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#1060799
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Jetrell Fo said:

CatBus, I saw this article and it made me think about your post about Trump, not you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pastor-rick-henderson/why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-good-atheist_b_4442287.html

I’ve got to make another post, because that article is just frustratingly dumb.

In a Hail Mary-like attempt to reconcile the inescapability of objective morality and their assurances of atheism, two possible answers are launched.

  1. Morality is the result of socio-biological evolution.

  2. Morality is logical.

What about 3; morality is based in empathy? People learn about the “golden rule” in kindergarten. It’s an idea that existed before Judaism and Christianity, in very distant parts of the world. It’s convenient that he left that one out, despite it being the most common argument against his line of bullshit.

Intelligent people ask serious questions.

And sometimes unintelligent people ask serious questions, as proven here by Mr. Henderson.

Serious questions deserve serious answers. There are few questions more serious than the one I’m asking. How do we explain objective meaning and morality that we know are true? If a worldview can’t answer this question, it doesn’t deserve you.

One sign that your worldview may be a crutch is that it has to appeal to an answer outside itself — becoming self-contradictory, unable to reasonably account for the question. Any atheist who recognizes objective meaning and morality defies the atheism that he contends is true.

Not a worldview. Despite your insistence that it’s something more, atheism really is just a lack of a belief in God.

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#1060753
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jetrell Fo said:

CatBus, I saw this article and it made me think about your post about Trump, not you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pastor-rick-henderson/why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-good-atheist_b_4442287.html

While it is true that there is no definitive atheistic worldview, all atheists share the same fundamental beliefs as core to their personal worldviews. While some want to state that atheism is simply a disbelief in the existence of a god, there really is more to it. Every expression of atheism necessitates at least three additional affirmations:

Wrong. Disqualified.

Post
#1060744
Topic
General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
Time

generalfrevious said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Get out of my thread.

generalfrevious:

continues to post

Does this constitute harassment?

So anytime I want to express my opinion on any given topic, I can’t say it?

I’m giving VALID points on why the new Star Wars movies are extremely limited in scope. About why they can never be great again, and the franchise’s reputation will suffer even more than it did under the prequel era.

I have seen the OT before. I can rewatch it again if I want. So why should I spend twelve dollars to see something I have watched a hundred times already?

Disney has failed on this front because they care more about shoving in familiar elements to make money off the public than taking advantage of the SW IP and giving us something new.

It’s not what you’re saying, it’s that you’re saying it at all.

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#1060736
Topic
Random Thoughts
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Darth Id said:

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

There’s nothing in the rules that states I can’t post lyrics featuring racial slurs. Just that I can’t call anyone racial slurs.

But ignore me; I’ve just been listening to a lot of fucking Rap lately.

Darth Id said:

Jeebus said:

Lyrics from a song.

I would like to bitch about loose word usage, here…

The bolding of the word ‘song’ makes me think he’s calling into question whether rap is real music, rather than criticizing the lyrical content.

Can’t it be both? Can’t both be going on at the same time…?

Nope, not possible.

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#1060729
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

Lord Haseo said:

There’s nothing in the rules that states I can’t post lyrics featuring racial slurs. Just that I can’t call anyone racial slurs.

But ignore me; I’ve just been listening to a lot of fucking Rap lately.

Darth Id said:

Jeebus said:

Lyrics from a song.

I would like to bitch about loose word usage, here…

The bolding of the word ‘song’ makes me think he’s calling into question whether rap is real music, rather than criticizing the lyrical content.

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#1060710
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

Warbler said:

Lord Haseo said:

The Bible has words that Christ wrote, evil men sacrifice goats
I speak all my life under oath
Since a kid, troublesome
Thrownin’ shit at little girls jump ropes
Bustin’ B-B Guns at stray cats, that was way back
Watched it die, covered in flies
Then I picked up a stick, try to dig in it’s eyes
Makin’ dirt pies, na, being buggy-eyed shit
And every other n***a that rap, sound like my shit
I wear chrome 45’s with ice on the grip
I don’t shoot it, I roll with killers and criminals
With heroin habits they picked up from the penile
They let you have it, all I do is give them a smile
Lifestlyes of the realest, you ain’t ruthless you bitch
I got a pine box just your size, I know it’ll fit
Your whole life’s a mistake, stop holdin’ the pen
Kill yourself, come back as a man over again
Cause in this lifetime I’m reignin’, slay men
Leave your whole body cold
Your nails grow long, you get gray skin
May this n***a rest in peace, Amen
I run with brave men, straight out the housin’, we wildin’
Names engraved in the pavement
Brick building, grown ladies jump off the roof
N***a get paged, then murdered at the phonebooth
New York streets made me n***a, it’s crazy n***a

?

Lyrics from a song.

Post
#1060599
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

On a related note, this has been bumping around in my mind for a while now, and I just don’t like it. Trump is our first atheist President. Yeah, I know, he passes for Presbyterian–a lot of us have to pass for something for various reasons, and most of us are way more convincing than he is. But leaving that aside for a moment, what “bad reputation” do atheists have in the larger culture? Let’s see: amoral, untrustworthy sociopaths who think they’re inherently superior to everyone else. Uh-oh. Oh yeah, and at least during the Cold War they were also Russian agents. Igh.

So I’m really, really hoping, in spite of his ongoing collapse in popular support, that when Trump eventually slouches off stage left, that whatever mysterious hypnotic “I’m one of you” hold he has on white Christians remains firmly in place. Because otherwise they’ll say: “That’s what happens when you put an atheist in charge,” and we’re back to the days of debating if atheists can actually be Americans. That’s all assuming that the evangelical support isn’t due to some speed-the-apocalypse-by-supporting-the-antichrist theory, but I’ve been assured by people who actually travel in evangelical circles that this is not the case. And I checked with multiple people, because I didn’t believe their assurances the first few times 😉

I’m with you there, except you’re forgetting Obama.

Wikipedia (yes, I know, thank you) says this:

Obama is a Protestant Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life.[77] He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he “was not raised in a religious household”. He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents, as being detached from religion, yet “in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known.” He described his father as a “confirmed atheist” by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as “a man who saw religion as not particularly useful.” Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand “the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change.”[78]

In January 2008, Obama told Christianity Today: “I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life.”[79] On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying “I’m a Christian by choice. My family didn’t – frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn’t raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers’ and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me.”[80][81]

Obama met Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright in October 1987, and became a member of Trinity in 1992.[82] He resigned from Trinity in May 2008 during his first presidential campaign after some of Wright’s statements were criticized.[83] The Obama family has attended several Protestant churches since moving to Washington, D.C., in 2009, including Shiloh Baptist Church and St. John’s Episcopal Church, as well as Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, but are not habitual church-goers.[84][85][86]

And here’s Trump:

Religion

The Trump family were originally Lutherans in Germany,[52] and his mother’s upbringing was Presbyterian in Scotland.[53] His parents married in a Manhattan Presbyterian church in 1936.[54] As a child, he attended Sunday School at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens, and had his confirmation there.[55][55] In the 1970s, his family joined the Marble Collegiate Church (a New York City affiliate of the Reformed Church in America) in Manhattan.[56] The pastor at that church, Norman Vincent Peale, author of The Power of Positive Thinking and The Art of Living, ministered to Trump’s family and mentored him until Peale’s death in 1993.[57][56] Trump, who is Presbyterian,[58][59] has cited Peale and his works during interviews when asked about the role of religion in his personal life.[56]

After marrying his first wife Ivana in 1977 at Marble Collegiate Church, he attended that church until 2013.[60][55] In 2016, Trump visited Bethesda-by-the-Sea, an Episcopal church, for Christmas services.[61] Trump has said that he participates in Holy Communion. Beyond that, he has not asked God for forgiveness, stating: “I think if I do something wrong, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture.”[62]

Trump refers to his ghostwritten book The Art of the Deal, a bestseller following publication in 1987, as “my second favorite book of all time, after the Bible. Nothing beats the Bible.”[63][64] In a 2016 speech to Liberty University, he referred to “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians”, eliciting chuckles from the audience.[65] Despite this, The New York Times reported that Evangelical Christians nationwide thought “that his heart was in the right place, that his intentions for the country were pure”.[66]

Outside of his church affiliations, Trump has relationships with a number of Christian spiritual leaders, including Florida pastor Paula White, who has been described as his “closest spiritual confidant”.[67] In 2015, he asked for and received a blessing from Greek Orthodox priest Emmanuel Lemelson[68] and, in 2016, released a list of his religious advisers, including James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr., Ralph Reed and others.[69] Referring to his daughter Ivanka’s conversion to Judaism before her marriage to Jared Kushner, Trump said in 2015: “I have a Jewish daughter; and I am very honored by that […] it wasn’t in the plan but I am very glad it happened.”[70]

yet even when he could lie to protect his political prospects he says that ‘he has not asked God for forgiveness’. It’s not exactly possible to be a Christian in that situation.

Why not?

Post
#1060596
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

I wish I was immortal. Not because I want to necessarily want to live forever, I just want to experience history. There’s so much that happened from the 19th century to the 21st, and I’ll only ever be able to give it a cursory glance in a history book, or in a 20 minute video on the evolution of music. There’s only so much you can learn when viewing things from above. There are things that will happen in my lifetime that may seem inconsequential, but will have an effect on history that I’ll never be able to experience. I can only sit here and wonder what the future will be like, never knowing what kind of secrets of the universe we as a species are able to uncover.

Ironically, if I were immortal, I’d probably be terribly bored and wishing I wasn’t.

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#1060268
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

DominicCobb said:

People should remember too that there’s still a lot we don’t know, not just about TLJ but about the whole ST and everything that’s going on at that time. Personally I see the fight against the First Order as more of an even handed match up than Empire vs. Rebels, but you know I could be wrong about that, and that’s okay, as long as it’s handled well. It’s pretty silly to think that there’s no way that the First Order could have such power,

Certainly there’s some way they could’ve gained that much power, I’m just saying that I think it’s lazy storytelling. It’s the same conflict from the OT; a ragtag rebel group vs a big and powerful military dictatorship with a planet-destroying superweapon.

and yeah you can think that maybe that’s not the way they should have done it, but it’s pretty close minded to outright dismiss the story they’re telling just because it wasn’t what you expected.

I don’t think that anyone in this particular conversation is. I’m excited to see where the story goes, I’m not dismissing all of it just because of one or two issues.

I bet a lot of people here didn’t think the Rebels stealing the Death Star plans was actually a massive land and space battle, but you don’t see a lot of people complaining about that.

As for little things like stormtrooper armor? I mean really, is this the stuff we should be giving a shit about when it comes to the quality of these movies?

It’s not the armor itself that I have an issue with. I actually think the armor looks nice, if a little chubby and stocky. I think that the armor is indicative of the larger issue; see above.

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#1060231
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self.

Not with the right funding they shouldn’t.

Perhaps. But why would they waste those funds on making the Stormtrooper armor more visually pleasing to look at, why waste it on another Death Star when the first two didn’t work? I feel like that’s just an excuse for the First Order being aesthetically lazy. And it’s not that I’m against in-universe excuses for out-of-universe problems, but the excuses can only go so far.

Well it’s been 30 years so I would have been disappointed if they just rehashed the OT suits.

That’s kinda what they did, though. They made a slight visual upgrade, but other than that it’s almost the same suit.

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#1060216
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Lord Haseo said:

Jeebus said:

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self.

Not with the right funding they shouldn’t.

Perhaps. But why would they waste those funds on making the Stormtrooper armor more visually pleasing to look at, why waste it on another Death Star when the first two didn’t work? I feel like that’s just an excuse for the First Order being aesthetically lazy. And it’s not that I’m against in-universe excuses for out-of-universe problems, but the excuses can only go so far.

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#1060195
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Mithrandir said:

Bigger walkers, and First Order having the upper hand confirmed!

So now (finally, unless this rumor isn’t true, which probably is) there’s no more ground to say that the ST won’t replicate or mimic (if you find the word too bold) the political background of the OT.

So the nazis that fled to Argentina as a fringe group, somehow managed to gather resources they didn’t even have in Germany…

Yeah, if this is true, I’m not digging it. I already thought the First Order was too much like the Empire when realistically it should be a shell of it’s former self. The word’s become a bit of a meme around here, but I really hope this isn’t a ESB “rehash.”

Who knows, though. Maybe I’ve gotten the wrong impression, and Rian Johnson pulls off something great. I think he could do it.

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#1060150
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

CatBus said:

Jeebus said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

I know people hate her, but how was she not qualified?

People often say lots of things “disqualify” someone, rather than just looking at a set of prerequisites. I personally thought her vote on the AUMF was a war crime. I thought her vote on the MCA was abhorrent. I’m sure some people would say that because she used e-mail, she’s disqualified, but I’m not among them. I don’t think these things disqualify so much as significantly push down her appeal. Frankly if she’d never been a Senator, and she’d only been Secretary of State and First Lady (and all her qualifications from before), I may have happily voted for her, rather than with the same shudder I gave when I voted for Kerry. Nevertheless, the fact that she had any qualifications at all, and that she wasn’t endorsed by the Klan, and that she wasn’t the Kremlin’s pick, put her over the top for me. It’s a low bar, but she cleared it easily.

As for qualifications, she doesn’t rank up there with Jefferson or Bush I, but she’s up there. She was extremely qualified. But her record as a Senator was troubling.

So she’s a war criminal, but at least she’s not endorsed by people you don’t like?

“People you don’t like”? Were talking about an active domestic terrorist group!

The KKK is an active domestic terrorist group? They’re the most inactive active terrorists I’ve ever seen.

EDIT: To be clear, I was being hyperbolic when I said it was simply “people you don’t like.” I just don’t think being endorsed by a hate group is comparable to voting in favor of a war crime.

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#1060146
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This notion that Trump and Hillary are equally bad is, in my opinion, purely a product of an extraordinarily successful smear campaign. Before she was a candidate, Hillary was one of the most respected democrats among republicans:

That’s exactly the problem.

Sheesh.

Well I sure hope you’re enjoying Trump.

Why would I be?