Jetrell Fo

Considering that the VHS versions of these 2 movies aren't as readily available does anyone know if they represent the Theatrical prints or the DVD adjusted versions?

rnranimal said:

Jetrell Fo said:

GOOD NEWS!!!!

TESB DTS ISO's are now uploaded.  They'll be making their way to the newsgroups soon.  I've sent out links to some of you who I know have been waiting for them....check your pm box.

:)

 

Thanks for the patience.

 

there's one showing up on usenet that says "movie-only". is this not the ISO like SW?

btw, extraction with winamp 2.92 under wine in Snow Leopard is working

That may be msycamore's reference video you're seeing...anything audio only should say just that....

ElDonante said:

Hey,

borisanddoris did the rip using WinAmp and a DTS decoder, which decoded the DTS reel discs to wave.  After the audio was in a format that I could work with, I just adjusted the levels, spliced the reels together with frame accuracy using Audacity, then exported losslessly.

The fully detailed tutorial is in the thread, which lists the free and/or open source tools that I used, but the hard part is the manual splicing process.  You can use any tools that do the job, but this is the step by step of what needs to be done.

1) Decode DTS to WAV.
2) Determine the destination and resample the resolution and/or adjust the framerate of the audio (for instance, if the destination will be Blu-ray, then you'll convert to 48KHz resolution at 23.976fps).
3) Merge the reels together.
4) Edit out the duplicate parts.
5) Playback the movie while the audio is playing to ensure proper synchronization.
6) Export losslessly (to WAV).
7) Convert to your format of choice (there are free/open tools to convert to Dolby, but DTS is harder to work with.  I only use free or open tools, so I had to send it off to borisanddoris to be encoded to DTS, likely using the DTS Encoder Suite which costs a pretty penny).

8) Rip your video source.
9) Demultiplex the video from the container.
10) Multiplex the video from your video source with the audio from the DTS source.
11) Convert the outputted video to your favorite means of transport media (I prefer not to use discs, so I export to MKV).
12) Press play, crank it till you hear the horns pierce your eardrums, then set it back 2 ticks, and enjoy! 

This came from Eldonante.....I hope this helps people....

borisanddoris said:

Wait, we have the entire OT?

Either way, giddieup!!!

We do now.....  :)

AOTC audio ISO's have been uploaded today....

Cheers!!!!

budwhite said:

What versions are these synced with?

They aren't synched with anything yet....it is just the audio.....

GOOD NEWS!!!!

TESB DTS ISO's are now uploaded.  They'll be making their way to the newsgroups soon.  I've sent out links to some of you who I know have been waiting for them....check your pm box.

:)

Thanks for the patience.

bilditup1 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

bilditup1 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I saw this today over at the 35mm forum.....

Star Wars New Hope $995.00

No other info posted about it though....anyone with extra change lying around may want to inquire and jump on it.

:)

It's in the Halloween for Sale thread.....

they still didn't approve me for that yet. who do you have to know to get in there!?

It took me 2 tries to get in......seems the atmosphere is quiet and casual so maybe they miss the requests they get....LOL

 

And they weren't annoyed by that? Did you at least use diff emails, or do they really not care?

-e

 

I figure my request may have gotten lost actually.  The conversations are minimal but informative but it doesn't seem very busy.  

CapableMetal said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I'm still hoping you'll take a crack at all the ones we have that can be accessed this way....only one odd is ROTS.  ;)

I'm still going to do them, I was just thinking about keeping them for my own use. Its nice to see everyone is having a go at this, it means that we should soon have some nice mixes to work with.

I've been taking a look at ROTJ but until I've downloaded a few broadcast versions of the Special Edition for frame-accuracy comparisons its going to be hard.

The only change I can think they made, apart from shoving Hayden in, is the addition of Naboo to the victory celebration. Luckily its the last reel, but until we have a frame-accurate source then accurate sync may be difficult.

Any word on the availability of the ATOC and TESB discs yet?

I am working on uploading TESB now....AOTC soon after, hopefully.  As long as all goes well....they should both be available soon.

EDIT:  Uppit is giving me some issue...uploads failed, I will try again tomorrow.  Sorry.

CapableMetal said:

rnranimal said:

thanks for the info. at the moment i only have wine installed on my Mac, so i'll start with that.

actually i do have a 5 year old Dell laptop in my closet. it no longer connects to the internet, so hasn't had updates in a few years. but i'll download the software to my Mac and take it over on a thumb drive and see how that works. 

You'll get it going just fine then! I first extracted them on my old Dell Inspiron from 2006 ;)

I've decided not to bother uploading any processed/sync'ed versions for ROTJ or TPM as many so many want to do it themselves (as did I in the first place!). I'm still going do them and keep tinkering (of course!) and share anything useful should I encounter it.

I'm still hoping you'll take a crack at all the ones we have that can be accessed this way....only one odd is ROTS.  ;)

I am working on uploading TESB & AOTC ISO's as we speak....they will be available later this evening....maybe sooner.

:)

I found this little blurb for syncing the audio in Sony Vegas with Video....

the easy way is with vegas i think

put the movie on the time line and drop all the waves on the time line in thier respective channel spots ...

group all wav files together ..

hit control and drag the end of the audio so it matchs lenth of video .

fine tune and adjust as needed (turn off frame quantization for this)

save out new wavs , select render to mono wav (will save and auto name each channel)

rnranimal said:

does anyone know of a way to decode the raw files on Mac?

second question, is there not an LFE in the DTS mix?

To answer your first question....Switch.

To answer your second question please read this.....

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-1997-DTS-CD-ROMs/post/598542/#TopicPost598542

And this.......

http://www.film-tech.com/warehouse/manuals/DTSSTUDIOMIX.pdf

I hope it helps some.  Google can be such a pain in the arse at times.....  :)

What we ALL should be happy about is that there are others out there, besides us, that WANT what we want when it comes to the OT....and the cool thing about THOSE people.....they got some star power.

I do not want this to get turned on it's head even before it gets out of the gate.  Good on Harmy for getting such a fine compliment from someone famous who not only appreciates....but GETS it.

:)

Free Hat said:

 

Simon Pegg gives a shout out to the Despecialized Edition on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/simonpegg

Just watched Star Wars Despecialized. A less than official Blu-Ray of the original theatrical version with no additions. Glorious and pure.

Saw stuff in Star Wars Despecialized that I hadn't seen in years. Colours and characters erased by tampering. Made me feel like a kid again.

And one of the truly beautiful moments? Greedo getting it in the guts, just for being a smug bastard. #dontfuckwithmrsolo

No Jabba, no Jawas falling off fucking dinosaurs, no digital corrections. No flying robots. All crystal clear old skool glory.

 

Congrats Harmy....well deserved for sure.

:)

I have received some pm's lately regarding the audio.  If anyone here wants the links to the disc ISO's who either doesn't have them already or doesn't have access to the newsgroups for whatever reason, pm me, and I will send you the links.

I want to make sure these are available to anyone who wants them or needs them for a project of their own.

What I have uploaded are the ISO's to the actual discs.  The audio on them is what's on the discs.  There are folks here working on processing the audio because it is of interest to the entire community when it comes to preservation projects surrounding the 1997 SE Trilogy and Theatrical versions of the PT.

If you want or need assistance with processing please search these topics as we've had some great insight and assistance in these matters and we don't want to clutter up the threads with the same questions.

Thanks for your time.....here's looking forward to the completion of some great projects by some passionate people.

Cheers!!!! 

CapableMetal said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

I've been using SoX for SRC. By many accounts it's the best freeware solution, and second only to iZotope in the non-free category.

I've gone 44100 --> 48048 with SoX. Then using a hex editor, change 48048 to 48000 into the WAV header so it plays at the right speed.

[My reasoning 48048 is an integer, while "44056" is rounded from 44055.9440559...]

I'll be interested to hear your results. The difference may only be marginal, but if it provides a perfect sync then its certainly worth a go.

Last night I did change the sample rate to 44056 with a SRC to 48000 using iZotope, and it did sync up to the source video nicely (provided the first frame of the "Star Wars" title card is at frame 711, as has been mentioned in the standards thread). Listening back I've heard what sounded at first like artifacts resulting from part of the processing, but actually turned out to be in the original files, which makes me wonder whether they are a result of the Winamp plugin, the Apt-X compression or something else.

Anyway, my sync is done. I ended up with a 24-bit FLAC file (I was against bit depth conversion at first, but Audition forces anything that has been processed to 32-bit. Trimming and cropping is fine, but mixing the overlap counts as processing...). I'll upload the results to MySpleen later, as its now a 1.4GB Flac file ;)

Capable, what is you first impression of this soundtrack as a whole, so far?  Does the DTS offer any improvements or is it average?  As for the artifacts...what is it that you're noticing?  More drop-outs?        

bilditup1 said:

newsgroups, right?

Yes

I want to thank CapableMetal for the assistance and knowledge he's brought to the table and shared.  The audio stuff can be just as complicated as the video end of things and when we get folks who have experience they share, our anxiety over projects can sometimes blind us (unintentionally), to what it's taken to get all of these projects moving and finished.

Cheers

I don't see any reason why there couldn't be both...to make it easier for those in the respective areas of the world.  I mean, we've got people doing video, people doing audio, people doing subtitle translation for different parts of the world......there is a lot of resource here to benefit everyone.

:) 

bilditup1 said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I saw this today over at the 35mm forum.....

Star Wars New Hope $995.00

No other info posted about it though....anyone with extra change lying around may want to inquire and jump on it.

:)

It's in the Halloween for Sale thread.....

they still didn't approve me for that yet. who do you have to know to get in there!?

It took me 2 tries to get in......seems the atmosphere is quiet and casual so maybe they miss the requests they get....LOL

I saw this today over at the 35mm forum.....

Star Wars New Hope $995.00

Good Polyester Print with Good Color. (only description I got about the print)

....anyone with extra change lying around may want to inquire and jump on it.

:)

It's in the Halloween for Sale thread.....

Whomever did the artwork actually used one of Rikter's sets to base it on, for continuity.  I'm just guessing here but the person who uploaded the torrent might be the person to contact.

point5 said:

Hi, Would anyone have the full-sized version of this cover? The name of the file is LD -  Anamorphic Version 4 - The Holiday Special.jpg and it is 2.62 Mb. The torrent for it on MySpleen has not been seeded for a long time and is dead.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/grantalias/Star%20Wars%20Covers/LD-AnamorphicVersion4-TheHolidaySpecialLowRes.jpg

I went as far back as my "Laserman" disc for artwork and I could not find this version and I have quite a bit of artwork stored.  It's definately part of a Rikter collection (due to it's naming scheme)...maybe updated a fair time after the Laserman disc.....I'm sorry I cannot help. 

Okay....I want to get this posted for all of you who've downloaded the ISO's and now don't know what to do with them...Forum member CapableMetal has kindly sent me a tutorial to describe what he has done with these files for use. I'm going to post it here as a tied-you-over if you want to try somethings while we await the work borisanddoris and Eldonante are working on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You need the in_APTX.dll plugin for Winamp and Winamp 2.91 (the later versions don't recognise the plugin so cannot work). You then need to configure the output in Winamp from the DirectSound module to the Disk Writer. You then need to load the AUD file you're copying for the reel into the playlist, select mono track mode and just press play (important: only once!).

I had the Disk Writer output the WAV file to the desktop of my old laptop (its running XP, so I used it to ensure i didn't get compatibility errors, but as long as Winamp 2.91 works in later versions of Windows it should all work perfectly) and renamed the file so I knew which part it was (anh_r1_fR.wav, for ANH Reel 1 Front Right, for example) and kept doing it until I had ripped all channels of all reels separately. Then I opened up Sound Forge 10 (although any WAV editor that can handle 5.1 should work; I use Sound Forge and Adobe Audition as I have actually had training as a performance sound engineer for live theatre) and dragged each channel into place.

This is where I realised that the channels output by the AptX plugin were all wrong, I noted the correct mapping for ANH and am guessing for the rest of the trilogy, as they're mastered by the same studio.

This is how I label the channels for the sake of quicker reference: Front Left (fL), Front Right (fR), Center (C), Surround Left (sL), Surround Right (sR) fL = fL fR = sL C = C sL = sR sR = fR The values left of = are what the AptX plugin thinks they are and the right is where the channels actually belong.

When you create a 5.1 file in Sound Forge they are listed in the order of 1=fL, 2=fR, 3=C, 4=LFE, 5=sL, 6=sR, so you just mix them together putting the correct WAV to the correct channel. At this point I copied and pasted the sL and sR into a new 2.0 WAV and performed a low pass filter cutting all frequencies above 80Hz, and performed a channel conversion down to mono.

Then I copied and pasted the mono file to channel 4 (LFE) in the 5.1 file. Next, save all your files to a format that supports 5.1 (WAV's can be saved as 5.1 but can be awkward for compatibility; I saved mine as Sony w64 files but FLAC or any lossless format supported by Audition CS6 would suffice), and open them into an Audition CS6 5.1 mix.

At this point you need a Sync source video saved to a compatible format, like a MOV or uncompressed; Audition seems to hate x264's AVC video and won't open MKV files, so I saved my capture with the Lagarith Lossless RGB codec to AVI, which are BIG files, but if you shrink your video to something like 640x288 it will play nicely and be smaller. Using the 2.0 audio from my laser disc, I slid each reel into place and matched the peaks at the END of each reel, as close to the end that I could find matching waveforms and zoomed in to align them as closely as possible.

I then had to rate-stretch them to the right length so they matched up at the start. I did this for all reels, cropping the end and beginning "beeps" from each one and rendered them under stretch properties as Rendered (High Quality), Polyphonic to preserve pitch.

After many hours of it 'Rendering', you will be able to mixdown to a 5.1, I choose FLAC. I must point out at this point that converting these files to any DTS format would likely be overkill. DTS-HD MA has a large size and will be hundreds of megs larger than a FLAC file. FLAC will happily encode to 16-bit, 44KHz, as the DTS discs seem to be, encoding to normal DTS will slightly compress them again, and encoding to DTS-HD will offer no performance gains. It would probably need to be upsampled to 24-bit, 48KHz (at least), which cannot serve to make it sound better but probably only worse.

I read the Wiki page for theater DTS, and it mentions the 24-bit timecode, which has nothing to do with the actual audio bit-rate (same way video uses the SMPTE time code, which is 80-bits, whereas the video is likely around 10-bits). I'm fairly convinced, due to the age of the discs, that 16-bit 44KHz is their format and it would be best to keep it that way.

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PLZ, read this carefully as it explains something I read & posted about briefly in regards to the Winamp plugin not mapping the channels properly. CapableMetal will be on vacation for a bit so he probably won't be doing any further work until mid October. He has said the he's done versions of ANH & ROTJ from the ISO's he downloaded. Folks are waiting for me to get TESB up....it will be up soon. I will shoot for end of the week. Cheers!!!! :) :)