It’s amazing how quickly a thread can go off the rails 😛

Schizophrenic inmate, serving a 2 year sentence for possession of cocaine, boiled to death in shower - prosecutor finds no wrongdoing.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/19/520743255/after-schizophrenic-inmate-dies-in-a-shower-florida-prosecutor-finds-no-wrongdoi

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article139206653.html

DominicCobb said:

You’re talking about Carl Bernstein.

My first thought was the Berenstain Bears.

Lord Haseo said:

darthrush said:
Just disgraceful that Felicity won. Her character was one of the worst aspects of Rogue One for me.

At least she’s more developed than someone like Bodhi Rook.

Wrong.

TV’s Frink said:

But they didn’t point out he was making a joke! How can that be matter-of-fact if they left out that important point?

It’s not something that needs to be pointed out, it can be learned by watching the full clip. My issue isn’t that the Jezebel article didn’t point out that it was a joke, it’s that the author attacked him as if it were his true opinion. I don’t want to be the guy that screams “you’re taking him out of context!” but I believe that’s what happened here. They took his comment out of context and attacked him for it.

TV’s Frink said:

Ok fine, Jezebel sucks. Here’s the Fox News story.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/03/19/tim-allen-says-being-conservative-in-hollywood-is-like-living-in-1930s-germany.html

Oh wait, they didn’t say he was joking either.

Never thought I’d be defending Fox News. Anyway, the Fox News article is presented very matter-of-factly, it doesn’t lampoon him for his comments, it simply presents what he said.

Also, the answer to someone saying a source is biased isn’t presenting a source biased in the other direction. Fox News, The Blaze and Jezebel all suck.

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://jezebel.com/cool-tim-allen-compared-being-a-conservative-in-hollyw-1793429326

Tim Allen, a rather irrelevant actor, appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live this week, where he bemoaned the tribulations suffered by conservatives in Hollywood. “You gotta be real careful around here,” he told Kimmel. “You get beat up if you don’t believe what everybody else believes. This is like ‘30s Germany.”

Nope! Not even close!

He was obviously not serious.

He’s a comedian, it was a joke, and the audience laughed with him because it was obviously a joke.

He was joking? No way!

Doesn’t change the stupidity of what he said. Not that I honestly care, but come on Tim.

It’s just strange to me to call a comment, that was intended to be a comedic exaggeration, stupid.

Exaggeration does not equal comedy. The sooner people learn this the better, it’s one of the big problems with dumb shits on the internet right now.

Comedy is perhaps the most subjective thing in the world, and there are plenty that disagree with you. What comedy is is not for you or I to decide.

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://jezebel.com/cool-tim-allen-compared-being-a-conservative-in-hollyw-1793429326

Tim Allen, a rather irrelevant actor, appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live this week, where he bemoaned the tribulations suffered by conservatives in Hollywood. “You gotta be real careful around here,” he told Kimmel. “You get beat up if you don’t believe what everybody else believes. This is like ‘30s Germany.”

Nope! Not even close!

He was obviously not serious.

He’s a comedian, it was a joke, and the audience laughed with him because it was obviously a joke.

He was joking? No way!

Doesn’t change the stupidity of what he said. Not that I honestly care, but come on Tim.

It’s just strange to me to call a comment, that was intended to be a comedic exaggeration, stupid.

SilverWook said:

People don’t laugh at tasteless jokes? There are comedians who’ve made a career out of that.

No, but the article presents Allen’s comment as if it were his serious opinion, when it’s clearly not.

TV’s Frink said:

http://jezebel.com/cool-tim-allen-compared-being-a-conservative-in-hollyw-1793429326

Tim Allen, a rather irrelevant actor, appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live this week, where he bemoaned the tribulations suffered by conservatives in Hollywood. “You gotta be real careful around here,” he told Kimmel. “You get beat up if you don’t believe what everybody else believes. This is like ‘30s Germany.”

Nope! Not even close!

He was obviously not serious.

He’s a comedian, it was a joke, and the audience laughed with him because it was obviously a joke.

Jetrell Fo said:

https://counterpropa.com/

Huh?

Swazzy said:

Seeing both a Jedi and a Sith simultaneously believe they’d find redemption through Vader was awesome, and was yet another example of “things I hate about the PT that are mostly alright in this context”.

I really liked Maul’s dying words. They made me realize that it wasn’t just the Jedi that have been wronged by Palpatine, Maul was a victim too. He was taken at a young age and forced into the dark side so that he didn’t know anything else. Palpatine stepped on everyone, he left many victims in his wake on both sides of the force. When Vader kills Palpatine he isn’t just doing it for Luke, he’s doing it for all the Jedi, Savage, Ventress and everyone else.

MalàStrana said:

Twin suns is a often boring episode but which is saved by two beautiful sequences, the first being the best transition between the PT and the OT to date, at every level (wu xia pian to chambara, chosen one prophecy translated in its new era, Ewan’s Obi-Wan to Alec’s Ben); the second being the very predictable yet moving last shot of Ben watching over Luke from a distant spot. Almost dropped a tear filled with memories there.

I don’t think it was a boring episode by any means, but I agree that it did a good job of transitioning the two trilogies.

DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

I agree that this should have been at least two episodes. I have a bunch of spoilerly thoughts that I won’t get into now.

https://youtu.be/8eIZsJsck7A?t=2m19s

My biggest disappointment here is how this completely botches the Ezra/Maul dynamic. It already seemed like the show was dropping Ezra’s call to the dark side, and I know some people really want him to turn, I don’t care one way or the other, but it is a compelling storyline for him that just seemed to fizzle out. I thought this would be the place to finally tie it up in some fashion but nope. That’s really why I wish this had been at least a two parter. I guess it’s possible that that thread will linger but it seems like such a waste that nothing came of it here with Maul after everything between the two before.

I think the whole “Ezra being pulled to the dark side” plot line was contrived from the beginning. They should’ve planted seeds of him being susceptible to the dark side in the first two seasons, it seemed to arise out of nowhere. And on top of that, the conflict was only explored in a few episodes, for most of the season it’s as if it never happened.

SPOILERS

Regarding the duel itself, since it’s very polarizing, I loved it. I think it worked on so many levels. The duel itself gives us subtle character development, it shows that Ben has grown a lot during his exile, and it shows us that Maul hasn’t. It sheds a new light on Ben’s duel with Vader, making it clear that Ben could’ve put up a very strong fight against Vader were that his intention. I know the “it’s like poetry” thing is a bit of a meme, but I found this comment on Reddit that I thought was very interesting;

The entire meeting is a “it’s like poetry, it rhymes” situation.

Obi-Wan and Maul meet as they did a few times in the Clone Wars. Obi-Wan with his Form III stance, and Maul with a single blade ignited. However, all these battles ended in stalemate.

This leads Maul to revert back to how he first fought Obi-Wan. With a double bladed sword.

In return, Obi-Wan switches to Qui-Gon’s Form IV stance.

The two clash blades a couple times and Maul tried to knock Obi-Wan in the face, breaking his guard for a killing blow like he did for Qui-Gon. But Obi-Wan learned from his fights with Maul. We see this first against Vader, and it comes full circle with Maul again.

Obi-Wan slices Maul’s lightsaber in half (again) and wounds him in the abdomen like Maul did to Qui-Gon.

Following the battle, Obi-Wan takes the dying party in his arms and rests their head on his leg. Together they discuss the Chosen One and how he will destroy the Sith. Bringing balance to force, and avenging all they’ve lost.

Really great scene.

I think everyone that was expecting a long and intense fight is missing the point of lightsaber duels, they’re not supposed to be merely eye-candy. They’re supposed to be emotional, they’re a means of telling the story, and I think this duel did just that.

DominicCobb said:

I agree that this should have been at least two episodes. I have a bunch of spoilerly thoughts that I won’t get into now.

https://youtu.be/8eIZsJsck7A?t=2m19s

Handman said:

Jeebus’s new avatar has a lightsaber placed just right that I thought he was banned.

lol

Now I want to change it, but I made a promise to myself that I won’t change my avatars as often.

Wow, Twin Suns was excellent. I’ll not spoil anything since it isn’t officially out yet, but I thought it was very respectful to Obi-Wan’s character.

If you have Time Warner Cable/Spectrum, the episode is already available On Demand.

DominicCobb said:

But I don’t all the “WOULD’VE WON” shit gets us anywhere at all.

No, it doesn’t, but it’s fun to say “I told ya so.”

TV’s Frink said:

Neither of those make my statement any less true.

There’s a lot more to attack Hillary on. Sure, the “socialist” card would be thrown around, but the only people that would be convinced by that nonsense are the people that enthusiastically voted for Trump. But there’s a large amount of people that voted for Trump on economic policies alone, and it’s pretty likely that the majority of people in that category would’ve swung to Bernie.

Of course this is all speculation since we don’t live in the timeline where he got the nomination, but it’s not wild speculation, it’s all very grounded in reality and it’s based on things that we know or can reasonably assume.

TV’s Frink said:

Also Bernie would have been less popular after he underwent months of general election attacks and scrutiny.

This is from before Clinton was even nominated;

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/sanders-crushing-trump-in_b_9862708.html

Because this would’ve happened;

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14908272/trump-greenberg-democrats-neolib

Healthy.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/most-popular-politician-in-the-us-bernie-sanders-fox-news-poll-2017-3?r=US&IR=T

Some interesting numbers in there, it appears that Trump is not too popular. Also;

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