Jetrell Fo

I've got 3 different versions of the SE LD set....1 U.S. and both Japan sets...I'll have to check ANH on the second Japan pressing to see how it looks.  I do like how the VHS looks more natural in those scenes.  Maybe it's time to pull out my VHS as well...I've got a decent enough machine with TBC to do something with them.

I wonder what it would look like if the two were combined?  Maybe there could be a happy medium?

Thanks for the caps..... 

Yeah, I was working on a transfer of the LDs and was just going to grab the side changes from the VHS if necessary-turns out the VHS looks more balanced on ANH.

Are there any known missing scene changes on the S.E. LD's?  I've been watching my Japan ones and I didn't think I saw any.

Which Wide-screen VHS set did you use, this set.....

OR......

........this one?

Moth3r said:

For post-processing, you'll probably want IVTC, maybe some sort of colour adjustment using levels or HSV adjust, and perhaps some noise reduction (smoother). To be honest, I'm not really up on the latest options in VDub, I switched to using AviSynth years ago which is much more powerful.

So would IVTC be the last added or the first in the scenario you describe?  I'm going to have to get comfortable now that I'm finally diving in a bit.  It does seem that AviSynth has a lot more possibilities than Vdub does.

:)

Right now I'm doing a test run using just the 3 things you suggested above on Side A of the capture.  I didn't use the V-DNR from the Pioneer nor did I use the NR for Vdub during the capture.  I'm using Huffy for the compression so with all 3 sides I ended up with approximately 50GB of data.

So the fun begins.......

@ DJ

I'll attempt some AVS once I feel comfortable with Vdub....probably best to start small and work my way up. 

:)

Big thanks for the responses.

I've got a 1TB drive just for this.  What was worrying me most is really the side flips....I didn't want to be missing a fade or something when I connect them together.

Example...

When I get to the end of Side A, the last visible frame is the one I make my end cut at.  Beginning of Side B, the first visible scene I mark and then go all the way to the end of that side and again cut the last visible scene I see.

I'm recording 1 side at a time and then I go back and trim each one separately so I can put them all together at the end.

Is that confusing?  I think I lost myself......LMAO

If I was able to get AviSynth to show up in Windows XP Pro to use it I probably would have started there but every time I try to install it ..... it is nowhere to be found for me to access.  I got lost on the issue and gave up.

Thanks Moth3r

Okay,

When trimming separate files captured from LD so they match up and don't have any missing pieces, how and what do I look for to make sure there are no gaps in scenes from captures of each individual side of the disc?

Thanks in advance.

:)

TV's Frink said:

Jetrell Fo said:

dark_jedi said:

TV's Frink said:

ibleedspeed said:

i posted it here because dark jedi locked the other thread.

Congratulations dark_jedi on your elevation to forum moderator!

;-)

 

OH and bleedspeed, good luck on your edit, your gonna need it.

We are all here to share and enjoy edits, information, and experience so that others wanting to try and help or create can do so.  I am not trying to be mean here but as a moderator the above statement doesn't seem conducive to a positive atmosphere.  It's great that you got a promotion here DJ, I know you have experience in the editing department so I know it's a plus to the forum.

I'm just saying.

Jetrell, I think you need to read the thread again.  Pay special attention to the winky, as well as the part of dark_jedi's quote that you cut out.

Well, I missed winky, LMMFAO, I'm going goofy.....I need a break.

Thanks for the heads up on the miss.

:)

dark_jedi said:

TV's Frink said:

ibleedspeed said:

i posted it here because dark jedi locked the other thread.

Congratulations dark_jedi on your elevation to forum moderator!

;-)

 

OH and bleedspeed, good luck on your edit, your gonna need it.

We are all here to share and enjoy edits, information, and experience so that others wanting to try and help or create can do so.  I am not trying to be mean here but as a moderator the above statement doesn't seem conducive to a positive atmosphere.  It's great that you got a promotion here DJ, I know you have experience in the editing department so I know it's a plus to the forum.

I'm just saying.

@ bleedspeed,

I don't know you so I'm not going to assume anything.  I know it isn't always easy not to take things personal.  Moving on would be the best option in this situation.  Responses can be taken the wrong way and written the wrong way....it happens and we all make mistakes.  If you feel you are in someway being hassled, calmly and tactfully report it so the admin can deal with it appropriately...probably the best way to handle it.

Just my opinion anyways...I'm not trying to be mean to either side.

Okay,

I upgraded my desktop a bit so I now have an AMD X2 Phenom BE and 4GB's of ram.  I also added a new 1TB drive connected via SATA just for video projects.  I'm using the composite connection from my Pioneer DVL-90 Elite to the composite of my Diamond ATI T.V. Wonder 650 Pro PCI capture card.

I'm using Virtual Dub for capture.  What I'd like to understand is pre and post processing filters, which order they should be used in, and if anyone has personal scripts that they've designed for noise reduction, color balancing, sharpening, and what not?  I've gone to the most common links for filters and found some decent stuff but learning to work with them can be trying as I'm sure most could attest to when they first started.

I'm capturing in AVI and would prefer to do as little post processing as possible before creating a DVD.

Any assistance would be most appreciated

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

the Rebellion CollectioN is off the hook, I wish I can own a copy of it.

Check your pm.

As I was perusing the innerweb I started to see some references regarding video proc amps as a way to get a nicer picture to start out with.  My Pioneer DVL-90 Elite is by no means a top of the line player.  It's composite connection gives a cleaner picture than the S-Video but I do notice what I believe is gamma noise when I use my Panasonic DMR-EA18 Recorder for transfer.

Is it the machine itself that is causing the "static-like" interference that might benefit from such a device, I'm not sure.  I'd like to understand how to figure it out these kind of things.

Would something like the Elite BVP4 be worth acquiring to do an LD transfer with?  I don't really know much about proc amps but I would think a basic transfer would benefit from such a device.

Maybe, what I need, is to pair up with someone who is interested and willing to share in this project who has more technical skill than I do.  The basic transfer is easy....it's all the script (AVIsynth, Virtualdub) stuff that gets me spooked and makes me hesitant.

LeeThorogood said:

Ah ok, still not sure why you posted it here though seems kind of random to me LOL I would have thought it more appropriate to post about it in your own Jedi Archive thread. ;) Personally I have no experience with Pro Amps so I can't advice your either way. Sorry. :(

I wasn't trying to be random.  With all the color discussion I honestly did think it might relate somewhat....my apologies.  I'll delete my comments and take them to my own thread.

Again, I'm sorry.

***comments moved to appropriate thread***

Moved to my own thread.

Moved to my own thread.

OmegaMattman said:

Did my pm go through?  Were the pics satisfactory?  Shots 3 and 5 were the ones that were difficult to get the exact frame for ..... I don't know if I was doing something wrong with DGIndex...I hope they helped. 

The problem with grapping frame-accurate screenshots for SW may be the chapter branching I used to add the '81 opening.  There are duplicates of the first 3 chapters.

If you still aren't able to get the right screengrabs, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

PM sent.

Moth3r said:

msycamore said:

Moth3r said:

Can anyone help fill in the MattmanOmega and DJ V3 release details & screenshots? Also planning on adding Lee's technicolour project when complete.

I can fix the DJ V3 for you if someone else haven't done that already?

Yes please.

JF - thanks.

Did my pm go through?  Were the pics satisfactory?  Shots 3 and 5 were the ones that were difficult to get the exact frame for ..... I don't know if I was doing something wrong with DGIndex...I hope they helped. 

Moth3r said:

Thanks for the offer of help, if you could put all the shots into one zip file and upload them somewhere that'd be great.

The shot above is the wrong frame - you might need to add 15 onto each frame number to account for the blank cell at the beginning of the first VOB file. Also can I have the untouched 720x480 screens, so that I can resize them using exactly the same method as the others for consistency?

You have a pm.

:)

TV's Frink said:

Dude, it's going on five years....

I know I found it kind of strange too.  I did see this game for sale on eBay for $30.00USD too.  Has anyone ever transferred this?

Darth Mallwalker said:

 

hairy_hen said:

The smear-free '93 colouring is making me think of the '92 vhs tape that I grew up watching; it seems very familiar in that way.

Did you read Asaki a few days ago, when he noticed the 2 burn marks in the Tantive corridor on his recently acquired VHS? Wasn't that a '92 too?

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9z4xe_opening-previews-to-star-wars-1992_shortfilms

I hadn't seen this in awhile....not the greatest quality but fun.

Moth3r said:

I actually used a different set of shots for the Custom DVD comparison.

http://moth3r.heliohost.org/dvd-screens.htm

Frames 4626, 5130, 7255, 11070, 26317 and 70943.

Jetrell, can you use DGIndex to export the raw frame as a BMP?

Okay, I figured out myself how to use it....only issue is there were like 2 shots I think where I couldn't get at the exact frame but I have all 5 .bmp's.

Where would you like me to post them?

Moth3r said:

 

Can anyone help fill in the MattmanOmega and DJ V3 release details & screenshots? Also planning on adding Lee's technicolour project when complete.

I've got the MattmanOmega set burned already...which screen caps would you like to see available?

pupil said:

I also hope to collect all of the available mixes for each film (in FLAC for the 2.0 mixes and AC3 for the 5.1 mixes). I'll post when they're ready, could be a few months away yet though.

For any audio that is lossy there would be no gain from a FLAC conversion if they are 320kbps or below.  All it would do is make the file size bigger.  Just a thought anyways. 

LeeThorogood said:

Dunedain, thanks for the feedback. :D

So I started rendering the colour corrected version last night and man it is taking sooooo much longer this time! Previously my iMac would render out the whole film at 576p overnight, at 2k or 2x576p its taken over night just to do up to the end of the garage scene! I hope this is a good sign that the end result will be a better quality than previously. :)

Before I do a DVD release what I thought I might do is upload a H.264 MKV to the newsgroup that people can download and watch then feedback over how the colour correction looks in motion and if there are any problems of glitches I might have missed. This way I can try and fix them before I do the final release in the form of a DVD9 image.

This is kind of you.  It's a win/win for everyone interested.

Thanks Lee, for all that you have done and are doing.

:)

I always get a little giddy when I see comparisons like this....

zombie84 said:

The crawl will always look green. This is because that shot is not red shifted like the rest of film, so it just gets the green boosted. That shot is tacked on to the GOUT so it doesn't have the red problem. So, get the crawl right and the rest of the film won't look correct if you are just using one setting. I would say, do a custom setting for the crawl and leave the rest of the film the way you have it.

You know it's gotta be a hack job when even the fans can tell 2 different sources were used for the same crappy transfer......makes you wonder if the upcoming Bluray releases will be more of this same shoddy workmanship to fool the masses with.

It always makes me wonder if all GL's verbal subterfuge and re-editing of everything including his own words regarding his life, the history of all his films, and everything last thing connected to them is just due to him not wanting to share creative credit, monetary credit, or the joy with anyone but himself....and maybe Spielberg.....so sad.