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#1251002
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

LordZerome1080 said:

While I have only been here for a few years, I can say that there were more members here. Of course some things got changed but I can’t say whether things are better or not yet as it is too soon to say. However I don’t necessarily like the fact that certain kind fellows like Possessed, Collipso, Frink Your Majesty and a few others have been placed on forced leave. This is all my opinion based off of the scant information that has been left for public consumption by this fourm’s upper class. Please don’t ban me for disagreeing like the ones listed have.

No one was banned for “disagreeing”. If that were the case, there are at least 5 or 10 other members who’d be banned right now.

I can understand why some might disagree with Frink’s ban, especially since he went back and deleted a lot of his posts, but a cursory review of Collipso’s and Possessed’s final contributions to the forum shouldn’t leave any doubt as to why they were banned.

Post
#1251001
Topic
open letter by Collipso
Time

chyron8472 said:

Jay said:

chyron8472 said:

Jay said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

hello. i’m collipso. i registered less than one year ago, when my life was the shittiest its ever been and Star Wars helped me cope with everything. this place ended up helping A LOT too, so first and foremost, thank you all.

somehow though, like many mentioned, the forum has been decreasing in enjoyment constantly (for me) ever since shortly after the TLJ debates died out, which was around march or april.

i really enjoyed off-topic at first. man it was funny as heck, and the regulars here are just really nice people, all of them. at least all i can think of right now.

but… as of right now, i feel desolated. absolutely desolated. an extremely authoritarian action has been taken by the far right claims-to-be-centrist asshole Jay.

honestly Jay, when i first found out that you weren’t exactly appreciated here, i decided to defend you. our interactions had been fun and i quite liked you. i even understood it when you banned me, even though of course the “next guy who posts something gets banned” made no sense and treated us all like children.

but… you became what everyone said you were. an asshole. an idiot. a dick. you started to get in fights where you were obviously wrong but because of how arrogant you are it you completely blind to everyone else’s point of view and to everything that was ACTUALLY going on. i see you’ve brainwashed oojason for example, who claims to deal with facts while only spilling lies, your lies, only your side of the story. half truths are lies too, man.

you refuse to listen to others. you only care about what you think and yourself. you’re no leader. you’re no administrator. you’re nothing more than a man baby who thinks he’s opressed and gets it out on us. fucking pathetic. you’re fucking pathetic sometimes. most times.

and now you banned politics. banned. politics. that was incredibly childish of you. politics is something that’s at the core of every human being. everything is politics. art is political. Star Wars is political. you don’t just get to ban it. this is censorship and a dictatorship. and i won’t take it up the ass. never.

i ask you to reconsider it. unban politics. unlock the threads. grow the fuck up. people disagreed with you, got into heated arguments. that fucking happens, man. fucking deal. but no. dahmage said cool. so he’s an ass. therefore fuck the entire subject of politics.

it just makes no sense and is extremely childish.

you couldn’t follow your own rules man. you attacked others personally and failed to admit it, to apologize. to everyone. that caused the shitstorm we’re seeing, because you’re an asshole, but an asshole with power. those are the worst types of assholes.

so congratulations jay. you didn’t nuke off-topic, but you might as well have. most regular members are gone or leaving. you managed to take away all the fun in this place. all of it. so fuck you. fuck, you.

after months and months of going after frink and some other regular members, you finally did it. you’ve ruined this place to the community that built it. you’ve banned the guy with 80k posts. you’re making decades old members leave.

so i ask you to reconsider, and write an open letter apologizing for everything and unbanning frink and politics. it’s the honorable thing for you to do. it’s actually the only honorable thing for you to do. it’d make me reconsider.

with this, i can say i am leaving the forum. i’ll finish like i started, by thanking you guys. i’ve made some really good friends, such as darthrush, ChainsawAsh (whom i almost met, damn you circumstances!) possessed, frink, dahmage, dom, warb, coffee, and duracell. i never got to tell you before duracell but you might be one of the funniest people around. you, dahmage, frink… i’m going to miss you guys.

so yeah. you’ll see it eventually, Jay. you’re being an idiot, a hypocrite, an asshole. a fucking child. the stupidiest is the one who thinks they know everything. you fit the desceiption. so fuck you, and, sadly, fuck this place. but i’m carrying with me in my heart many good moments and i’m going to be in touch with those i really like. if i don’t end up banned, know that i’m not coming back.

thanks jay. you managed to fuck everything up. please, go drive into a tree.

It’s true. All of it.

Sorry to see you’ve become a casualty of Jay’s arrogance and self-righteousness, too, Collipso. In your short time here you’ve become one of my favorite members of this site I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Talk to you soon, buddy.

In, you know, a more welcoming atmosphere than what this place has become.

I’m sorry to read this since I respect your opinion, but if you really feel this way, you can leave. Everyone who feels this way can.

You’ll forgive me if I don’t drive into a tree over all this.

chucking whole threads with decades-worth of posts over.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-deletion-of-the-political-threads/id/63465

The possibility of the action not being permanent doesn’t necessarily negate it being made.

Eh. I stand by what I said. It really didn’t need to end this way.

Except nothing has ended and the threads haven’t been destroyed, nor has this place fundamentally changed except within the minds of a few who think not being able to snipe at each other over politics is somehow the end of the forum. It’s not.

Someone compared today’s events to Infinity War, and I suppose from your perspective it might be, but from my perspective, it’s reminiscent of a time years ago when I was called a Nazi/censor/etc. for deleting some posts and pushing a few troublesome members toward the exit. Some of those members cooled off and came back, some didn’t. Ultimately, nothing of value was lost.

If the end result of all this is that Off Topic goes a bit quiet and the other categories continue as they have been, I don’t have a problem with it. I’ve been hearing for years that this place sucks now, it’s not like it used to be, and every other variation of “things were better when…” you can imagine. I used to allow my mood to be influenced by that and it still stings occasionally, like in this thread, but I’m mostly immune to it now.

Post
#1250927
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

This past year has seen this forum turn to ass.

Off Topic has been ass for years.

The rest of the forum is fine.

Different strokes and all.

so then maybe leave off topic alone… just saying.

Hard to argue things weren’t more enjoyable here when off topic was unmoderated and we were allowed to have silly fun threads without fear of an admin locking them for seemingly no reason other than he can’t handle some joking criticism.

Unmoderated Off Topic was a caustic shithole that turned new members away.

You guys lived and breathed it for so long that you didn’t see it.

Right, moderated off topic is now incredibly inviting to new members.

The only “new member” who’s had difficulty recently is Collipso, and it should be obvious why.

You can point the finger at me all you want; it doesn’t erase the fact that for years you guys ran Off Topic like it was your private club and membership was based on your approval. That ended a while back and some of you have been salty ever since.

I actually wasn’t much of a frequent poster in off topic until around the time it became moderated, but when I was new here I always appreciated the goofiness that populated the section. So you lumping me in with this nefarious “you guys” generalization is not just condescending, but inaccurate. Not to mention most of the “hazing” you’re talking about was limited to the myspleen thread, which you locked anyway. But you’re free to make up whatever you like to justify your reasoning, it’s your site of course.

I’m not making things up. The overall behavior in Off Topic when it was unmoderated was poor. Your characterization of that behavior being limited to a few threads is inaccurate.

If you didn’t actively participate in that behavior, you have my apologies. I don’t have a running catalog in my brain of every post by every member.

Post
#1250924
Topic
open letter by Collipso
Time

chyron8472 said:

Jay said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

hello. i’m collipso. i registered less than one year ago, when my life was the shittiest its ever been and Star Wars helped me cope with everything. this place ended up helping A LOT too, so first and foremost, thank you all.

somehow though, like many mentioned, the forum has been decreasing in enjoyment constantly (for me) ever since shortly after the TLJ debates died out, which was around march or april.

i really enjoyed off-topic at first. man it was funny as heck, and the regulars here are just really nice people, all of them. at least all i can think of right now.

but… as of right now, i feel desolated. absolutely desolated. an extremely authoritarian action has been taken by the far right claims-to-be-centrist asshole Jay.

honestly Jay, when i first found out that you weren’t exactly appreciated here, i decided to defend you. our interactions had been fun and i quite liked you. i even understood it when you banned me, even though of course the “next guy who posts something gets banned” made no sense and treated us all like children.

but… you became what everyone said you were. an asshole. an idiot. a dick. you started to get in fights where you were obviously wrong but because of how arrogant you are it you completely blind to everyone else’s point of view and to everything that was ACTUALLY going on. i see you’ve brainwashed oojason for example, who claims to deal with facts while only spilling lies, your lies, only your side of the story. half truths are lies too, man.

you refuse to listen to others. you only care about what you think and yourself. you’re no leader. you’re no administrator. you’re nothing more than a man baby who thinks he’s opressed and gets it out on us. fucking pathetic. you’re fucking pathetic sometimes. most times.

and now you banned politics. banned. politics. that was incredibly childish of you. politics is something that’s at the core of every human being. everything is politics. art is political. Star Wars is political. you don’t just get to ban it. this is censorship and a dictatorship. and i won’t take it up the ass. never.

i ask you to reconsider it. unban politics. unlock the threads. grow the fuck up. people disagreed with you, got into heated arguments. that fucking happens, man. fucking deal. but no. dahmage said cool. so he’s an ass. therefore fuck the entire subject of politics.

it just makes no sense and is extremely childish.

you couldn’t follow your own rules man. you attacked others personally and failed to admit it, to apologize. to everyone. that caused the shitstorm we’re seeing, because you’re an asshole, but an asshole with power. those are the worst types of assholes.

so congratulations jay. you didn’t nuke off-topic, but you might as well have. most regular members are gone or leaving. you managed to take away all the fun in this place. all of it. so fuck you. fuck, you.

after months and months of going after frink and some other regular members, you finally did it. you’ve ruined this place to the community that built it. you’ve banned the guy with 80k posts. you’re making decades old members leave.

so i ask you to reconsider, and write an open letter apologizing for everything and unbanning frink and politics. it’s the honorable thing for you to do. it’s actually the only honorable thing for you to do. it’d make me reconsider.

with this, i can say i am leaving the forum. i’ll finish like i started, by thanking you guys. i’ve made some really good friends, such as darthrush, ChainsawAsh (whom i almost met, damn you circumstances!) possessed, frink, dahmage, dom, warb, coffee, and duracell. i never got to tell you before duracell but you might be one of the funniest people around. you, dahmage, frink… i’m going to miss you guys.

so yeah. you’ll see it eventually, Jay. you’re being an idiot, a hypocrite, an asshole. a fucking child. the stupidiest is the one who thinks they know everything. you fit the desceiption. so fuck you, and, sadly, fuck this place. but i’m carrying with me in my heart many good moments and i’m going to be in touch with those i really like. if i don’t end up banned, know that i’m not coming back.

thanks jay. you managed to fuck everything up. please, go drive into a tree.

It’s true. All of it.

Sorry to see you’ve become a casualty of Jay’s arrogance and self-righteousness, too, Collipso. In your short time here you’ve become one of my favorite members of this site I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Talk to you soon, buddy.

In, you know, a more welcoming atmosphere than what this place has become.

I’m sorry to read this since I respect your opinion, but if you really feel this way, you can leave. Everyone who feels this way can.

You’ll forgive me if I don’t drive into a tree over all this.

chucking whole threads with decades-worth of posts over.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-deletion-of-the-political-threads/id/63465

Post
#1250911
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

snooker said:

And you’re innocent of these crimes?

Of hazing new members and treating them poorly? Yes. I only dealt with new members harshly when they were obviously trolling. If anything, I usually gave them too much leeway and the other mods would bring it to my attention asking if we should intervene.

Collipso posted on an issue right after I warned everyone that the next post would result in a ban, then when I unbanned him a few days later, he PM’d me to call me an asshole, and I let it drop. Pretty sure that’s the harshest treatment I’ve administered to a new member.

I’m not sure what “crimes” you’re referring to other than that.

Post
#1250904
Topic
open letter by Collipso
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

hello. i’m collipso. i registered less than one year ago, when my life was the shittiest its ever been and Star Wars helped me cope with everything. this place ended up helping A LOT too, so first and foremost, thank you all.

somehow though, like many mentioned, the forum has been decreasing in enjoyment constantly (for me) ever since shortly after the TLJ debates died out, which was around march or april.

i really enjoyed off-topic at first. man it was funny as heck, and the regulars here are just really nice people, all of them. at least all i can think of right now.

but… as of right now, i feel desolated. absolutely desolated. an extremely authoritarian action has been taken by the far right claims-to-be-centrist asshole Jay.

honestly Jay, when i first found out that you weren’t exactly appreciated here, i decided to defend you. our interactions had been fun and i quite liked you. i even understood it when you banned me, even though of course the “next guy who posts something gets banned” made no sense and treated us all like children.

but… you became what everyone said you were. an asshole. an idiot. a dick. you started to get in fights where you were obviously wrong but because of how arrogant you are it you completely blind to everyone else’s point of view and to everything that was ACTUALLY going on. i see you’ve brainwashed oojason for example, who claims to deal with facts while only spilling lies, your lies, only your side of the story. half truths are lies too, man.

you refuse to listen to others. you only care about what you think and yourself. you’re no leader. you’re no administrator. you’re nothing more than a man baby who thinks he’s opressed and gets it out on us. fucking pathetic. you’re fucking pathetic sometimes. most times.

and now you banned politics. banned. politics. that was incredibly childish of you. politics is something that’s at the core of every human being. everything is politics. art is political. Star Wars is political. you don’t just get to ban it. this is censorship and a dictatorship. and i won’t take it up the ass. never.

i ask you to reconsider it. unban politics. unlock the threads. grow the fuck up. people disagreed with you, got into heated arguments. that fucking happens, man. fucking deal. but no. dahmage said cool. so he’s an ass. therefore fuck the entire subject of politics.

it just makes no sense and is extremely childish.

you couldn’t follow your own rules man. you attacked others personally and failed to admit it, to apologize. to everyone. that caused the shitstorm we’re seeing, because you’re an asshole, but an asshole with power. those are the worst types of assholes.

so congratulations jay. you didn’t nuke off-topic, but you might as well have. most regular members are gone or leaving. you managed to take away all the fun in this place. all of it. so fuck you. fuck, you.

after months and months of going after frink and some other regular members, you finally did it. you’ve ruined this place to the community that built it. you’ve banned the guy with 80k posts. you’re making decades old members leave.

so i ask you to reconsider, and write an open letter apologizing for everything and unbanning frink and politics. it’s the honorable thing for you to do. it’s actually the only honorable thing for you to do. it’d make me reconsider.

with this, i can say i am leaving the forum. i’ll finish like i started, by thanking you guys. i’ve made some really good friends, such as darthrush, ChainsawAsh (whom i almost met, damn you circumstances!) possessed, frink, dahmage, dom, warb, coffee, and duracell. i never got to tell you before duracell but you might be one of the funniest people around. you, dahmage, frink… i’m going to miss you guys.

so yeah. you’ll see it eventually, Jay. you’re being an idiot, a hypocrite, an asshole. a fucking child. the stupidiest is the one who thinks they know everything. you fit the desceiption. so fuck you, and, sadly, fuck this place. but i’m carrying with me in my heart many good moments and i’m going to be in touch with those i really like. if i don’t end up banned, know that i’m not coming back.

thanks jay. you managed to fuck everything up. please, go drive into a tree.

It’s true. All of it.

Sorry to see you’ve become a casualty of Jay’s arrogance and self-righteousness, too, Collipso. In your short time here you’ve become one of my favorite members of this site I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Talk to you soon, buddy.

In, you know, a more welcoming atmosphere than what this place has become.

I’m sorry to read this since I respect your opinion, but if you really feel this way, you can leave. Everyone who feels this way can.

You’ll forgive me if I don’t drive into a tree over all this.

Post
#1250900
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

This past year has seen this forum turn to ass.

Off Topic has been ass for years.

The rest of the forum is fine.

Different strokes and all.

so then maybe leave off topic alone… just saying.

Hard to argue things weren’t more enjoyable here when off topic was unmoderated and we were allowed to have silly fun threads without fear of an admin locking them for seemingly no reason other than he can’t handle some joking criticism.

Unmoderated Off Topic was a caustic shithole that turned new members away.

You guys lived and breathed it for so long that you didn’t see it.

Right, moderated off topic is now incredibly inviting to new members.

The only “new member” who’s had difficulty recently is Collipso, and it should be obvious why.

You can point the finger at me all you want; it doesn’t erase the fact that for years you guys ran Off Topic like it was your private club and membership was based on your approval. That ended a while back and some of you have been salty ever since.

Post
#1250895
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

snooker said:

His point

Your head

Not at all.

Old Off Topic treated new members like shit and drove them away with its grade school-like hazing. It was only silly and fun if you fell in line with the humor of the in-crowd; it was miserable for you otherwise.

And a lot of that behavior spread to the rest of the forum. New members would show up and get called out for asking questions or just trying to fit in. That attitude was perpetuated by many of the members who spend most of their time in this section and who label themselves as oppressed today.

The General Guidelines were written specifically to deal with that behavior.

Most of those leaving today—voluntarily or otherwise—contributed to that environment.

Any memory of Off Topic in the last 8 or so years as a warm, fun, silly place is rose-tinted and not reflective of reality, and anyone leaving today because “this place sucks now” is merely getting a dose of what they fed to other members for so many years.

Post
#1250861
Topic
If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
Time

DominicCobb said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

This past year has seen this forum turn to ass.

Off Topic has been ass for years.

The rest of the forum is fine.

Different strokes and all.

so then maybe leave off topic alone… just saying.

Hard to argue things weren’t more enjoyable here when off topic was unmoderated and we were allowed to have silly fun threads without fear of an admin locking them for seemingly no reason other than he can’t handle some joking criticism.

Unmoderated Off Topic was a caustic shithole that turned new members away.

You guys lived and breathed it for so long that you didn’t see it.

Post
#1250850
Topic
Discord
Time

dahmage said:

some guy created one and posted about it only a week or two ago, but i can’t seem to find it. probably deleted

Some guy being a new member with a single post using our logo, which made it look official. Sounds legit.

I have a server set up, but haven’t posted the invite link yet because I tend to think it’s just going to be a real-time Off Topic section.

Post
#1250783
Topic
Random Thoughts
Time

Possessed said:

dahmage said:

snooker said:

I miss Frink.

yeah. there are some really stupid decisions being made.

Be careful, disagreeing seems to get you banned and topics locked these days.

No, being a snide troll and a constant pain in the ass does.

https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1250734/action/topic#1250734

The political threads haven’t been permanently deleted and I haven’t decided what to do with them yet, but I guess it’s best to throw a tantrum and post a bunch of conspiracy-laden garbage about an admin trying to cover up his mistakes, then follow it up by going after oojason in his Sport thread because you’re still seething over your previous ban.

A member can make my job more difficult only for so long before it becomes easier to ban them and shutter threads than continue to deal with the nonsense.

Post
#1250734
Topic
The deletion of the political threads.
Time

I haven’t decided whether I’ll restore them or not. The primary reason I moved them is to prevent new visitors from viewing them and search engines from indexing them (they already have, but once they show up as 404 for search spiders, they should get dropped from the index and no longer actively link to them).

I might restore them under a members-only section of the forum, so at least those who are logged in can still read them.

Post
#1250720
Topic
The OT.com Debate Club. No debates!
Time

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Possessed said:

If you don’t like someone’s debating style, then forbid everyone from even debating that topic.

Best. Debate. Rule. EVER.

Second best. Best rule is if you don’t like someone’s debating style, you both forbid everyone from debating the topic AND nuke the topic from orbit so everyone instantly forgets there ever was a topic in the first place.

You had no debate style.

Post
#1249253
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

According to your own forum’s rules, since he isn’t engaging in any personal attacks or insults, it’s actually up to Duracell to decide whether those kinds of posts are welcome in his thread.

The rules say we’ll defer to the OP, not that we’ll step aside and never make judgment calls.

I’ve repeatedly warned people (mostly Frink) about single-word snark responses in this and other threads. Do I need to officially codify “use your brain” into the forum rules?

Besides, this thread is merely a continuation of a previously locked thread and frankly only remains open because giving everyone a place to dump their political nonsense is the lesser of two evils when compared to politics spilling over into other threads.

I’ve had requests to lock it again and I’m giving those requests (as well as requests to ban political discussion entirely) serious consideration, but I question how manageable that is over the long term.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

cool

Not smart.

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

There was no point to argue in his post. The entire point was to act like an ass.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

Egging him on? Had nothing to do with him. It was about the way you hammer us for things that you do yourself all the time. But of course the last time you completely misrepresented what I was saying, I ended up banned for a month. So I’m done.

Do you promise this time?

Every time you come back, your fan club gets riled up and this thread becomes trash. The invitation to leave is a standing one.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

According to your own forum’s rules, since he isn’t engaging in any personal attacks or insults, it’s actually up to Duracell to decide whether those kinds of posts are welcome in his thread.

Rules are for other people.

dahmage tried his best Frink imitation and I called him out on it, at which point you predictably fell back on “the rules” to try and churn up this old argument that I give you guys zero leeway while I’m prancing around the forum flouting the rules and throwing it in your face. It’s as tired as it was the last time you used this excuse to complain about how oppressed you are.

You’ve been warned repeatedly. Last warning for all involved: post a meaningful response or get out.

Next step is this thread is locked permanently and we try a zero-tolerance policy toward political discussion.

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#1249151
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

cool

Not smart.

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

There was no point to argue in his post. The entire point was to act like an ass.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

Post
#1249059
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

Post
#1249050
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

Post
#1249003
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

I mean either way, it’s no wonder we can’t win shit in elections. We eat our own over things like this.

You’ve summed up the entirety of the modern left and its identity politics platform in two sentences.

Democrats would have to run an as-yet-unnamed rock star in 2020 for me to give them my vote. Hillary was the last pity vote they’re getting from me. They need another beating at the ballot box and some more soul-searching.

I know that this is all just more of the same gibberish, but seriously, what does that even mean? The entirety of the modern left is not identity politics. I don’t understand why you’re trying to push this narrative that it is, but you’re not fooling anybody.

To elaborate, Bernie Sanders was inarguably the biggest leftist figure in 2016 and his platform was not identity politics. It revolved around income inequality and the monopoly on power that “the 1%” has, and he’s now the most popular politician in America because of that platform. How is the “entirety” of the modern left just identity politics?

Eating their own is the hallmark of the left. If you don’t pass the purity test and aren’t woke enough, you’re out, and a huge part of that is identifying with the right victims.

Pitting the population against rich people is just another us vs. them mentality and a natural extension of identity politics. No doubt that there are wealthy people who use their riches to assert their power and we should enact laws that prevent money from infecting our politics (like reforming campaign finance laws and striking down Citizens United), but demonizing everyone with money isn’t going to solve the problem.

I was a Bernie supporter and his message definitely made waves, but calling him the most popular politician in America today doesn’t fly. Recent polls for Democrat candidates in 2020 put him well below Joe Biden. Bernie had his moment in the sun and perhaps he can pull it off again, but I think he’s going to have a tough time against Harris and Booker.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

I mean either way, it’s no wonder we can’t win shit in elections. We eat our own over things like this.

You’ve summed up the entirety of the modern left and its identity politics platform in two sentences.

Democrats would have to run an as-yet-unnamed rock star in 2020 for me to give them my vote. Hillary was the last pity vote they’re getting from me. They need another beating at the ballot box and some more soul-searching.

I know that this is all just more of the same gibberish

My thoughts exactly. I don’t think it’s worth responding to anymore.

You’re right, it’s not.

Enjoy your continued losses. You’ll be asking “why?” again in 2020 and will no doubt be blaming it on racism or sexism or whatever other “-ism” helps you explain it away.