Jay

No problem. Certainly better than asking the old hosting service to look into it and then waiting 2 days for a response.

For some reason, the server’s CPU went crazy and the database started having problems. Need to investigate, but I rebooted and everything seems back to normal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design

The layout will change based on the size of the browser window, independent of the device on which it’s viewed.

Opera 12.17 is 2 years old. Time to upgrade.

This feature will never exist. Don’t post on a public forum if you don’t want your words preserved for eternity (or the death of the internet, whichever comes first).

Side note: any posts a member decides to wipe clean on their way out can be restored quite easily, so don’t bother.

ElectricTriangle said:

Jay said:

I must be missing something, because most of the DC additions and alternate takes are an improvement (especially the bit about Scotty’s nephew, which wasn’t in the theatrical cut and caused Scotty’s subsequent emotional breakdown not to make sense) and the color balance and shadow detail are so much better on the DC.

Hunt mentions that he’ll have more news on Star Trek BDs, so I’m hoping we finally get properly restored versions of the rest of the filmography.

The Director’s cut is the dvd. The one labeled theatrical is the blu ray.

Ah, shit. The detail was pretty bad in the clip, and for some reason I had it stuck in my head that the Blu-ray was the DC.

That is absolutely a letdown. Hopefully Meyer’s participation in the UHD release means we’ll get the DC.

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

That was actually not a bad blu ray compared to the others…

Oh really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_s4ULn4yw8&feature=youtu.be&t=8m34s

I must be missing something, because most of the DC additions and alternate takes are an improvement (especially the bit about Scotty’s nephew, which wasn’t in the theatrical cut and caused Scotty’s subsequent emotional breakdown not to make sense) and the color balance and shadow detail are so much better on the DC.

Hunt mentions that he’ll have more news on Star Trek BDs, so I’m hoping we finally get properly restored versions of the rest of the filmography.

Welcome back, fullmetal777. Also, goodbye.

/thread

(as far as I’m concerned, great post)

Jetrell Fo said:

Not in the best interest and unethical means are two separate things.

I stand by the language in my original post.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

To suddenly call it quits on the project for no clear reason seems absolutely nuts to me. It would’ve absolutely been one of the most important and valuable preservations of all time.

You’ll need to take that up with TN1. I only banned their account; I don’t run the team.

Jetrell Fo said:

So their unethical status was based on a perspective Jay, and not real evidence?

I’m guessing you did well in high school debate class.

Every law on the books today is based on someone’s perspective. From our perspective and the perspective of members we trust most, we believe TN1’s actions were not in the best interest of the community. They’re free to weigh in with their perspectives, as I said.

If that doesn’t meet your personal standard, you’re free to resume the forum vacation you never actually went on.

Jetrell Fo said:

Is the evidence of the accusers going to be presented openly as williarob has done or is that evidence in some off limits state at this point?

Let’s be conservative with the use of the word “evidence”.

Williarob has one perspective. Other perspectives have been presented that differ from his. Little hard “evidence” besides clips of e-mails and chat transcripts have been made available, none of which is concrete evidence of anything. Based on the sources we have at this point and the trust we place in them, we believe the ban of TN1’s team account is justified.

I’m sorry that your trust in us is shaken, but if the years we’ve spent maintaining this community haven’t been enough to shore up that trust so it can withstand times like these, I’m afraid we never really had it to begin with and I’m not going to try to sell you on our intentions now.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

I wish it wasn’t though. It seems like all this multiple account drama has eclipsed the prospect of a potentially killer Technicolor release that has now inexplicably been halted. I know this is the Team Negative 1 thread/announcement and everything, but in terms of relative importance it seems like absolutely nothing compared to the loss of what would’ve been one of the most important fan preservations of all time. I don’t know if it’s a case of tragic irony or not seeing the forest for the trees… but the fact that here we sit on a forum you created dedicated to preserving the films in the purest ways possible and on the cusp of a public release of the Tecnicolor scan everyone’s always dreamed of, suddenly everyone is distracted by inconsequential e-drama nonsense.

Let me be clear about one thing: the goal of this site has always been, and will continue to be, the availability of a legitimate, legal release of the restored original trilogy – one that compensates the artists and owners of the original work and is widely available to the public without having to dig around the dark corners of the web to find it and risk being ratted out by their ISP and sued into oblivion.

If anyone is under the impression that TN1’s efforts represent the culmination of our goals as a community, they are mistaken.

Is their work awesome? Yes.

Is it the end game? No.

I’d like to see all parties involved hash this out and come to an understanding so they can work together to get us where we need to be. That’s why we built a community around this cause…so we can work together.

Again, anyone on TN1 is welcome to participate here using their own accounts. The fact that this thread is still open and visible should lend some credibility to our position. It would be very easy to make all this go away with a few mouse clicks.

My mistake was allowing TN1 to maintain a team account in the first place. I allowed their contributions to the community to influence my decision. I apologize to the community for my lapse in judgment.

Anyone directly involved with the situation is free to post, but in the interest of transparency, we’re going to do it as ourselves and not hide behind a group account.

The team account and the drama/confusion surrounding it are the core issue here. The left hand often didn’t know what the right hand was doing. But based on what I’ve seen, I don’t doubt there was some questionable behavior by at least one of the team’s members, and as I also said to Williarob privately, being on a team means eating from the same shit sandwich when things go south. Williarob’s information (all of which I believe is secondhand given his status on the team at the time most of these events transpired) isn’t enough to convince me that the other information I’ve received is incorrect.

The debate over team accounts is finished; they’re all banned and forbidden. Case closed.

All TN1 team members are welcome to participate here as themselves. It’s only the team account that’s banned.

The only member from TN1 who has offered any explanation of these events to me personally is Williarob. I lifted the ban on negative1’s account, so he can post here if he likes. Any other member of TN1 is also welcome to post. The ban on the team account will remain in effect.

Also, Williarob, please don’t PM me anymore since you can’t keep our communications private. I have nothing to hide, but that’s bad form.

Team accounts are now forbidden (first post has been updated).

Keep it on topic, please.

Let’s keep the sniping and joking to a minimum in this one, please. I don’t want a lot of background noise, especially since people have demanded clarity on this issue.

Thank you.

The topic has been reopened. Please see the first post for updates.

Thread locked unless/until we can present more facts. Speculation helps no one.

Our decision has nothing to do with the “grey areas” in which fan preservations operate or the avoidance of publicity that comes from allowing fan preservation discussion here. Harmy’s Despecialized Edition has already heaped a ton of visibility on ot.com and we’ve seen very positive results for our cause and the community brought about by that visibility; the suggestion that we’d kick a community member to the curb just to spare us some exposure is offensive.

However, I understand the reaction due to the vagueness of the original post. I apologize for not being more specific. There are standards and ethics within the fan preservation community and that’s what this is about. Team Negative1 did something they shouldn’t have. Posting more details could make life harder for other members of the community, so we can’t get into a lot of detail right now, but given Team Negative1’s prominence in the community, we had to say something.

We’ve always been open with the community about every challenge we’ve faced, so we’ll share more details if we are able.

It has come to our attention that some of the recent screen shots posted by Team Negative1 are from a scan of a print that has been obtained by unethical means without the owner’s knowledge or consent. The administration of originaltrilogy.com would like to make it clear that this behavior is totally unacceptable and has no place in our preservation community. We have therefore decided to ban the Team Negative1 account permanently.

Edit for clarification (as much as possible, anyway):

There has been no contact or directive from anyone at Disney or Lucasfilm that has driven this decision.

Our decision also has nothing to do with the “grey areas” in which fan preservations operate or the avoidance of publicity that comes from allowing fan preservation discussion here. Harmy’s Despecialized Edition has already heaped a ton of visibility on ot.com and we’ve seen very positive results for our cause and the community brought about by that visibility; the suggestion that we’d kick a community member to the curb just to spare us some exposure is offensive.

However, I understand the reaction due to the vagueness of the original post. I apologize for not being more specific. There are standards and ethics within the fan preservation community and that’s what this is about. Team Negative1 did something they shouldn’t have. Posting more details could make life harder for other members of the community, so we can’t get into a lot of detail right now, but given Team Negative1’s prominence in the community, we had to say something.

We’ve always been open with the community about every challenge we’ve faced, so we’ll share more details if we are able.

Edit #2 for actual clarification:

mverta, who was one of the parties whose privacy we were trying to protect, posted the following in the Legacy thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/910141

Legacy ultimately features the contributions of 4 (really 4 1/2) Tech prints in addition to various Eastman prints. Early on, I was loaned the “Spanish” print by -1. I didn’t end up using much of it, but I had it scanned at 4K. I was also loaned a “so-so” Tech by Person #2, and a really nice Tech by Person #3. For safety, Person #2 was given digital copies of both his AND Person #3’s scans. Person #2 was, at the time, assumed trustworthy, if for no other reason than self-interest. But then things changed. Person #2 decided to give ALL the scans in his possession to -1. Person #3 rightfully freaked the fuck out - he wanted nothing to do with -1, for all the reasons which should now be clear, but it was too late. Of course, relationships have been severed and damage done. Interestingly, in the middle of this process, a member of team -1 reached out to me because they didn’t have the Greedo scene for shit. To be cool, I actually gave them a nice Tech scan of that scene, not knowing they already had it, or were in the process of getting it. So no good deed goes unpunished, I guess.

So -1 ended up with scans they were not supposed to have, and did precisely with them what people were afraid of them doing. However, that’s spilled milk. -1 is in possession of some decent scans, which, when examining their work, should pretty much put to rest any question about how important ability and experience is in film restoration. Clearly, having decent scans ain’t enough.

The topic is now open for discussion again.

RayRogers said:

Since I size the font to be smaller than default on Nightly, could there be something on the sides similar to Nexus? I don’t care for default font sizes.

Not sure what you’re asking for, sorry.

Also would like to post in different fonts. i.e. Times New Roman or Verdana.

Never 😃

Would love to multi-quote.

Already requested and on the feature roadmap.

The old forum had a fixed width of 960 pixels, just as the desktop layout on the current forum does:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150428220939/http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/

Some of you have selective memory.

The current forum DOES resize based on your display size. Load it up on a phone or tablet; it’s fully responsive. The old forum did NOT do this, and it was awful on anything smaller than a large tablet. If you’d used your browser’s dev tools to inspect the source, you would’ve seen the media queries you described.

Go ahead and set the primary container’s width to 85% using your browser’s dev tools and maximize your browser window. I don’t think it’ll be quite as nice on your large display as you seem to believe, unless you enjoy reading entire paragraphs as a single line of text:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kncu68wxukuhvoa/Screenshot 2016-02-07 15.01.14.png?dl=0&preview=Screenshot+2016-02-07+15.01.14.png

Dek Rollins said:

adywan said:

I am not a number…

…I am a free man!

* maniacal laughter *

Haven’t watched it in forever. Time to break out the Blu-rays and have a marathon. (Beautiful restoration btw, for anyone who hasn’t seen it.)

I love that scene, especially with Worf chowing down while everyone else is thoroughly disgusted.

“Delicious.” — Worf

SilverWook said:

Dumb question, can we add people to a private topic later on as needed?

It’s a planned feature. It’s a bit complex because it needs to involve a voting/approval process by the topic’s current invitees. If people could be added to a private topic at will, you’d have no reasonable expectation of privacy as a participant.