Jay

Cool.

Locking this topic since it’s neither a) a project thread nor b) a public screening.

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So this drama has started up again. Part of it has been due to our lax enforcement of the rules, so my apologies for that. Part of it is because people are acting like babies.

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Thank you.

I just posted a fix for this. Let me know if it works.

I can’t replicate this, nor can I find that specific error in the logs. Are you still getting it?

Can you paste the exact URL you’re following?

JEDIT: Nevermind, found it. I’ll look into the problem because it seems to be happening on valid URLs, so I’m not sure what the issue is. Let me know if you’re still seeing the error.

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Thanks everyone for your cooperation.

What link did you follow to get to the thread? Was it from an e-mail or directly from the topic list? Have you seen it since?

Can anyone else report the same problem?

towne32 said:

You mean like this guy?

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Ability-to-link-to-certain-posts-within-the-context-of-a-thread/id/47470/page/1#896754

Yes, without manually hacking the URL 😃 It’s the same format as the direct links in the topic subscription e-mails.

Any more personal attacks and we start issuing temporary bans.

SilverWook said:

We only saw Snoke as a big ass hologram. Palpatine ended up looking nothing like his hologram in ESB. 😉

It’s still mediocre CG.

There were only two instances of bad CGI that took me out of the movie: the rathtar chase (stupid sequence overall, felt like the prequels) and Snoke (looked like CG from 10 years ago).

Otherwise, I thought the effects were very well done.

You’re not missing it. The ability to link to posts within their parent topic didn’t make it into the launch version, but it’ll be in the first update, which is coming soon.

If you look at the screenshots I posted here, you’ll see a link to the individual post in the top right of each post. I’ll also add a similar link to the post details page so you can jump to that post in the topic.

The ability to edit a topic’s title will be in one of the coming updates. No specific timeline, though.

SilverWook said:

And Luke came perilously close to killing his own father. Not everybody sees the wrong they are doing, and makes the right choice.

Luke’s father was swinging a lightsaber at him and taunting him with turning his sister to the Dark Side, all while his friends were fighting and dying right out the window.

Ren’s father was touching his son’s face and offering whatever he could to bring him back. He got a lightsaber in the torso for his trouble.

Not really the same thing 😃

Yoda Is Your Father said:

How about if there was an in-story explanation that stopped it being a parallel for the sake of it and made it into a plot point? For example, what if Ren himself believed that this was something he had to do, specifically because it was something that had gone before (presumably he’s aware that Luke is Vader’s son). Would the characters in the movie acknowledging the mirrors of history make you ok with it? (just asking - personally I would like to see the characters acknowledge the similarities).

I’d still probably see it as lazy writing, but making it part of the plot would at least add some weight behind it. That would only explain a specific instance such as this one, though. It doesn’t fix Death Star III.

I wanted a new story with the old characters handing the baton to the new characters. I got new characters doing what the old characters did, with the old characters as window dressing. Ultimately, it’s my own expectations that are to blame here.

It’s not a bad Star Wars movie. I just don’t think it’s a particularly good one either.

SilverWook said:

Even the best parents in the world can lose a kid to a corrupting outside influence. If Palpatine had a silver tongue, Snoke is probably the master of mixing truth and lies.

Yeah, but…he killed his own father. With a lightsaber. To the chest.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

But I’m not sure the blame for the entire state of the galaxy can be put on Han and Leia (as a few people have suggested).

Certainly not. I doubt Han failed in such a total and complete way as a parent that he produced Space Hitler II as a son. It’s easy to see him not being present as a father and not living up to the legend he had become, though. He’s also a smartass who tends to blow his top and then apologize later.

Ren’s current state is probably a combination of Han’s failures as a father, Ren’s expectations of him, and whatever honey Snopes poured into his ear, but how did it get so bad that he was willing to kill him?

Yet another parallel to the OT that just seems lazy to me. In order to continue on his path to the Dark Side, Ren had to confront his father, and instead of saving him, kill him.

Ugh.

TV’s Frink said:

because TFA negates the victories and outcomes of the original trilogy

Disagree. If for no other reason that we haven’t seen how everything happened or what will happen going forward.

This has become the fallback position for things that aren’t adequately explained in TFA.

Based on what we know now, the Republic has been crippled — if not destroyed — because they failed to maintain vigilance against the same type of enemy they encountered in the past, Leia is running the Rebellion (excuse me, the Resistance) from a basement, and Han is a loser who went back to smuggling because apparently he couldn’t cut it as a hero and father. And Luke is Ben now, except he has a sad, so he went to Ireland on holiday.

I actually like that these heroic characters went on to experience tragedy in their lives after experiencing both crushing defeats and epic highs, but it seems to be in service to the retread rather than genuine storytelling. What I didn’t see, what there wasn’t enough of, was HOW and WHY these characters we love ended up as they did. Punting it to the next installment is lazy, and I bet we don’t get answers to a lot of these questions.

And Jay, I also provided a serious response to the “Bad Parents” thing, you may have missed that.

For what it’s worth, I also assumed failed parenting played a major role in Ren’s situation. You don’t stab your dad through the chest with a lightsaber without holding some serious resentment toward him, and it’s not hard to picture a nomad like Han having difficulty settling down and raising a kid.

TV’s Frink said:

Yep, you’re definitely a computer.

TV’s Frink said:

Maybe he(?) is a droid.

It’s ever-so-slightly dickish to respond to some of the most lucid and thoughtful posts about TFA we’ve seen here with snide quips. Doesn’t really speak to the strength of your own arguments. How about responding to his points?

TFA is a success not because it met high expectations, but because it had its bar set very low thanks to the prequels, and just because it shares logical inconsistencies with the OT doesn’t mean it fits logically in the Star Wars universe.

Framing a shot because it looked good in another movie is not the same as trying to evoke the same feelings as the shot’s inspiration.

The parallels to Nazism in TFA are pretty clear, however.

SilverWook said:

Delicieuxz said:

The Nazi imagery scenes in TFA were beneath anything Star Wars, and the film jumped the shark at that point. Also, Hans supposed death was silly in so many ways: On a bridge over a chasm, mimicking the Luke and Vader scene at Cloud City in ESB… father facing his son, who is literally a Vader wannabe… the beam of light on them, which fades as the son makes his attack…

I have never associated the award ceremony with Nazism. Just because it’s visually similar to a Nazi rally doesn’t mean they evoke the same feelings.

The speech in TFA was definitely Third Reich-ish. There’s really no comparison to the award ceremony in ANH.

That’s not to say I have a problem with the First Order being comparable to Nazis. Kind of trite and easy in terms of making them appear evil, but it didn’t bother me as much as other problems TFA has.

I can’t remember if there’s a Github issue related to this or not, but yeah, it’s been in the back of my mind for some time. Long signatures are annoying, particularly on mobile devices. It would be nice to have the ability to hide them.

I’m also planning to collapse nested quote blocks as well. Those have gotten out of hand.