JayArgonaut

Wazzles said:

For the time being, unless I am convinced otherwise, I think I’ll leave off The Road Warrior but include Do the Right Thing.

Consider the following, from the thread link I included:

captainsolo said:

The best evidence was provided by the original cinematographer on the commentary track IIRC. He talked of having to go to the film lab multiple times to push the colors to get that more saturated look of the desert. That is the intended look reflected on the 35mm theatrical prints, the VHS, LD and DVD issue from a print sourced master. That used a US print under the RW title and slightly edited. The BD uses what is presumably a fresh HD scan of the Australian master, hence the uncut film and MM2 title card. It also is the master so it lacks the intended color timing, making it yet another film misrepresented in HD due to using camera negatives and not replicating theatrical color timing.

For the DVD release, Disney has censored the 1-800-SPANKME scene in The Santa Clause after complaints from parents whose children had called what turned out to be a real number. 😄

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111070/alternateversions

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19971019&slug=2566882

Here’s the scene from an LD rip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOwAbjhyDo

Funnily enough, the BBC aired an uncensored version just two years ago.

SilverWook said:

Allegedly some early video copies don’t have that credit, as Harlan bought The Terminator on LD and was perturbed it wasn’t there. At least that’s what I read somewhere many years ago.

That’s interesting, I wonder if the wrong master was used for the transfer. It probably ruined his plans to show off to his friends. I bet he threatened another round of litigation. 😃

Alien Awakening. I gave up on the franchise after Prometheus - even the fan edit that restored the deleted scenes still left me disappointed.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6980596/

The endless remakes and reboots scheduled for release in 2018, including yet another version of Scarface. Hire writers and directors who will come up with new ideas.

SilverWook said:

That reviewer seems totally unaware of all the fan preservation work that led to this coming out at all.

After many incidents, I have concluded that the average journalist (whatever their field), doesn’t know that much and will undertake the bare minimum of research that is necessary to get by.

The aspect ratio of Star Trek VI was altered to 1.85:1 on the 2004 SE DVD and the director also included the following visual alterations:

• There is a new wide shot of Scotty reading the blueprints of the Enterprise in the dining hall.

• Valeris’s interrogation scene has been entirely reedited. There are now close up shots of Kirk and McCoy when they speak their lines instead of being in wide shots. When Spock and Valeris name a particular conspirator, the face of that person briefly appears in a flashback like style.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102975/alternateversions

The colour timing on Do The Right Thing was altered by the cinematographer for the 2009 anniversary edition.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/37694/do-the-right-thing-20th-anniversary-edition-2-disc-set/

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/htf-blu-ray-review-do-the-right-thing-recommended.283608/page-2#post-3733842

https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/6huod5/do_you_think_criterion_will_re_release_do_the/

It’s certainly a fascinating topic but also worrying that so many filmmakers and studios feel compelled to retroactively alter - and in some cases, mutilate their work.

How could we have overlooked Mad Max 2/The Road Warrior? Its even been the subject of a project on here:

Warner Brothers has altered the colour timing on the HD master that has been used for the Blu-ray releases and HDTV airings.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Road-Warrior-Blu-ray/66814/

Also discussed here: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Mad-Max-Rarities-Road-Warrior-Japanese-DVD/id/4451/page/5

ChainsawAsh said:

Wow, Solaris was your first foreign film? I’ve known people who are super into foreign films that couldn’t stand Solaris.

I’m into world cinema in a big way and I loved Solaris. I’ve also seen the Soderbergh adaptation. Lew derided Soderbergh’s approach as reducing the storyline to, “Love in Outer Space.”

ChainsawAsh said:

Might I recommend:

• Pan’s Labyrinth
• Let the Right One In
• City of God (2002)
• Rashomon (or any Kurosawa, but that’s my favorite)
• The Lives of Others
• Das Boot
• Stalker (same director as Solaris)

All good choices. I saw City of God at my local art house cinema during its original release and I was transfixed from beginning to end. During a conversation with a Brazilian, I mentioned it and they launched into a tirade, “Cidade de Deus is not the only film from Brazil!” Yep, I had no idea. That entire semester during my BA where I studied Hispanic and Lusophone cinema was all for nothing. 😃

I’d also recommend:

• The Golden Dream
• Joint Security Area
• Black Book
• The Baader Meinhof Complex
• La Haine
• Mesrine
• Elevate (2011)

The other day, I caught Viva Zapata on TV - the combination of Kazan and Steinbeck sold me and it was interesting to see how it had influenced the work of so many filmmakers - from Lucas, to Coppola, to Noyce.

The G said:

I remember back when i soft modded my Wii this message popped up when i was installing:

Harmy should put something like this in v3.0 of the DEED XD.

😃 Ah! That made the Wii my favourite console for a long time. Play NTSC games, run home-brew stuff, watch DVD’s region free. If only the ReBug hack on my PS3 worked so well.

Possessed said:

Most fanedits have something like that at the beginning. Unfortunately those are really easy to trim out and redistribute. In fact, with programs like virtualdub and avidemux removing something like that could even be done without re encoding.

Yeah, a few keystrokes and it’s gone. You’d have to take the screener route and embed a periodic warning throughout the video along these lines:

Of course, that would lead to complaints about spoiling the enjoyment of the material etc. but it’s probably the only method that’s guaranteed to throw a spanner in the works of these opportunists.

“All Despecialized discs are free. You are paying for materials used; as well as the time and effort spent for downloading, burning, and printing.”

Awww, that’s so noble of them.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I don’t know if he was harassing Harmy, but he certainly was harassing Adywan.

JEDIT: Recently I ran into someone who dispensed with “Hello” or, “How are you?” and immediately yelled at me: “You haven’t emailed me! If you don’t want to email me, just say!” That kind of psycho behaviour is really going to encourage me to contact you.

Isn’t that what JediMasterObiWan/SithMasterSidious was doing? Or was his harassment directed at Harmy? I can’t keep track of all this.

Whatever said:

Wow.
This is really the lowest shit there is.
Banned for defending myself agains some arrogant fuckups attacking me, because Im new and they disagree with logic, and facts.
And it does not matter that they can’t prove anything, and don’t even try, because they are here longer.

You say here Disney and you are banned.
You get attecked you are not allowed to defend yourself, but if you try you are banned.
But attacking people. No problem.
Lying. No problem.
Being an asshole. No problem.
Just suck up to the boss, and remove the new guy.
Briliant.

Oh and,
EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT DISNEY ORDERED THE RESHOOT OF ROGUE ONE!

Teach that you retarded TV’s FUCK!
And when you finished your teaching moment you can spell check everything stupid grammar nazi.

BAN THIS USER TOO!
Not coming back anyway. No one can help idiots.

I would report myself, but there is no button to report myself.

So many happy people on the Internet.

In the meantime, I think I can predict, without the aid of any mystical clairvoyance, who is going to be banned next.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Do-My-Essay-For-Me-Cheap/id/56908

DuracellEnergizer said:

Jeebus said:

I predict…

It all depends on how smart he is.

I give him another month. Two at most.

Certainly a friendly soul…

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1115274

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1111041

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1111032

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1091849

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Glad Jani’s been made to sit on the naughty step. I was beginning to shout, “SERENITY NOW!” whenever I read a new post. I always got the impression that English wasn’t his/her first language because the attitude seemed obnoxious for no real reason. Maybe something was getting lost in the translation?

Doubt it. Some people are just unpleasant without the need of any justification and the perceived anonymity of the Internet adds fuel to their fire.

It surprised me that Coppola didn’t record new commentaries for the restored versions, as I would’ve loved to hear him reflecting in the context of the films receiving an overhaul. I own the Blu-ray, the 1997 W/S VHS releases and the P&S chronological Trilogy VHS. Out of curiosity, what did you think of the look of the Saga and EPIC broadcasts by AMC and HBO in recent years? Again, the issue wasn’t with the Restoration’s transfer but the colours that were imposed by Gordon Willis. 😃

Here’s another addition to the list that’s so obvious that it’s easy to forget.

After Ellison threatened legal action, subsequent prints of The Terminator have since carried, “Acknowledgement to the works of Harlan Ellison” during the end credits.

https://www.wired.com/2011/07/pl_prototypeglasshand/

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/07/03/the-terminator-before-1984s-the-terminator

http://www.jamescamerononline.com/Ellison.htm

ChainsawAsh said:

Ford has vehemently denied that rumor on many, many occasions. I’m not sure if I believe him though.

Bud Yorkin has said that if Ford hated the narration and was aiming to make it unusable, he’s never intimated that to him. Apparently Scott wasn’t opposed to the idea of a narration, it was the style narration delivered by Ford that he opposed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyWHJ5o60L0

(Fast Fwd to 42:00 if you just want to hear Yorkin’s comment)

Another addition: Philadelphia and I remember the situation because it was quite well publicised at the time. The storyline is partially based on the life of Geoffrey Bowers but TriStar had failed to honour an agreement to credit him and compensate his family. Years of litigation followed and the case was settled.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=9gC2ZSh5qJQC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=geoffrey+bowers+philadelphia&source=bl&ots=1sz1TmPCFU&sig=ynIIMb1Q58gK9pCyB9whSL4FHHE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdwbDt-tfWAhXBHxoKHRsNAHA4FBDoAQgnMAE#v=onepage&q=geoffrey bowers philadelphia&f=false

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/478479/FILMMAKERS-ADMIT-PHILADELPHIA-WAS-BASED-ON-REAL-LIFE.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/real-reel-aids-case-article-1.724225

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/20/nyregion/philadelphia-makers-settle-suit.html

The end credits were then altered to include the following acknowledgement:

“This motion picture was inspired in part by Geoffrey Bowers’ AIDS discrimination lawsuit, the courage and love of the Angius family and the struggles of the many others who, along with their loved ones, have experienced discrimination because of AIDS.”

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107818/trivia?item=tr0790590

oojason said:

I completely forgot about this…

^ from https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/terminator-2-judgement-day-blu-ray-bilingual/6000187756219

Thanks for remembering. 😄

That looks interesting. I’m tempted to check it out, but first I have a mountain of stuff to get through. Speaking of which…

Mandatory reading for my literature review.

TV’s Frink said:

JayArgonaut said:

Anyway, not everyone in the world uses the same spellings for English words as North Americans. (Cue a tirade from R.R. along the lines of, “Damn you! It’s how the freaking film title is spelled!” etc.)

True…but in this case, is the spelling variant actually used in the movie title?

No, hence me predicting a tirade from the person in question. 😃

TV’s Frink said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1113224

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1113659

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1113694

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1113697

Ok then… I understand where he was coming from regarding Darth Solo’s behaviour but yeah, completely tasteless.

Yes, I agree, they definitely look phenomenal but as the insider laments…

“So on the one hand you have a beautiful transfer but the color is off. Badly. And it’s not going to be corrected in this lifetime.”

oojason said:

Thanks for posting that - a quality watch and re-assuring to see how they have both approached this new film.

Looking forward to seeing more about it - and eventually the film itself 😃

You’re welcome, me too! Especially after seeing T2 at the BFI IMAX not too long ago. 😃

RayRogers said:

It’s Judgment Day, not Judgement Day.

You posted, just for that?

Anyway, not everyone in the world uses the same spellings for English words as North Americans. (Cue a tirade from R.R. along the lines of, “Damn you! It’s how the freaking film title is spelled!” etc.)