JennyS1138

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Join date: 29-Jun-2005
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Post: #161567
Topic: The Star Wars Saga - From a newcomer's point of view
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161567/action/topic#161567
Time: 7-Dec-2005 4:07 PM

How could anyone say that the original funny Star Wars movies are slow and boring and the CSpan nature of the PT not boring? There is almost no humor in the prequels at all. Give me Mark, Harrison and Carrie over Hayden, Natalie and Ewan any day! (although Ewan was very good in Sith)

Post: #161562
Topic: ROTS: Best actor?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161562/action/topic#161562
Time: 7-Dec-2005 4:00 PM

Is Sith any worse than Titanic though? What about Gloria Stuart getting a nomination for her small part in that film? And James Cameron is as bad a writer as Georgie boy.

Post: #161189
Topic: What species is Yoda anyway?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161189/action/topic#161189
Time: 6-Dec-2005 5:01 PM

Does anyone find it weird that basically every single creature's species is identified except Yoda's? What the heck is he anyway? Did he have parents? Did they live to be 900? Maybe the midichlorians created him. Yoda needs a backstory damn it!

Post: #161182
Topic: What are the worst lines of dialogue from the 6 SW films?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/161182/action/topic#161182
Time: 6-Dec-2005 4:40 PM

Wow, everyone's come up with some pretty bad quotes. Some are so bad they're funny and others are so bad they're painful. Here are some more that I don't like. Some of these might be slightly off since I don't know Menace and Clones as well as the other 4.

Menace:

Palpatine: We shall follow your career with great interest

Anakin: They blow you up!

Qui-Gon:He can see things before they happen
(really? why didn't we get to see that)

Watto: Jedi mind tricks don't work on me. Only money!
(how convenient)

Queen Amidala: You muzdo something
(she's supposed to say you must do something but that's what it sounded like)

Clones:

Obiwan: Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?

Sith:

battle droid: You're welcome!
droid (to r2) Hey you!
(why do all the droids sound like the chipmunks in this movie?)

Palpatine: Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy!!! And.we.shall.have..........peace (evil smile)
(I dunno if it was the way he delivered it or whatever, but it came out so weird it was funny)

Bail: My wife and I can take the girl. We've always talked about adopting a baby girl. She will be loved.
(too convenient)

Bail: What's going on here?
Clone: There's been a rebellion. I'm sorry sir, it's time for you to leave.
Bail: And so it is.

Post: #160833
Topic: Which of these events are most likely to happen?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160833/action/topic#160833
Time: 5-Dec-2005 4:58 PM

Which of these unlikely events is most likely to take place? I just put a poll up for this topic.

Post: #160831
Topic: THE Most Awesome Scene in Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160831/action/topic#160831
Time: 5-Dec-2005 4:55 PM

I love the way he died in A Lost Hope too! That is so funny.

Post: #160804
Topic: What are the worst lines of dialogue from the 6 SW films?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160804/action/topic#160804
Time: 5-Dec-2005 2:51 PM

From Return of the Jedi

Leia: "I- I can't tell you."
Han: "What you told Luke, is that who you could tell?"
Leia: "I!!!"
Han: Ah...I'm sorry
Leia Hold me!

Post: #160803
Topic: What are the worst lines of dialogue from the 6 SW films?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160803/action/topic#160803
Time: 5-Dec-2005 2:49 PM

From Sith:

Padme: "Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"

Yoda: "Not if anything to say about it I have."

Palpatine: "The darkside of the force is the pathway to many abilities some consider unnatural." (being a Jedi ain't natural either)

Palpatine: "Learn to know the darkside."

Padme: "So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause"

Anakin: "If you're not with me, you're my enemy"
Obiwan: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
(um, so do Jedi)

Anakin Skywalker: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
Count Dooku: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.

Padme: Hold me, Ani! Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo!

Anakin: You are so... beautiful.
Padme: It's only because I'm so in love.
Anakin: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.
Padme: So love has blinded you?
Anakin: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant.
Padme: But it's probably true.

Post: #160801
Topic: What are the worst lines of dialogue from the 6 SW films?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160801/action/topic#160801
Time: 5-Dec-2005 2:37 PM

Here are mine........

ANY line spoken by Jar Jar Binks. Also:

From Phantom Menace:
Obi-Wan: But Master Yoda says I should be mindful of the future.

Yoda: Everything! Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you.

C-3PO: I beg your pardon, but what do you mean, "naked?"
C-3PO: My parts are showing? Oh, my goodness, oh!

Shmi Skywalker: There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can't explain what happened.

Obi-Wan: Why do I get the feeling that we've picked up another pathetic life form?

Sebulba: You're Bantha poodoo!

any line about Midichlorians

From Attack of the Clones
Anakin: I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM.

Obi-Wan: Be mindful of your thoughts Anakin. They'll betray you.

Anakin: It's all Obi-Wan's fault. He's jealous. He's holding me back.

Anakin: Don't be afraid.
Padme: I'm not afraid to die. I've been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life.
Anakin: What are you talking about?
Padme: I love you.
Anakin: You love me? I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we'd be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.
Padme: I think our lives are about to be destroyed anyway. I truly... deeply... love you and before we die I want you to know.
(gag)

Anakin: From the moment I met you, all those years ago, not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of you. And now that I'm with you again... I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you- I can't breath. I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating... hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me... what can I do?- I will do anything you ask.

Anakin: ... if you are suffering as much as I am, PLEASE, tell me.

Anakin:Just being around her again is... intoxicating.

Anakin: So have you, grown more beautiful... for a senator, I mean

Anakin: One day, I will become the greatest Jedi EVER. I will even learn how to stop people from dying.

Anakin: I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.

Post: #160792
Topic: THE Most Awesome Scene in Star Wars
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160792/action/topic#160792
Time: 5-Dec-2005 2:20 PM

My favorite scene was when Jar Jar Binks died.

Post: #160502
Topic: Back in Time
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160502/action/topic#160502
Time: 4-Dec-2005 7:46 PM

Originally posted by: ricarleite
I would travel to 2 days in the past, and bet on every game I could, and become a millionaire, and destroy the time machine. The end.

Grays. Sports. Almanac.

Post: #160329
Topic: Found this quote from Lucas about changing the Original SW
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160329/action/topic#160329
Time: 3-Dec-2005 8:21 PM

I know about the profit points he gave to cast members and think it's great. Who on this message board thinks only negatively about the man who created their favorite movies? I certainly don't. Heck, I'd cheer if George got a best director nomination for Revenge of the Sith.

George has done more positive than negative things, but the minute he stopped calling the updated Star Wars films "special editions" a lot of fans got understandibly annoyed.

Post: #160288
Topic: Found this quote from Lucas about changing the Original SW
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160288/action/topic#160288
Time: 3-Dec-2005 2:53 PM

You know George Lucas has lost touch with the Star Wars base when.....

-special effects he didn't create bug him, but terrible lines of dialogue that HE wrote don't
-having Han shoot first at Greedo makes him a nasty, unlikable guy, but rescuing Princess Leia for money does NOT make him a nasty guy
-the dozens of plotholes HE created don't bother him as much as an immobile dewback with 5 seconds of screentime
-Jedi Rocks replacing Lapti Nek makes him sleep better at night
-a budget of $10 million brings us Darth Vader, C3PO, R2D2, Chewbacca, Sandpeople and Jawas, while a $130 million budget brings us battle droids, Jar Jar, Watto, Nute Gunray and Boss Nass.
-The battle of Yavin, which held audiences on the edge of their seats in a "failure", but the suspensless and virtually meaningless space battle at the begining of Revenge of the Sith is a success.

Post: #160255
Topic: Found this quote from Lucas about changing the Original SW
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160255/action/topic#160255
Time: 3-Dec-2005 10:48 AM

So how did a film that was 25% complete get Oscar nominations for Best Picture, director and screenplay? If George really believes that then he should have refused all the nominations and pulled the movie from theatres!!!

What annoys me is that so-called unfinished version of his film made him the billionaire he is today. Not to mention that while he deserves all the credit in the world for creating the characters and worlds we love, he couldn't have done it without the hundreds of people who colaborated on that film and the fans that paid money to see the film. Had the movie flopped, Star Wars would have been OVER. The fact that George is able to keep tweeking with his films is because of all the money the films and merchandize brought in.

Here's the ironic thing. George is always saying how everything related to Star Wars is HIS vision, even though the original was a disaster until his ex-wife, Richard Chew and Paul Hirsch gave some life to his film. It was THEIR vision that turned Star Wars from an average film to a great film. It was John William's music that put emotions into scenes that weren't there, the "crappy" special effects that blew audiences away and the creative sound effects that made audiences believe in this film. George may be the creator, but it was a collaborative effort that made the film work.

The fact that he claims that this version was only 25% complete is a slap in the face of the very people who saved the film's arse. Had it not been for them the film would have flopped badly. Sorry George, it's true.

Post: #160246
Topic: Found this quote from Lucas about the Fans from May '05
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160246/action/topic#160246
Time: 3-Dec-2005 10:29 AM

If George thinks fans went into Phantom Menace WANTING it to be a bad film, he's nuts. We all spent years looking forward to the film and wanted it be be as good as possible. The fans who disliked Menace were VERY dissapointed. Had we gone in looking for the film to suck, we wouldn't have been dissapointed at all!!!!

I hate George's defense of his films when he says the critics hated all of his films. First of all EVERY film gets some bad reviews. Titanic and Forrest Gump got a huge number of terrible reviews and went on to win Best picture! Somehow all the Oscar nods SW got went over his head. Not to mention Empire got plenty of rave reviews even back in 1980 (Pauline Kael, one of the toughest critics ever said Empire was the only good SW movie!) and once Jedi came out, Empire's critical acclaim grew and grew. However, notice that even after Sith as come out, the critics and fans have remained pretty consistant on their views of Menace and Clones.

George may think he's in a power struggle with the current fans, but the lack of respect he shows for the "older" fans is at times a disgrace. After all, if it weren't for the hundreds of millions who bought movie tickets back in 1977 for his film, there would be no sequels, no special editions, no ILM, no Skywalker Ranch, and no prequels.

Post: #160127
Topic: What is the REAL reason George doesn't want anyone to see the O-OT?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/160127/action/topic#160127
Time: 2-Dec-2005 5:44 PM

He's basically dissowned the films for years now, but I would love to know exactly WHY George wants to basically erase it from public conscience. To him, the films that turned him from a modestly successful filmmaker to King George are rough drafts that nobody should be allowed to see. To me, that means that George really DOES care what people think of him. It's very ironic that George cares what people think about the special effects, but he doesn't seem to care what people think about the directing, writing, plot holes, and acting. Otherwise, he'd be deleting Jar Jar Binks and redubbing some of the bad dialogue.

I think it's a very interesting that George doesn't want to let anyone see the films. Is he ashamed of those versions? Or perhaps does he see the films as a reflection of himself. If he keeps updating the films, they won't get old, which means he won't get old either? I'm no psychologist, so I'm pretty sure there's some underlying personal reason why GL has not only disowned the original versions of the classic films, but wants to control the public's ability to see cleaned up remastered versions of the O-OT.

Post: #159890
Topic: George Lucas is Darth Vader
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159890/action/topic#159890
Time: 1-Dec-2005 10:11 PM

It's said that most writers base their work on their lives and there are many parallels between George and Vader. Here are some examples....

-Anakin started his adventure as a wholesome and sometimes annoying kid who loved racing pods. George Lucas has always had a need for speed and a love for cars. Heck, he nearly died racing home one day.
-Once he became Darth Vader, Anakin ceased to exist. Vader refused to acknowledge his origins, just like George Lucas has pretty much disowned the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy. He would probably say "those versions no longer have any meaning for me." But they're "the true versions he's only forgotten."
-Just like Anakin became more machine than man, George has made his films more mechnical.
-my signature points out another parallel

Anyway, since George is so similar to Vader, he just needs to be "redeemed" by someone so he can release the OOT. Someone close to him will need to bring him back from the dark side and remember his true self as the director of a movie that was made in the 70's and does not need to look like a film made in the 21st century.

Post: #159803
Topic: Interesting transcript from online chat about George Lucas on how Empire turned out...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159803/action/topic#159803
Time: 1-Dec-2005 3:45 PM — Edited 23-Jun-2020 7:50 AM

This was taken from an online chat with Dale Pollock, the author of Skywalking, the autobiography on George. What stands out to me is the statement that apparently George hated that Irvin Kershner didn’t make Empire exactly the way he wanted it. I’d hate to imagine what Empire would have been like if George had directed it.

Here is the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/05/06/DI2005050600821.html

Mod Edit: a working link to the above article can be found here:-

http://web.archive.org/web/20191031115434/http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/05/06/DI2005050600821.html

Post: #159773
Topic: The Prequels: What they should have said...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159773/action/topic#159773
Time: 1-Dec-2005 1:44 PM

Some more for Sith....

Vader
Whoa, I sound so cool with this mask on. I love it. So where's Padme anyway?

Emperor
It appears that in your anger, you killed her.

Vader
What the hell are you talk bout Palpy?

Emperor
She's dead, I'm not kidding.

Vader
WTF?!!!! You promised me I'd save her from death. You lied! You bastard!!!!

Emperor
But force choking her to death was not part of the plan you moron.

Vader
Damn I'm such an arsehole.

Emperor
Anyway, even if she had survived, what kind of relationship could you have with her under that suit?

Vader
Um... I dunno

Emperor
Padme is better off dead. She betrayed you. She turned against you. She was going to marry Obiwan.

Vader
Speaking of Obiwan, I should thank him for leaving me out there. I am way cooler in this suit. I'm gunna scare da shit outta everyone. The breathing noise is so damn cool.

Emperor
Agreed. But please stop talking like Jar Jar Binks.

Post: #159772
Topic: The Prequels: What they should have said...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159772/action/topic#159772
Time: 1-Dec-2005 1:36 PM

Hahaha, funniest thread in a long time. Here are some more.....

Anakin
If you're not with me, you're my enemy!!!

Obiwan
Only a Sith thinks in absolutes.

Anakin
What the hell are you talking about Obiwan? You think in absolutes too!

Obiwan
True, all the Jedi do. Good is good, evil is bad, Jedi are good, Sith are evil.

Anakin
Then why did you say only the Sith..

Obiwan
Because Ani, George Lucas is trying to butter up his liberal Hollywood buddies to get him that Best Director Oscar he's been dying for. He still can't get over that his ex-wife won an Oscar for Star Wars and he went home with squat.

Post: #159528
Topic: My take (long)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159528/action/topic#159528
Time: 30-Nov-2005 2:53 PM

I agree with several things you said. However, I don't agree that the story was complete, even though Star Wars could have been a stand alone movie. Luke left Tatooine to become a Jedi Knight and he wasn't even close to being a Jedi at the end of the first movie. He was a war hero no doubt, but a Jedi he was not. IMO Empire Strikes Back worked so well because it continued Luke's journey, etc.

I agree though that Lucas is full of it when he claims he had the whole saga mapped out. It's so obvious since there are way too many discrepancies. If he had originally intended to have Leia be Luke's sister, they wouldn't have Leia give him that big ole smooch on Hoth. If he had originally intended to have the words "midichlorians" and "padawan" in the films, then they would have been used right away. I think George had ideas of the way things might have been prior to and after Star Wars, but there's no way he had the whole darn story figured out. Had that been the case, the Emperor probably would have had a much bigger role in the OT, Padme would have either not died in childbirth or Leia wouldn't have remembered her mother. I'm guessing Vader wasn't originally intended to be Luke's father. That's fine and I think Obiwan's explaination in Jedi was good enough. It doesn't matter to me if George came up with the idea AFTER he made the first movie.

The fact that George makes so many contradictory statements and has created so many plotholes makes it obvious his original vision stuff is crap. How can an original vision change so much?

Post: #159290
Topic: phantom menace first thoughts
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/159290/action/topic#159290
Time: 29-Nov-2005 6:58 PM

My reaction was pure disappointment. The actors had no energy whatsoever and there was no humor. There was just so much build up and hype for a movie that was just dull as heck.

Post: #158719
Topic: Rank the changes made to the OT from worst to best (or least worst?)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158719/action/topic#158719
Time: 28-Nov-2005 5:01 PM

How would you rank all the changes made to the OT in both the special edition and DVD versions? Rank as many or as few of the changes as you'd like.

Here is my list of changes from worst to best:

1. Greedo shooting first. Aside from the fact that Greedo is blind, Han is shown getting his blaster ready under the table, so George's reasoning for the change doesn't make sense. If he never had the intention to shoot first, why was he getting ready to shoot?
2. Changing Boba Fett's voice. For whatever reasons, Boba Fett is a cult favorite and changing the character's voice was just stupid.
3. CGI Jabba in Star Wars. Blech.
4. Luke's screem in Empire, which was thankfully cut out.
5. Hayden at the end of Jedi.
6. The scream of "Weesa free!" at the end of Jedi, which is very hard to hear, but still like nails on a chalkboard.
7. Deleting "where's my shuttle" and the shots of Vader's shuttle flying back and then landing on the bloody Death Star from Jedi!!!!! This totally disrupted the flow of the scene and takes away some of the tension in the scene.
8. The entrance to Mos Eisley. Was that supposed to be funny?
9. Ian McDiarmid in ESB- interesting idea, but hated the new dialogue plus the Emperor seemed to be drunk.
10. The extended celebration in Jedi and the removal of the Ewok song
11. the explosion "rings"
12. the cgi wampa
13. cgi sarlaac pit
14. cgi cloud city changes made when Lando makes his evacuation announcement on Cloud City
15. cgi effects during the battle of Yavin
16. the scene with Biggs added in

I left out some of the smaller changes (like the Falcon taking off from Mos Eisley, the new shots of Obiwan's house and the Sandcrawler)

Post: #158338
Topic: hayden christensen
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158338/action/topic#158338
Time: 27-Nov-2005 9:37 AM

Hayden did a good job in Sith and he was much better than he was in Clones. I hear his acting in other movies is pretty good, but I haven't seen them.

Post: #158123
Topic: If the Prequels had been made first would they have succeeded?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/158123/action/topic#158123
Time: 26-Nov-2005 11:05 AM

I honestly don't think they would have made even half of what they did had the prequels been made first. Obviously the fans who saw the prequels first would disagree with this, however, however I wonder how many of these new fans would have discovered the prequels without the monsterous ad campaign that could not have existed without the success of the original trilogy.

Basically, I don't think George would have gotten away with making a film like Phantom Menace if it had been the first SW film. Imagine also, if he had made Menace back in 1977 with the same script, a different cast and 1977 effects. I think it would have been the turkey many predicted Star Wars (A New Hope) would be. Could you imagine going into the theatre in 1977 and having a dude in a Jar Jar costume, no pod race, a less impressive lightsaber fight and a very complicated plot dealing with trade disputes, senate meetings and midichlorians?

It's just kind of ironic that many prequel fans not only dislike the OT, but seem to have no respect for the films, especially for the original SW which they find boring, slow and old looking. I wonder how many of them realize that without the OT, the prequels never ever would have been made.