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#259315
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ANH screening with modelmaker Lorne Peterson...WHY ARE THEY SCREENING THE SE??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/259315/action/topic#259315
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, what percentage would you estimate then?


23.4556%

Who the hell knows? But 80% is such a bitter fanboy number that it's laugh-out-loud funny... so far LP has been paid-off by LFL not to bash the SE to he's pissed off at Luca$ about the SE.... all while attending a screening of the SE to plug a book he's making money from. The conspiracy theorists are really sharp lately.
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#258088
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Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258088/action/topic#258088
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Not to mention that some of the threads (gushers threads?) were set to private recently and made so anyone that ever visits the bashers threads is automatically denied access/banned from the gushers threads. Talk about stupid.

I found this out because I occasionally read the administration threads. It's a good laugh to check out the craziness that goes on over there. Most of the discussions about what you can and can't do are absolutely ridiculous.


The mods in that place act like it's a life or death situation over there... its a shame too, that place was fun before Ep1 and leading up each release...
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#258077
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Question about the Prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258077/action/topic#258077
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The thing that's weird about TFN is in their attempt to be non partisan, they set out to "cleanse" the forum of all partisanship.

Here's the thing, there are actually "partisans". Some fans run around as self proclaimed gushers, some fans run around as self proclaimed bashers, and all of them blame the other side for the "lables".

It's gotten to the point where the regulars have their "street cred" as either bashers or gushers, and a lot of them just start in with personal attacks instead of making a case for their own perspective.

I think TFN was just sick of the general mean spiritedness about it all. Being a SW fan should be about having fun, not putting other SW fans down all the time.

The problem is they went so far with it, they won't allow the fans to discuss the fans at all.

It's really pretty ridiculous.


I don't even understand what you can and can't talk about over there.... how can two people with different opinions discuss something without talking to each other... its like you're supposed to talk to "everyone", but nobody specifically... plus it's all subjective to what the mod thinks of you (basher/gusher). If somone known as a gusher goes into a basher thread, (or vice versa) the Mods panic alarm goes off before anything even happens.... The stuff we talk about in here wouldn't go on for a second over there.

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#258073
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"Black Friday" SW DVD Sales...Wow, Did Some of You...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/258073/action/topic#258073
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Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: ESHBG
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Did Lucas become CEO of Best Buy recently?

*yawn*

No, but LFL sure has a major say in what retailers can sell the discs for (not to mention how starwars.com is pimping the lower prices already).


No they don't. This is actually one case where I agree with Randy (don't get use to it Randy).

LFL gives an MSRP, but nothing beyond that. If retailers want to sell it for 1 cent, that's their prerogative. They'll likely lose money on it, but they can do that if they want to. I'm almost willing to bet they're losing some money on the 9.99 price as it is. It's probably cheaper for them to lose a buck or two at that price than it is to have to box up all the copies and send them back to LFL after 12/31 (assuming LFL does some kind of recall).

So while LFL is advertising this new lower price, they really have no say in how low the retailers decide to go.


Thanks and no I won't get used to it!

Go ahead and blame Luca$ for the OOT, etc.... but he has nothing to do with how much Best Buy sells his movie for... I know folks like to blame him for everything from Han shooting second to Global Warming but he has nothing to do with this... and god forbid SW.com tell people they can get the movies for 10 bucks... the nerve of them... hawking affordable gifts around the holidays. For shame.



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#257644
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257644/action/topic#257644
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Originally posted by: CO
JediRandy, it is not the point of whose saga it is, cause I agree that Solo is not the main character of SW. My point is many fans like me get chastised for because it is 'only a few seconds' of changes, and I say that isn't fair, cause some of the greatest scenes in movie history are of just a split second.

Luke looking at the binary sunset in ANH is my favorite scene of all 6 movies, it is what SW is about to me, and I get goosebumps everytime that scene comes on screen, but JR, it is only a few seconds as you would say.

Lucas took out Lukes wink to the force ghosts in ROTJ that was there in the O-OT version, but is gone in the SE version, WHY? I am being serious, why would Lucas take out that wink or I would say the little nod to Yoda, Kenobi, and his father? It is only a split second, but it is nice ending to ROTJ?

You can lambast me all you want, but I like the little moments in SW, and the more you tinker a movie like Lucas does, the more you have a chance of finding a particular scene that someone really loved the first time they saw it. That is my problem.

So all this is because a wink was taken out... 6 plus hours and it comes down to a wink... alright.


Excuse me? Sebastian Shaw was erased from ROTJ. So much for "nothing is erased".

Han also goes from a "shoot first, ask questions later" guy to a "shoot only in self defense" guy. Whether you want to believe it or not, those are two very different types of people.


Yeah, outside of his speaking scene... Shaw doesn't show up anywhere else in the movie at all.

So Han should only shoot first? Did Eastwood ever shoot in self defense in a Leone movie? (he did) Did that take away from his character in the Dollars Trilogy?

The Han shooting first scene is bitching because you no longer think something is as cool as it once was... it didn't change his character at all... Han didn't want to "march into the detention center" and he thought attacking the DS was "suicide"... how come it's ok for him to be a pussy then but not during the Greedo scene?

You zone-in on one scene and forget everything else that happened only because is supports your arguement... the Shaw scene is a perfect example of that... "he was ERASED" from the movie! (except for the scene where he spoke) But he was ERASED I tell you!!! Luca$ is teh Suxxx!
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#257630
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257630/action/topic#257630
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Originally posted by: CO
Originally posted by: JediRandy

Dude, I'll even give you the Greedo shoots first thing... and maybe the jabba scene.... it all amounts to a few minutes of new stuff... nothing is erased.... especially your memories. If you let a big nothing erase the fun these flicks gave you then you're really stretching and just wasting something that could be and was a lot of fun... it's a shame people flip out over this shit.

Stop acting like these movies are yours and maybe you'll enjoy them again.



How would you feel if Coppola changed The Godfather scene and had the cop shoot Michael Corleone first and miss and Pacino shoots him out of self defense, to connect his character more like Godfather III where he tries to redeem himself?

I mean it is only a few seconds, yet it is one of the most powerful scenes in movie history. But then again, why should I complain if Coppola changed it, it's not my movie right?


You're stretching.

Han, no matter how "cool", is secondary character.... his job is to move the main character (Luke) along though his journey.

So to compare Han, a character that they could've and should've killed in ESB (and left it wide open to do so) to the main character of a 3-part epic (Michael) makes no sense.

Han's character arc starts and finishes all in ANH and that includes the “shoots 2nd Han”.

He starts off not giving a shit about the Rebellion… (“I’m not in it for your revolution, sister.”) hence his desire to be paid for rescuing Leia, to leaving before the Death Star attack.

As soon as Han saves Luke during the Trench Run his character has redeemed himself and his character arc is complete. He has once again helped the main character along his (more important) story. And throughout the rest of the trilogy, Han didn’t change while the other main characters did.

His not shooting first doesn't change that. It in no way makes him sympathize with the plights of Luke, Obi and Leia, which is what’s really important to his character, not his shooting a bad guy in a cantina Sergio-Leone-style.
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#257622
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/257622/action/topic#257622
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
NO RANDY, it's because no other movie in film history has been locked up by its own creator in an attempt to erase memories of a beloved franchise. And when the OOT finally comes out, its given a substandard industry release- which I think is criminal. These discs are not standard DVD quality.


Dude, I'll even give you the Greedo shoots first thing... and maybe the jabba scene.... it all amounts to a few minutes of new stuff... nothing is erased.... especially your memories. If you let a big nothing erase the fun these flicks gave you then you're really stretching and just wasting something that could be and was a lot of fun... it's a shame people flip out over this shit.

Stop acting like these movies are yours and maybe you'll enjoy them again.

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#256915
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256915/action/topic#256915
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.


It deserves whatever the artist intends for it....




...from the artist POV. Luckily, we are all entitled to have our own POV´s.


everyone else's interpretation/whishes are completely inconsequential.


Apparently not. I really doubt the OOT would have come out if not for the fan preservationists, and their copies being sold for money on Ebay. Suddenly, this can have huge impacts on "artistic visions" (tm)


Sure, have a POV, it doesn't mean anything , though. The kicker is he actually listened to this "huge" fanboy "outcry" and released the thing on DVD but, in true SW fan fashion, it wasnt' good enough so the bitching continued.

He could come over and install a digital theater in the fans living rooms for their state-of-the-art DVD to play on and they'd still complain.


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#256910
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256910/action/topic#256910
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.


It deserves whatever the artist intends for it.... everyone else's interpretation/whishes are completely inconsequential.

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#256888
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256888/action/topic#256888
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Why is everything an "attack on the fans"? Seriously where do people come up with this stuff? Like he's twirling his handlebar mustace as he watches people walk out of Best Buy.


You mistunderstand me. There is a difference between "attack on the fans" and "caring shit about the fans". The former one implies emotional involvement, while the latter does not. I don´t sense any emotional involvement towards the fans regarding the 2004SE and the OOT release. Only marketing.


I guess this goes back to the percentage of fans that care about not having the OOT. Personally I don't think it was that high... if it was, then the last release would've sold better.
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#256758
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Where do I go from here as a SW fan?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/256758/action/topic#256758
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
for the 2004 dvd boxset, lucas used things like documentaries, commentaries and a digital restoration to distract us from the elephant in the room which is that it's not the O-OT.


It's an elephant to some people and a complete nothing to others.... bottom line is that the OOT is on DVD... some might say: "beggars can't be choosers". And again, if enough people bought it you'll get it fixed up to higher quality...

And if you call a really well done 2+ hour documentary on all 3 movies a "distraction"..... it might be time to take a step back.