip.  I try to keep the process as simple as possible....it helps me narrow down issues if I'm having them.

:)

It sounds like you keep good care of your stuff so that's straight.  Even though the equipment was new it doesn't mean that nothing was wrong upon arrival.  The possibility is still there. 

Expensive equipment doesn't always mean awesome transfer.... anyone pushing that is delirious for sure.  Maybe you should do a little recon at local thrift stores and see what kind of turntables you find, you'd be surprised what you can find for cheap.  

boba feta said:

What the condition of your needle? I'm sure a new one wouldn't hurt.

He sent the kit he bought back to DAK.  It is possible that the equipment was defective....maybe the cartridge....electronic equipment is sooooo sensitive...it can even be fubar'd prior to shipping.

Usually just the basic pop, click, and such.  Adobe Audition happens to have a variety of filters for audio restoration.

For clicks/pops, I suggest ClickRepair.  It's probably one of the finer automated ways to clean up those noises. 

I also use an external sound card to minimize noise from the PC case.  EMU 0202 by Creative.  It does 24/96 easily.  In my recording line I have a custom tube pre-amp for the assist.  Let me see if I can dig up some links for you.

:)

Just a heads up....when it comes to pristine vinyl.  The grooves can hold junk that won't show up on the surface even if they've been kept hidden away.  A good brushing and Gruv Glide II can even help things out....this is just an fyi. 

Adobe Audition is good software for vinyl rips.  Cleaning the vinyl prior to capturing also helps greatly as it helps minimalize the noise.  A well grounded turntable is also a plus. 

These are basic suggestions.  I hope they help some.

Harmy said:

Actually, there was  no 97 SE HD broadcast. And I think Wookiegroomer released some BD sized versions of the 2004 SE with some basic colour correction. The thing is though that the largest HDTV capture of SW available is under 20GB, so blowing it up to BD is kinda pointless. If you're looking for a larger sized file, there is Ady's ESB (which is a colour corrected reconstruction of the 97 SE) as a 16GB mkv but I don't know about anything else. But believe me, a 50GB BD is a really pointless download right now.

Harmy,

Thanks for the response.  For some reason I thought the HD broadcasts were the 97 SE and I'm not sure why.  Maybe I've just read to many threads concerning the HD broadcasts that I got lost...........stranger things have been known to happen to me.

I have Ady's ESB in AVCHD.  As for the Bluray, I guess I was referring to the 16GB versions of the broadcasts.  

I'll have to try and get DJ's discs and check them out.

Thanks again....

:)    

Does anyone here have just the color-corrected (no edits) HD Broadcast of the 97 SE's (the blu-ray sized ones) and may be willing to work something out so that someone like myself could have and enjoy them?

I don't have a Blu-ray burner but I'd prefer the larger sized ones over the AVCHD for my own viewing pleasure.

Thanks....

:)

Chewtobacca said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Chewtobacca said:

There is no NTSC for AVCHD; nonetheless, PM sent. 

I'm watching an NTSC (or at least a Region 0) AVCHD version of this right now...  ;)

No; you are not.

Chewtobacca,

Thanks for the clarification....I I was obviously mistaken.

;)

Harmy said:

 

Finished the new version of the covers:

 

 

 

 

I like these WAY better.............

:)

Moth3r said:

Yes, there's no way to tell the re-issue apart from actually playing it.

The first pressing is missing several seconds of footage from Disc 2, Side 3 of The Empire Strikes Back. The reissued disc starts with Leia welding, sparks and all, while the defective pressing starts with Leia hanging up her welding gear.

I imagine it's a bit late now to ask Fox to provide a corrected version!

LMAO @ Moth3r.....thanks for the giggle.  I DID watch the set earlier today and it does have the "sparks and all" that you speak of so I feel better.  I knew people mentioned that particular footage in other posts, I just wanted to make sure that I knew what I was looking for.

:)

captainsolo,

Thanks for the response.  What I guess I need unless someone here has it or knows for sure is this,

"The Definitive Collection Flaw List"

All info says to e-mail Ed.....but I don't know if that e-mail address is even valid anymore.

:)