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#1249253
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

According to your own forum’s rules, since he isn’t engaging in any personal attacks or insults, it’s actually up to Duracell to decide whether those kinds of posts are welcome in his thread.

The rules say we’ll defer to the OP, not that we’ll step aside and never make judgment calls.

I’ve repeatedly warned people (mostly Frink) about single-word snark responses in this and other threads. Do I need to officially codify “use your brain” into the forum rules?

Besides, this thread is merely a continuation of a previously locked thread and frankly only remains open because giving everyone a place to dump their political nonsense is the lesser of two evils when compared to politics spilling over into other threads.

I’ve had requests to lock it again and I’m giving those requests (as well as requests to ban political discussion entirely) serious consideration, but I question how manageable that is over the long term.

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

cool

Not smart.

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

There was no point to argue in his post. The entire point was to act like an ass.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

Egging him on? Had nothing to do with him. It was about the way you hammer us for things that you do yourself all the time. But of course the last time you completely misrepresented what I was saying, I ended up banned for a month. So I’m done.

Do you promise this time?

Every time you come back, your fan club gets riled up and this thread becomes trash. The invitation to leave is a standing one.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

According to your own forum’s rules, since he isn’t engaging in any personal attacks or insults, it’s actually up to Duracell to decide whether those kinds of posts are welcome in his thread.

Rules are for other people.

dahmage tried his best Frink imitation and I called him out on it, at which point you predictably fell back on “the rules” to try and churn up this old argument that I give you guys zero leeway while I’m prancing around the forum flouting the rules and throwing it in your face. It’s as tired as it was the last time you used this excuse to complain about how oppressed you are.

You’ve been warned repeatedly. Last warning for all involved: post a meaningful response or get out.

Next step is this thread is locked permanently and we try a zero-tolerance policy toward political discussion.

Post
#1249151
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

cool

Not smart.

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

There was no point to argue in his post. The entire point was to act like an ass.

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

No, you were an ass.

Jay said:

  1. Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style (logical fallacies) are acceptable.

just saying.

its fine

Is it though?

Nope, so I’d recommend dahmage engage in the discussion or leave, and for you to stop egging him on.

Post
#1249059
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

your post above it seemed just about as meaningless and dismissive imho. i was just more to the point.

No, you were an ass.

Post
#1249050
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

dahmage said:

Cool

Contribute meaningfully or don’t post at all.

It was a meaningful response. What was he supposed to say?

“Cool” is a meaningful response? It was dismissive and lacked any substance.

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Cool

It’s ok dahamage, he’s right, I’m going to go back to my bosses at the DNC to let them know.

I’d say they couldn’t do any worse, but I suppose anything is possible.

It sounds to me like the could do a lot worse. They could actually do all of the things that your favorite rightwing Youtube channels have told you that they’re doing.

Whatever man. I’m glad your inability to see what’s going on lends you some comfort. Stay angry, though. Seems to be a winning strategy for the left so far.

Handman said:

I’d say Bernie was as popular as he was precisely because he wasn’t your typical Democrat.

Anyone read this?

NPR – With Voters Sour On Major Parties, Group Recruits ‘None Of The Above’ Candidates

The effort comes at a time when voters are dissatisfied with both major political parties. Nearly 70 percent of voters say Republicans and Democrats fail to adequately represent the American people, according to a recent survey from the nonpartisan Democracy Fund.
Politics

A Colorado-based group called Unite America is trying to use that dissatisfaction to elect more independent candidates to office nationwide. They have endorsed 29 unaffiliated candidates running for all levels of office from across the country.

Among the statewide candidates with the group’s support are Gov. Bill Walker of Alaska, the country’s only unaffiliated governor, and Greg Orman, who’s running for governor in Kansas.

In Colorado, they’ve helped five state legislative candidates qualify for the ballot, campaign, and get their names out with promotional videos.

When the time comes, vote them out.

Yes. No more party-line votes. No more pity votes. Kick out all these partisans and get some sensible people in there who won’t cater to the worst at the extremes.

Every time someone tells you that not voting Democrat is effectively voting for a Republican, let them know that they’re the problem, not you. Repeated emotional votes in favor of blind nationalism on the right and divisive identity bullshit on the left has put us on the road to mediocrity. Maybe the tens of millions who skip voting might be inspired to take part if their best option wasn’t always the slightly better one between two trash choices.

Post
#1249003
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

I mean either way, it’s no wonder we can’t win shit in elections. We eat our own over things like this.

You’ve summed up the entirety of the modern left and its identity politics platform in two sentences.

Democrats would have to run an as-yet-unnamed rock star in 2020 for me to give them my vote. Hillary was the last pity vote they’re getting from me. They need another beating at the ballot box and some more soul-searching.

I know that this is all just more of the same gibberish, but seriously, what does that even mean? The entirety of the modern left is not identity politics. I don’t understand why you’re trying to push this narrative that it is, but you’re not fooling anybody.

To elaborate, Bernie Sanders was inarguably the biggest leftist figure in 2016 and his platform was not identity politics. It revolved around income inequality and the monopoly on power that “the 1%” has, and he’s now the most popular politician in America because of that platform. How is the “entirety” of the modern left just identity politics?

Eating their own is the hallmark of the left. If you don’t pass the purity test and aren’t woke enough, you’re out, and a huge part of that is identifying with the right victims.

Pitting the population against rich people is just another us vs. them mentality and a natural extension of identity politics. No doubt that there are wealthy people who use their riches to assert their power and we should enact laws that prevent money from infecting our politics (like reforming campaign finance laws and striking down Citizens United), but demonizing everyone with money isn’t going to solve the problem.

I was a Bernie supporter and his message definitely made waves, but calling him the most popular politician in America today doesn’t fly. Recent polls for Democrat candidates in 2020 put him well below Joe Biden. Bernie had his moment in the sun and perhaps he can pull it off again, but I think he’s going to have a tough time against Harris and Booker.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

I mean either way, it’s no wonder we can’t win shit in elections. We eat our own over things like this.

You’ve summed up the entirety of the modern left and its identity politics platform in two sentences.

Democrats would have to run an as-yet-unnamed rock star in 2020 for me to give them my vote. Hillary was the last pity vote they’re getting from me. They need another beating at the ballot box and some more soul-searching.

I know that this is all just more of the same gibberish

My thoughts exactly. I don’t think it’s worth responding to anymore.

You’re right, it’s not.

Enjoy your continued losses. You’ll be asking “why?” again in 2020 and will no doubt be blaming it on racism or sexism or whatever other “-ism” helps you explain it away.

Post
#1248975
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

I mean either way, it’s no wonder we can’t win shit in elections. We eat our own over things like this.

You’ve summed up the entirety of the modern left and its identity politics platform in two sentences.

Democrats would have to run an as-yet-unnamed rock star in 2020 for me to give them my vote. Hillary was the last pity vote they’re getting from me. They need another beating at the ballot box and some more soul-searching.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/10/15/warren-addresses-native-american-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

But the generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she’s between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American.

[Trump] also offered to provide $1 million to her charity of choice if she takes the test.

Trump should call her bluff and donate $15,625 to her favorite charity and tell her he’s giving her the benefit of the doubt at 1/64th if he really wants to humiliate her.

Post
#1248261
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
Time

screams in the void said:

nah , that’s confirmation bias . we could play this game all day , but as the owner of the site , you have the upper hand

How is it confirmation bias? The guy who got fired because his employer felt his shenanigans weren’t worth the hassle was totally fine with the same thing happening to someone else because their beliefs are different.

I’ll just pretend you never said the second part because it’s become a regular observation without any merit. Despite some contentious debates, nobody on this forum has ever received unfair treatment because I had a disagreement with them. I think this discussion has been pretty civil so far, so I’m not sure why that would come up again.

Post
#1248255
Topic
Video Game Thread
Time

Possessed said:

If you enjoy the nes ones there is something wrong with you. The snes one is moderately kick ass though.

My favorite is Bloodlines on Genesis. Great combination of controls, graphics, and music.

Edit: I forgot about Dracula X on PC Engine CD. Probably the best all-around, but Bloodlines is still really good.

The SNES version is ugly (which is shocking) and less enjoyable than the NES games in my opinion.

Post
#1248249
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
Time

screams in the void said:

and I know they dont “silence” anyone , as there are other platforms out there for them to speak , I was more referring to the likes of Alex Jones etc who have claimed they are being silenced or “shadow banned” whatever the fuck that means. so it IS a 2 way street

Alex Jones is a different situation. He had no direct association with the companies that banned him from their platforms (Apple, YouTube, Facebook, and Spotify, all on the same day). He was censored, not fired. Wendig’s situation is in no way comparable.

If Wendig finds himself unable to communicate on those platforms in the future, then it’ll be the same situation and I’ll back him 100%. You shouldn’t be banned from a social media platform for having ideas that some consider offensive.

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay, I’m surprised you support this firing, considering what you’ve said in the past.

I don’t. People shouldn’t be fired over their politics or things they say on social media.

I see. Just wondered because your post seemed to suggest an implicit agreement with the justification for the firing.

As for the firing potentially being because of the diminishing returns of his work, I’d be surprised if that was the case, as the series he was taken off of was announced pretty recently (maybe even within this past week), so the other reasons are more likely true.

Also, I’m pretty sure hiring/firing is the domain of the publisher not LFL, though I’m sure they have some sway.

Maybe I’m confused, but I was under the impression that Wendig has been writing comics at Marvel for a while.

From what I understand, he’s primarily a novel writer who’s done a few jobs for Marvel (the TFA adaptation, probably a couple other things I’m unaware of), but he’s not like a staff writer or anything. The series he got fired off of was a miniseries to be written entirely by him that was just announced last week. Point being I don’t think they would have put him on a new miniseries only to yank him off immediately after if his work itself was a problem. They just wouldn’t have put him on at all.

Agreed. It’s more likely the cause of his problems is his writing on social media rather than his paid gigs.

Post
#1248245
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

There is a lot more that makes him different from the average politician.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Jay said:
It’s only Trump’s delivery that makes him different.

Really?!

Within the scope of how he uses rhetoric to get what he wants, yes. There are things outside his rhetoric that make him different, but within the context of lying for political gain, I don’t see how he’s all that different from what’s come before besides his chosen delivery.

He’s described in private conversations as exceedingly polite, even meek. Doesn’t fit at all with the portrayal of him being a monster and implies his public persona is what he feels it needs to be to accomplish his goals.

Warbler said:

Jay said:

Warbler said:

Jay said:

After reading Trump’s op-ed and the rebuttal, I don’t see how his lies are worse than any other politician’s. Seems to me that people base the lies they’ll accept on their opinion of the liar. If they like the liar and agree with their overall position, they’ll gladly accept the lie.

Perhaps, but Trump does lie, a lot.

Absolutely he does. It’s second nature to him. I think he places more value on results than honesty.

That’s really just another way of saying that he lies for what he perceives to be the greater good, which is why many politicians lie.

The problem is, what a politician might perceive to be the greater good, isn’t necessarily the greater good. Also I am not sure Trump cares for the greater good as much as cares about himself and $$$.

Agreed.

Post
#1248207
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Jay said:

After reading Trump’s op-ed and the rebuttal, I don’t see how his lies are worse than any other politician’s. Seems to me that people base the lies they’ll accept on their opinion of the liar. If they like the liar and agree with their overall position, they’ll gladly accept the lie.

Perhaps, but Trump does lie, a lot.

Absolutely he does. It’s second nature to him. I think he places more value on results than honesty.

That’s really just another way of saying that he lies for what he perceives to be the greater good, which is why many politicians lie. They have what they think is a worthy goal and they stretch the truth (or tell outright lies) in order to achieve that goal. It’s only Trump’s delivery that makes him different.

Post
#1248204
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
Time

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay, I’m surprised you support this firing, considering what you’ve said in the past.

I don’t. People shouldn’t be fired over their politics or things they say on social media.

I see. Just wondered because your post seemed to suggest an implicit agreement with the justification for the firing.

As for the firing potentially being because of the diminishing returns of his work, I’d be surprised if that was the case, as the series he was taken off of was announced pretty recently (maybe even within this past week), so the other reasons are more likely true.

Also, I’m pretty sure hiring/firing is the domain of the publisher not LFL, though I’m sure they have some sway.

Maybe I’m confused, but I was under the impression that Wendig has been writing comics at Marvel for a while.

I don’t think he should’ve been fired for his opinions, but if his employer is under the impression that his social media antics have cost or will cost them sales, then I don’t blame them for making a business decision. You take that risk when you know you represent your employer in all your actions and decide to say something polarizing in a public forum. If Wendig had said something off the cuff during an interview, no big deal, but he’s very active on Twitter and really good at riling people up.

SilverWook said:

A comic book writer is probably more obscure to the general public than most film directors. Who really cares about his political views? He’s not putting them into the comics? I’m sure Stan Lee probably has opinions I might not agree with, but I probably wouldn’t have known or cared when I was a kid.
And apparently being a comic fan sucks now from all this toxic online B.S., too. 😕

You’re getting one side of the story from sites like Gizmodo. Most of these article writers know little, if anything, about the communities and industries they cover and tend to adopt whatever position aligns with their personal politics.

Like it or not, if you blast half your fans on social media (which is what you’re doing when you go hard left or hard right and insult those whose opinions differ from yours), they tend to get upset, which makes you a liability to your employer.

Post
#1248192
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
Time

screams in the void said:

I am waiting to hear a statement from Marvel or Disney on this , but I have seen a lot of vitriol thrown this guys way …and frankly , I think the current Marvel Star Wars comics suck monkey balls , I loved The Last Jedi , but their adaptation of it looks like a fucking 3 year old drew it .They are also driving the character of Vader into the ground . If you want to talk about over exposure , that is the worst offender I have seen . The original Marvel Star Wars had more heart and imagination than the current line up will ever have,talking green rabbit and all , and they knew to keep Vader as a lurking threat in the background so that when he did show up , it had more gravitas . It also goes to show that companies silencing voices is not just directed at conservatives , it happens on both sides of the fence …https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-writer-chuck-wendig-claims-marvel-fired-him-f-1829718822

Companies don’t “silence voices” of employees. They fire people who blab a lot on Twitter about their politics while using their exposure and status to take shots at those who don’t agree with them. Wendig is still free to use his fame to promote his politics; he just can’t do it from the lofty position Marvel and Disney offered.

Wendig has been acting like an ass for a long time and now he’s playing the victim because it finally caught up with him. If he’d stuck to writing and used his popularity to promote his product rather than his political views, he’d still have a job. At some point, being obnoxious on social media makes you a liability to your employer.

Of course, my assumption is that it’s his mouth that got him in trouble. It could be that his comics suck and Comicsgate makes a convenient scapegoat when nobody is buying your product.

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#1248171
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

Shopping Maul said:

On the flipside Conan the Barbarian '82 was often written off as garbage in the media, and my schoolmates all thought it was boring and much preferred knock-offs like ‘The Beastmaster’. However over time CTB has been hailed as a giant in the genre, so I do see how this can happen.

Hey now, don’t go knocking Beastmaster. That’s a Sunday-afternoon-TV favorite from my childhood 😉

Post
#1248164
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

flametitan said:

WTF USA Today?

I mean, I guess they just wanted the ad revenue from having both the op-ed and the rebuttal. Or the Op-Ed process is looser than I thought. Still doesn’t sit right to have a sitting president write an op-ed to slam his political opponents.

The fact check was posted almost a day and a half after the op-ed. Perfectly reasonable that FactCheck.org read the piece and asked to rebut (it was plenty of time for 3 people to write the rebuttal) rather than it being a coordinated release. Either way, I don’t see why it’s a problem. Presidential op-eds are nothing new.

TV’s Frink said:

If you have to post a fact check rebuttal that is way longer than the “opinion” piece, maybe don’t run the opinion piece in the first place.

Rebuttals are usually longer than the original piece because they often address one-off statements made in the original piece with lengthy responses.

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I don’t see the objection to USAT including both. Running the president’s claims is simply reporting what an important, powerful figure is doing.

No, that’s giving him another platform he doesn’t need to spew his lies. That’s different that reporting on what he’s doing.

After reading Trump’s op-ed and the rebuttal, I don’t see how his lies are worse than any other politician’s. Seems to me that people base the lies they’ll accept on their opinion of the liar. If they like the liar and agree with their overall position, they’ll gladly accept the lie.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

After reading Trump’s claims, I’m even more amazed anyone would vote for him. It should be totally laughable to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

Have you read this thread?

Is there anyone here who voted for or plans to vote for Trump? I wouldn’t blame them for keeping quiet given the vitriol they’d receive, but I don’t think one person has said they did or would.

What opinions expressed in this thread make you think that the authors are Trump supporters? So far, it appears that any idea that isn’t explicitly left-leaning qualifies one for the far-right label.