JasonN

TV's Frink said:

There is a deleted scene in EP 2 between Mace and Obi Wan where Obi Wan talks of Anakin's "connection" to Padme and how he is distracted by her.  Yes, it wasn't in the movie proper, but the fact that Lucas filmed a scene like that indicates that he was at least thinking about it a little.  Perhaps he cut it for that reason.  At any rate, several faneditors have used that scene to replace the similar one between Mace, Obi, and Yoda, and using the deleted scene does make the Jedi seem a little more to blame.

That depends more on how the faneditor has re-edited the film with the deleted scene and on how Anakin is portrayed throughout EP2. If the editor has changed the story so that Jedi are allowed to love and marry, then that scene would serve more to establish that there is a connection between Anakin/Padme and that the Jedi are confident that Anakin will complete his mission despite such a distraction.

Personally, I think Lucas only used the theatrical "Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Mace" scene because he wanted to re-remind viewers of that stupid "Chosen One" prophecy from the last film... plus he really wanted to show Yoda riding around on a floating toilet. :P

Darth Venal said:

TheBoost:

It's not technobabble becase knowledge or non-knowledge of the midichlorians has no bearing on the plot or character actions. Anakin never breaks into a lab and takes a syringe full of midichlorians to become more badass, and R2 never reverse the polarity of the midichlorians in order to save the day.

...and it readily becomes apparent that it's not biology or science [but] only serves a plot point so they could do a "force-test" on Anakin's blood.

 

Boost, I think Rocco is right, you gave a great description of precisely what technobabble is, not the opposite. And I think The Phantom Menace states pretty darn emphatically that Anakin's midichlorian count is the highest they've ever seen, precisely the reason he doesn't need to break into a lab and give himself more.

And considering that they take a blood sample from Anakin, which is then analysed for midichlorian levels in the cells, and I think you also proved that it is biology or science (whatever that means).

In either case, midiclorians serve absolutely no purpose to the plot and can easily be removed from all three films without it affecting the story at all.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Another video...this time testing out a totally different ending for ROTJ.

Where'd you get the C-3PO dialogue, about "completing his mission" and "giving R2 the credit"?
(that's something I might want to use in my RotJ fanedit as well)

Bingowings said:

Luke is strong with the Force because (according to Lucas) the Force runs strong in his family.

If you've seen my Prequel edits, you'll already have a good idea of what I think of Lucas's "official" SW canon.... ;) 

rcb said:

i'm srry for commenting but this thing is an abomination to the OT and ROTJ.

Ah, Star Wars purist bullcrap... how I've missed it.
-_-

rcb said:

this isn't the best fan edit i've seen.

How you could have seen it if I haven't released it?

rcb said:

Luke and Leia are bro and sis. end of story.

Oh, such logical and detailed arguments that you make....

rcb said:

btw, rise of the dark knight, crappy title and it sounds like a title for a batman movie.

You mean, The Black Knight Rises???
If you're gonna call the title of one of my fanedits crappy, could you at least get the damn thing right?

Yes... I'm still working on this one.

;)

TV's Frink said:

Something else about the 4-5-1-2-3-6 order appeals to me that I just thought about.  I find JasonN's prequel fanedits to be the best that I have seen to this point.  But one thing that bugs me is that he cut out Leia's birth in EP 3.  Now, it doesn't bother me that he did this if I watch EP 3 in isolation.  But If I were to watch in order 1-2-3-4-5-6, it presents a problem when we get to 6. 

Just so that people are aware of it, I am still working on a fanedit of RotJ where Leia is no longer Luke's sister, so that issue of my EP3 edit will be resolved with my EP6 edit.

Cool idea and I'd be interested in seeing this as well.

I was actually considering doing a similar thing with the series Naruto Shippuden (except it would be a set of films that focused on Naruto's fight against Akasuki and reduced the Sasuke's importance in the story)

I'm sorry, but that "lightsaber build" video is just so god-awful in concept and execution, I can't stand it.

Sorry to see that certain people have been giving you crap over this edit, ChainsawAsh.
(both I and my planned fanedit of Watchmen, "Two Minutes Till Doomsday", have also been getting some hatred from the 'Watchmen fans' over at the FE forums)

For Under the Hood, I really don't think that adding portions of the 'documentary' would improve the main film - stylistically, I think they're too different and if anything, the UtH segments would slow the film pacing down (which is already kind of a problem with the film anyway).

I'm sorry, but people like this.... SERIOUSLY PISS ME OFF when they have absolutely no regard for the quality of their work and how people regard it, nor the respect of other people's work which they proceed to trash, degrade, and crap all over in order to make themselves look important.

fishmanlee, do yourself and everyone here a favor and get the hell off these boards.

EDIT: On second thought...  go find the AE files yourself.
-_-

fishmanlee said:

can i have the after effects template you used? i need it for one of my edits

Which one?

I've used quite a few for these fanedits.

Erikstormtrooper said:

I'd love to see a torrent of the DVD versions.

If there's going to be a torrent of the DVD versions, I won't be able to make them since my upload speeds are terribly slow - if someone else wants to make them, that would be superb.

So yeah, I'm still working on this one - I'll try to finish it, but it's getting a bit hard, because I'm kinda losing my interest: basically, for as much as I try to edit and cut Return of the Jedi, I still just really don't care for the story or characters very much (which makes things difficult when you're trying to re-edit the film).

I guess for myself, I've always felt that the "Star Wars" story ends best with the final shots of The Empire Strikes Back, with Luke, Leia, the droids, and Rebel Alliance drifting out into the stars.

You know, I'm always suprise that for as much criticism, anger, and utter hate that TPM recieved from audiences, those same people will give RotJ a free pass just because it's part of the "Original Trilogy" even though it's as equally flawed as TPM. (actually, I think it has even more flaws.... I mean, I am extremely satisfied with and do enjoy watching my Attack of the Federation edit, but I'm having a rather hard time trying to watch Last of the Jedi and care much for it)

Janskeet said:

I say, why bother with the prequels? They are beyond repair. All the skills in the world can't make them work. You can't polish a turd.

Yes... it can be done.

ChainsawAsh said:

Goddammit, I hate this idea.  The great thing about the Force in Star Wars was that it felt like anyone could be a Jedi if they had the right amount of dedication, while some people were just "gifted" and already had a great deal of sensitivity to the Force without any training (like Anakin should have, going by Obi-Wan's comments in Star Wars).  The idea that your parents had to be "Force-sensitive" for you to have any chance at being a Jedi ... ugh, it just makes me think of midi-chlorians all over again.

Which is the exact same way I feel about this issue.
(and why I have no problem cutting Leia as the sister in my RotJ edit)

Just so everyone knows, there are now DVD-5 versions of all three edits at fanedit.info

(thanks goes to AvP for making and uploading them).

The major change I'd like to see in the ROTJ script?

Reveal that Vader's "I am your father" line from ESB was an outright lie intended to warp/twist Luke's mind to make him easier for Dark Side conversion:
- Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were indeed separate people
- Vader (not Anakin) was Obi-Wan's only pupil
- Vader did in fact kill Anakin Skywalker

ChainsawAsh said:

1) Does anyone actually care about the new show anyway?  I was under the impression it was worse than the prequels.

From the few episodes that I've seen (apart from that god-f**king-awful "Clone Wars" movie....), the series is pretty decent and several of the episodes that focus off of the main characters (the Clonetroopers, Anakin's appretice teamed with that female Jedi, Kit Fisto hunting Grevious) are very good. I think the two biggest problem that the series is that:

1. By it's nature, it has to maintain the terrible plotpoints that were introduced in EP2 (Anakin/Padme secret marriage, etc) and many of the Jedi characters that we meet in the show is ultimately meaningless since they will all die before/during EP3.

2. This show still doesn't hold a flippin candle to the excellence of Genndy Tartakovsky's "Clone Wars" miniseries.

Bingowings said:

In a universe where Luke and Leia aren't twins it opens up the possibility that the other is Anakin himself.

Which sort of lets Ben and Yoda seem less like patricide keen gits.

They intuitively know that Anakin might turn back at the last minute, if Luke can keep from turning but can't interfere in the process for reasons best known to Jedi.

Huh... I really like that interpretation as well.

JediMasterFisher said:

Luke loves Leia and is not physically attracted to her. Same with Leia. They both realize why this is because they are twins. 

Han loves Leia and Leia loves Han and both are attacted to eachother. They get married and have kids.

Sigh, more EU bullsh*t...

doubleofive said:

fishmanlee said:

in ROTJ can the FB be upped in epicness like this?

I don't know how to tell you this, but repeating and flipping shots from random points in the battle and cutting it down to less than 2 minutes does not make it epic.  It makes it whatever the opposite of epic is.

Agreed -  that cut was just plain terrible. Sorry if that's harsh, but that's how I see it.

And I really DON'T want to hear PT music in the OT - it's one of the few things I didn't about Adywan's "SW: Revisted" (ie, the music of the Obiwan/Vader duel of the non-Purist edit)

Bingowings said:

The Jedi order possibly returns (though we see no on screen evidence) and does achieve revenge, though it may be argued it doesn't seek it.

The Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker both returns (from being lost in the Darth Vader personna) and achieves a revenge he actively sort.

Ok, the "Jedi" part I can maybe-kinda understand (though I still think revenge is outside of their ideals), but for the Anakin part, I must ask "He's getting revenge for what reason?"

All that we ever learn in the OT is that he was once a good man who was seduced by the Dark Side and turned on the Jedi Knights - there is no mention of him ever being seduced, manipulated, or tricked into the Dark Side by the Emperor personally or that he ever felt anger/remorse/sadness over his betray of the Jedi until he saw his son being attacked by the Emperor.

Bingowings said:

And none of these deductions require even looking at the prequel trilogy (though looking at them would make the Jedi Order seem more likely to be one to seek revenge than George Lucas would protest). They certainly do not hinge on the six part saga being pre-planned as delivered.

Yet you're specifically referencing the PT as a possible explanation to Vader's actions in ROTJ as a reason for him seeking revenge:

Bingowings said:

Anakln certainly has revenge on the man who tricked him into betraying and murdering his friends on the promise of saving his wife that his new powers drove him to destroy.

The Jedi as an order were reduced from thousands to just two and you might argue that they didn't seek revenge only the restoration of galactic freedom they certainly got it anyway....

.... Anakin kills Vader and Palpatine and he was planning to kill Palpatine for decades.

Bingowings said:

TheBoost said:

But Luke doesn't try to get Revenge. He goes in with the plan of redeeming his father. That Palpy dies is an after effect of that goal.

You are assuming that the Jedi in the title is Luke, what if it's Anakin or the order in general?

Anakln certainly has revenge on the man who tricked him into betraying and murdering his friends on the promise of saving his wife that his new powers drove him to destroy.

The Jedi as an order were reduced from thousands to just two and you might argue that they didn't seek revenge only the restoration of galactic freedom they certainly got it anyway.

That assumption only works if you believe that Lucas did indeed have this "6-Episode storyline" fully planned out and structured when he wrote the final draft of ROTJ... which (as it's been proven time and time again) is pure and utter bulls**t.