Jedi Temple34

Yep that’s the one that played at the Empire Leicester Square before the start of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in 70mm Dolby Stereo SR SS. It was also featured on the last STAR TREK marathon day Sunday October 8^th 1989, with the newest at the time, STAR TREK V: The Final Frontier which played in THX exclusive at the Empire for one day as it was moved to Plaza.

The slam of that trailer hits your in the chest then mellows down a little as it spins twits around then goes into deep rumble for a few seconds as the THX logo moves off-screen.

It was also featured on the start of STAR TREK VI: The Undiscovered County, Friday 14^th February 1992, in 70mm Dolby Stereo SR SS.

Jonno said:

I wish I knew what any of that meant.

Yeah so? Do you want to stay on topic or start a flame war? Please stay on topic or move on...

Here's a post I made a few years ago and the DVD was rubbish! Okay good for Dolby Stereo Digital discrete not so good with what they did to this classic Dolby Stereo mix. 

You’ve only got 4 hours to respond to this and your, free man. LOL 

I want you to play this part from (chapter 3) and pay strict attention to sound and I want to know what you can hear between, the guard’s voice only and only the guard’s voice “He’s dangerous, sir”. Tell me where you can hear voice? 

Your countdown clock as been activated, you now have 2 hours to respond!

Have listen to where Snake, lights up a fag, and then tosses the match into an ashtray. Now where is the sound? Its not on the laserdisc and its certainly not on the DVD. Seems like Foley error or that match has the highest 20Khz that is so hard to hear?

Also towards the end when he rips the tape apart the sound is like WTF! 

You can't hear the tape being thrown away. Now for real ear-wigging listen to the audio commentary with Debra Hill you can hear the sound of the tape.

Nope I will not buy the bluaru with dtsHDMA as the film was mixed recoded and released in Dolby and should only be presented in the 40 year preferred listening true format.

Nope I will not even sale my Laserdisc copy no fu%cking way.   

I hardly play the DVD its not worthy even though its in prefect Dolby someone mixer who did that re-mix is taking the piss with it.

I saw double late night bill of ALIEN and ALIENS summertime 1990, at Cannon Bournemouth screen 2, 35mm Dolby Stereo optical.

I’ve seen ALIENS once before on its 86 release at Odeon Bournemouth in screen 2.

The double bill sadly ALIEN was only presented in format 1 mono as it was mono print not uncommon for early days some prints might have gone out as Dolby stereo optical and mono optical and road show 70mm releases booked in at larger metropolitan cites like Odeon Leicester Square.

Also the fader for ALIEN was set at 10 due to the low level mix, as recall discussion briefly with projectionist that was running the late shows for most weekends.   

I do believe ALIEN was mixed with mono surrounds for 70mm not split-surrounds its not a big deal the sound is still fuller and discrete with its uncompressed sound over Dolby Stereo optical.

The mixes on France track on the region 1 DVD 20^th anniversary has deep rumble on the Nostromo, scenes like after when the Alien as its quick meal, then the crew sends Kane into space the next shot has, deep engine sound. The English tracks don’t. Maybe someone want to look into that further it might be the France have better version it might not then again mean anything.

Also the score is higher quality when Kane is walking around the while the others look at Space Jockey to see if he has an 8 track tapes to play lol, the Jerry Goldsmith score stands out clearer while on English track its a bit soft down in mix.

I did check between the Laserdisc CAV edition same deal soft and the same with that dreadful version that was used for that dreadful bluray Fox are cheap. Umm, that umm, so called ALIEN theatrical for bluray is the same I don’t need to buy to be disappointed a second time!

The remix on that quad box edition is sick. The LCR or left and right centre-phantom was blended mixed on top of the centre discrete WTF! Yes you have to be listening not hearing it, LISTENING to spot it.

The surrounds remain the same mono discrete as they should. The LFE.1 hasn’t been mucked around with unlike some classic Dolby films with fake LFE.1 and fake stereo surrounds.

Listen to ALIEN region 1 as I can’t stand region 2 with PAL speed-up. Listen to when the crew exits the spaceship though the air-lock. You can’t hear the Foley for sh!t on centre due to some idiot twat mixer that has fE&^ked it right up, and Fox being tight would use this version for that so called perfect bluray format what a joke.

Listen for Ripley when she calls for Parker. You can’t hear the soft faint echo in the voice that is on centre only all that idiot mixer did was stuff the centre up with left/right centre-phantom WTF was going though that idiots mind on in a mixing room, no doubt big enough to swing a cat around.

If you like ALIEN as much as do forget bluray it might only be good enough for the extras or ALIEN 3 screw ALIENS I want grain all the way its like buying bread with no nuts in it I want it nutty, not some senile director that’s losing the plot, I think he’s had one too many deep sea dives and less time in decompression chamber.

Going back to where Ripley says “Parker”? Note the pressure hissing air is on stage channels left and right only and even a poorly home theatre can mess it up with details in the centre being masked and that mixer has only made it worse for quad-box-set.

Oddly ALIENS has stereo surrounds and it sounds decent but was it remixed for home release or was it mixed at Pinewood with stereo surrounds for 70mm? The In-70mm site is bit vague on what titles had split-surrounds and Raiders only had mono surrounds as they sound a bit hooky with occasional stage channel fronts leaking into so called “stereo surrounds” when all you should hear is total isolated discreteness. Its trying to sound like SS and as far as I can recall only two Indy films was released with split-surrounds Temple of Doom and Last Crusade.   

Oh and don’t forget films are mixed for an X-curve so the low end on ALIEN is about right the lows hardly reach down to 20Hz I think they’re around the 30Hz mark  when I did waterfall spectrum lab test on it a few years ago.

ALIENS has deep to high range lows and so on and so on for each film, that are mixed differently from one another.

If I can get hold of cheap projector I and second prints no doubt in bad shape, probably all pink by now. Mag track might be flaking also. I don’t trust studios they’ll do whatever to BS us to make themselves a pot of money and not care a bit about the original mix that some of us didn’t get the pleasure of listening to.

If I can get hold of cheap projector I and second prints no doubt in bad shape, probably all pink by now. Mag track might be flaking also. I don’t trust studios they’ll do whatever to BS us to make themselves a pot of money and not care a bit about the original mix that some of us didn’t get the pleasure of listening to.

I would take a guess ALIEN had two of the same “boom channels” and only thing for home is they’re are no format codes like cinema has.

Its easy to put the original mix on DVD with the same channel configuration.

Use the LCR as normal and use the two surround channels as boom channel for channels 2 and 4 use the LFE.1 that is only filtered and use that as full spectrum mono surround same for the left-centre right-centre put those on the surrounds and have Dolby format codes or digital fagging to trigger and assign those channels to the correct loudspeakers.

Home cinema has always been about recreating the cinema experience since the early 80’s when the first domestic Dolby surround decoders appeared its been shambles or mess since day one for the home when Dolby digital came out into the home its a one track mind no format codes, so classic Todd-AO releases don’t get no justification expected butchered into those dtsHDMA 7.1 WTF The Sound of Music what use is that to me? Five-screen has been ignored for the home release.

TServo2049 said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

Looks like a dodgy aperture plate or the screen masking motor was giving up and projectionist didn't make any preparations to see that the masking was at correct 2.35:1. 

Films often on video disc are seriously cropped on the sides and often sometimes the top and bottom of scope film. Someone needs to go to SpecSavers!     

Mike Verta explained that the print had platter scratches on the edges, so the projectionist probably cropped close to hide them. Also, I think the Senator was a primarily 70mm venue, so its screen was closer to the 70mm aspect ratio, which isn't as wide as 2.35:1. The amount of image shown in the Senator screenshots has an aspect ratio close to 2.20:1.

But did the projectionist crop it too much, even if we take these things into account? Not sure, it sure looks like it though...

 

Well no excuse for that I seen far worst at an early morning showing of Willow years ago 1990 on my day off, from projection and from reel 3 to the last reel one half of the image looked like a solvent was poured on it. It was all blurred and not one person expect myself got up. As I thought it was too with lens. The guy on duty that morning checked it and it was the print.

Well it was only a one morning showing so no matter it would end up going back to distributor. 

Looking at the video that was taken and very good nicely documented (even though its illegal for picture taking as well as video) I don't give damn too bad no one telecined this version and gave it away on eBay for free. :D    

I can see in subtitle text on Greedo its cropped by the masking and possible a different aperture plate so no visible sides will be seen.

But still nice camera pictures I gather a good SLR digital camera. 

I like the flicker as that is from the shutter between the lamp house and film gate a three sided blade that shuts light on off very fast to create the illusion of motion picture.

I guess someone didn't have enough memory left on the digital card I wanted to listen to audience cheering, when Greedo gets fried.

http://photos.petergaultney.com/Movies/historic/Star-Wars-at-The-Senator/13089279_chpNjq#!i=1495730644&k=GnX2777&lb=1&s=A

I like the audience reaction that is how it was in December 1977 cheers from the audience. And the wookie is still fast asleep. lol   

http://photos.petergaultney.com/Movies/historic/Star-Wars-at-The-Senator/13089279_chpNjq#!i=1495829701&k=L4tFtBx&lb=1&s=A

Also the screen capture of the DVD it has to be dismissed! Look at the 35mm print its got whiter whites! The DVD looks like it was filtered though a pair of George Lucas socks.

danny_boy said:

 

Hmm......was drooling over the technicolour shots that i did not realize that the print had the edges of the frame cropped off.

 

I compared the same frames from the technicolour print to the 2004 DVD

 

Looks like a dodgy aperture plate or the screen masking motor was giving up and projectionist didn't make any preparations to see that the masking was at correct 2.35:1. 

Films often on video disc are seriously cropped on the sides and often sometimes the top and bottom of scope film. Someone needs to go to SpecSavers!     

Smell that?

What!

dts hd master audio on bluray!

I love the smell of dts hd ma bluray melting plastic in the morning.

The force is melting on bluray at Sony ha ha ha 

I sure hope STAR WARS was in that Sony warehouse with that rubbish dts hd master crap audio burnt to a total crisp! 

I couldn’t care less about STAR WARS anymore on SadRay disc! 

SIGH what a shame it isn’t down I hope someone hacks that site into bits! Like they did with The Digital Bits ha ha ha  

bluray is crap format 

The down-mix on my AVR retains the stereo surround and the LFE.1 condensed into 2 channels but it’s hard to tell when the stereo surrounds are active and inactive or how soft or loud they are. LFE.1 plays at different level, when it’s played as Dolby discrete it can sound a bit damn loud and needs a leash on it, to hold it back or balance EQ the levels.

SR in the cinema is still the best analogue sound you could hear! Dolby type A is also good sounding, but not used anymore hence the term Dolby SR-D.

Lots of now and then Dolby type A and SR cards turn up on fleabay, but some are wanting you to bid, no thanks. Some, sale them off at practically give away prices.

Also you can attach a short wire cable to the screw fixings on each device and that may isolate ground the humming issue without spending silly amounts of money.

Also next option is parametric EQ and dial in the frequency at 60Hz and make the bandwidth of the filter narrow and reduce the level or cut down so the humming disappears at loss also with any sound effect that is centred around 60Hz would then be reduced drastically! So try grounding the issue.

Hi there

The CLD-1600 is not much different from the European model CLD-1750 which is clone version produced a year after the CLD-1600 came out. I have CLD-1750 NTSC/PAL model.

Not sure if you mean to remove the tray from player is that what you mean?

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_cld-1750/pioneer_cld-1750.htm

http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/pioneer/pioneer_cld-1600/pioneer_cld-1600.htm    

I’ve been watching the current list of Pioneer laserdisc players only up for (buy it now) not in the least bit interested in bidding at silly prices that can go over the cost of the actual player when it was new. Did you bid for yours or (buy it now) at sensible price?

Basically there are two screws holding the transport try in position that is so you can’t pull it out form the player.

Once the screws are removed you can easily pull the tray out and replace it with new one or maybe its the tray that’s not moving all the way back into the player or fully retracting from the player because its slightly out of alignment?

The tray moves in and slides downwards a little bit so it mates the laserdisc or CD with the spindle motor while the hub clamps down to prevent the disc spinning off the spindle motor.

The laserdisc should only take a few seconds to fully stop and the tray moves upwards or eject moves upwards and moves out from the player.

Does it make any winning sounds if so it’s the motor that turns the cogs around inside that might be a little out of alignment.

That is an old player and I’d be surprised if most of its working.

Also spare parts for it are still attainable though some spare part suppliers. I just brought a few spare parts for the CLD-2950 that I used on CLD-1750 as the CLD-2950 needs just a bit more attention to detail to get it full up and working again.

As it goes I rather like CLD-1750 or clone like CLD-1600 which doesn’t have the use of PAL playback there’s a 16:9 button on the CLD-1750 where the Digital audio button is on the CLD-1600 that was turned into 16:9 why I don’t know as there are very few 16:9 laserdisc very few!  

I only know a few words I couldn’t be asked to nail it down 26 years ago.

Pajero

muchas gracias Anda que te coja un burro No me jodas!

Gaffer Tape said:

Um... no.  I just meant that George Lucas went back and altered the sky over the drive-in in the opening shot with a digital sunset.

Anyway, last movie I've seen:

Superman.

Oh, yeah I know the one you’re ranting about. I have the DVD first edition is it the same as what was on Sky? There have been versions on TV many, many years back and those where panned and scanned with the opening in scope and end credits. 

Also there’s THX laserdisc version which I think is the same as the DVD extras part of the Universal Signature Collection.

Was the caped wonder good for you as it was for me, back in 1978? I like vintage films it helps lets us escape in its word for a few hours what marvellous invention film is.

I can’t really comment on what film I saw last because I’ve been doing a few sound alignment tests in the past few days.  Okay last one I viewed was Earthquake (1974) it may not be close to the original (((Sensurround))) experience of early 1975, which I saw three times!

It still rumbles with soap and characters you ether love or hate. Jody is wacko in Earthquake LOL. Charlton Heston I can’t help taking my eyes off such one of many iconic actors of the 20^th century. The lows on the LFE.1 when the added extension of rumble comes in on the big one chapter 8, lasts for 8 minutes, and if you could bare to stand the theatrical level of near 120dbc, it was LOUD!!!!!

In the home I play it laser level 105dbc max would be just about tolerable for 8 minutes.

The lows sound more like random pink noise that is generated on the original release by a sound generator, the film had an encoding that triggered the sound generator to produce lows that extended down to around an 18Hz. The DVD seems filtered to around 30Hz on the LFE.1 no big deal its still rumbles loud enough and how many hear tones that is down at 30Hz each day!

Gaffer Tape said:

Just saw American Graffiti for the first time.  Damn that digital sky.  Damn it to hell!

Let me guess they cut the end credits with silly voiceover announcing the next film! SIGH

Let me guess they cropped off the sides of the image buy zooming in on the image! SIGH

Let me guess they panned and scanned it to death! SIGH

Let me guess Sky digital doesn’t do justice to films. SIGH

That’s why I don’t bother watching British TV no more! I don’t have to pay for the licence so the TV inspector told me years ago. I’ve got willpower that says I’ve just about had enough of the British TV garbage, I live quite happily without it.

Its ether laserdisc DVD not so much bluray anymore or a CD I don’t have turntable for my LP! SIGH   

Also TV’s have high contrast level.

This was noted in short written interview with director John Carpenter for The Thing laserdisc release many years ago. Also in an audio commentary session with producer and director of Independence Day Dean Devlin noticed how the star-field looked brighter than theatrical release.

adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

No its not! Its about someone who is trying to come out of closet to confess, that he’s really homosexual.

Please grow up and get used to the fact you’re on the ignore list!

It’s not a laughing matter no more! It’s childish! 

Pot kettle and black. You tell someone to grow up and yet you resort to the most childish thing by calling someone gay. Very mature that.And you're supposed to be 43? Geez. It's idiots like you that make me ashamed to be British. Man, we stopped calling people out like that when we left the playground And how is this any more childish that throwing your dummy out of the pram going around the internet posting the same old crap about how you won't buy the star wars blu-rays because they'll have DTS audio even though you know nothing about this? You are coming across far more immature than Frink is. At least Frink is being humorous when you are coming across as a little psychotic. I mean, come on, you put the same crap almost word for word on comments on star wars videos on you tube, star wars pages on facebook and then you invade here.

Jedi Temple34 said:

Now grown up or piss off to another site!  

And you've been a member how long? What gives you the right to tell someone to piss off to another site just because you don't like them, especially when they have been here a lot longer than you have?. This isn't your site you know. The thread wasn't started to be about you. It was about who was being ignored by you because you put almost everyone on your ignore list which is something that was unheard of, especially putting people on the list you had had no interaction with. And don't come back with that "must have been a software glitch" bullshit that you spouted earlier because we're not as dumb as you try to make out.

Take a step back, look in the mirror and realise that you have some serious issues and then maybe you won't be the biggest joke on these forums

 

EDIT: I just noticed that you took me off your ignore list. I guess i'm back on it. Or are you going to be man enough to take some criticism? And i know what i wrote has come across as harsh but it really pisses me off when a newbie comes in here and starts telling older members to piss off out and think they own the boards. If you could hold a civil conversation like your reply ion the blu ray thread then i would be more than happy to have a proper conversation with you and be civil towards you. Sometimes you just do need to take a step back and see how you are coming across, because it isn't good at times.

Wow big meaningful words! Playground! Didn’t know the internet is one massive playground!!

No its pricks like him that stirs the pot and is asking for it!

Its not my site and nor is it your site. We’re nothing more than members here that ether contributes to the technical grounds of Star Wars or other film works.

I seem to recall that TV frink mentioning he hardly contributes. Sounds like a troll to me. I registered early 2007 and have hardly been around the site, practically in the last 4 weeks and bit. Then I get a silly pm asking me why am I on the ignore list! Wow, doesn’t that person understand what ignore means?

Anyway I don’t have beef with you.      

Its little attention TV Frink seekers who wants attention. Well he got it! How does it taste so far because I hope it was good for you?

ChainsawAsh said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

As to is Underworld (2003) on bluray its only the directors cut edition and that wins an epic fail for bluray!   

No, that's not an epic fail for Blu-Ray.  That's an epic fail for the studio that released the film.

I’d go along with that! Epic fail for the shameless shame, shame on you Sony Pictures  I think it's under in the USA we know your name studio! Is that better! LOL   

adywan said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

I find some bluray ether too dark comparing some generation of laserdisc to DVD to bluray (some).

A lot of these problems can be down to the fact that many laserdiscs were overly bright due to the telecine process  but also can be down to the colour range a player uses for blu-ray. Some players will default at 0-255 for blu-ray and this can look too dark if watched on a CRT or older LCD/PLasma that don't support the extended range. Whereas DVD should play at 16-235 which is the range both DVD's and Blu-rays are encoded at. If you player has an extended range setting in its setup then disable it and you'll notice a big difference. But the last thing si that its a fad with hollywood at the moment to crush blacks to give deeper black levels when transferring a movie. This is more than evident on the Star Wars DVDs so it's nothing to do with Blu-Ray as its been happening on DVD for a while now

Is that so range setting nope I’m familiar with my model and I’ve not noticed a setting under that term.

Alien is brighter on laserdisc CAV and there is a VR variable resistor inside the player that can be turned down to reduce the amount of (white level)? Maybe contrast level? Alien on DVD looks a bit on the darker side hard to recall the once seen theatrical version 35mm print at double Alien bill, early around 1990 summertime.

I remember seeing the X at the start of the BBFC too young to watch Alien in 1979. I heard it was great and wanted to see it. Well I did around 1982 and it scared me even the sounds scared me and I hide behind the sofa and covered my ears up. LOL

I’ve gotten somewhere used to now and it sounds great!

Also there is missing musical sound like instrument on the DVD version and you can mark my words it will be missing on the bluray due out sometime next week! Its where the acid drops though the hull.

When the crew reaches one of the lower level on the ship, listen to where they enter a room there is musical winning like sound on the laserdisc version same as cinema version! Its not to be found or heard on the Dolby stereo 6channel DVD versions!

You might hear it on the audio commentary first edition DVD with Ridley Scott but you have to listen real HARD as it faint in the background! So what version is he viewing that we are being denied. Now then!

Warbler said:

Jedi Temple34 said:

TV's Frink said:

A grown man with a three-year-old daughter has seen enough My Little Pony to last a lifetime.

btw, to correct your previous post, this is not a thread for you, it's a thread about you.  Big difference.

 

No its not! Its about someone who is trying to come out of closet to confess, that he’s really homosexual. Wow you must like me so much to talk about another forum member! I don’t know of many other places that do this, once someone goes on his/her ignore list, no one starts up a silly childish immature thread, like what you’ve done.

Please grow up and get used to the fact you’re on the ignore list!

It’s not a laughing matter no more! It’s childish! Now grown up or piss off to another site!  

 

not that I really care that much, but he didn't start this thread because you put him are your ignore list.   He started this thread because you put a lot of people on your ignore list.  

I couldn’t care less who else is, on (so and so ignore list) on this, forum site.

If someone doesn’t chose to interact with you, that’s there right and my right I couldn’t care less who has me on the ignore.

Its only attention seekers like TV Frink who wants attention 24/7 Wow he must be like one of those lost puppies look for new home!

Seriously Star Wars fan or no Star Wars fan if you lived next-door to me, with this, attitude like TV Frink I would completely ignore you.

This conversation serves no more purpose, good bye and take care.

TV's Frink said:

A grown man with a three-year-old daughter has seen enough My Little Pony to last a lifetime.

btw, to correct your previous post, this is not a thread for you, it's a thread about you.  Big difference.

No its not! Its about someone who is trying to come out of closet to confess, that he’s really homosexual. Wow you must like me so much to talk about another forum member! I don’t know of many other places that do this, once someone goes on his/her ignore list, no one starts up a silly childish immature thread, like what you’ve done.

Please grow up and get used to the fact you’re on the ignore list!

It’s not a laughing matter no more! It’s childish! Now grown up or piss off to another site!