Janskeet

So do you have multiple usernames Adywan? What was the point of that change, let me guess, in the shot prior to the Star Destroyers, you can't see them at all, but in the next shot you can? In that case, I think I can live with that change.

Adywan, I noticed in your episode IV revisited, the scene where we see the millenium falcon leaving tatoonie, you changed the cordination of the Star Destroyers when we see two of them heading towards the millenium falcon. I'm not crazy about that change. I liked the formation of the Star Destroyers in the original shot better, they fit the music better.

Yeah, most of us don't have laserdisks and LFL shouldn't exxpect us to get our OOT from that format only and not DVD. Lucas even said he was looking forward to the time when all the OOT VHS tapes have deteriorated, I think he forgot about laserdisks. Idiot.

I never really thought the whole Jabba the Hut sequence through, but I thought it was meant to be ambigious. The movie didn't spell out the whole strategy because it wanted the audience to interpret it themselves. I don't think Luke had respect for Jabba's right, he was going to do whatever necessary to get everything he wanted from him even if he had to kill everybody. That's one thing that I like about the perception they gave the jedi in the OT. They were tough protectors fighting for peace and wouldn't take no bullshit even if they ended up being a little uncivilized. In the PT they were a bunch of niave whimps.

Deathcrow said:

One more important thing that hasn't been mentioned yet: The structure should have been very different. The first movie should have gone right into the life of Anakin and not show us a stupid little anakin-child all of the time. No one cares about HIM. What the audience wanted to see is the Hero that was described by Obi Wan in the OT and how he would turn into Darth Vader.

With almost the complete first movie missing I would have had much more time to develop the relationship between obi wan and anakin, to give the audience some characters to genuinly care for and a republic at stake, which Anakin fights for because he believes in something... not just because of a girl or because someone tells him to.

Obviously this would have made turning him to the darkside much more difficult for Palpatine which would have in turn required really great story telling to pull it of. The PT was a cop-out by making it the direct path for anakin. It would have been more surprising to have him refute the power of the dark side.

Of course there are many many more things i would have done differently, especially the ones that were already mentioned by some people. For example i strongly agree with these two postings.

Yeah, I said awhile ago on a different thread that I wish Lucas would've done Anakin's life story Batman Begins style, quick cuts of significant moments in Anakin's life as a child and then jump back to most of the movie focusing on his life as a young adult. We didn't need to see a whole movie of Anakin as a 9 year old saying lines like "Are you an angel?" "Yippeeee" and "ooops".

I'm gonna have to get savvy with this adobe photoshop and start doing some editing of my own. I don't think I will ever be as good as Adywan, but, just to play around with it and make some funny videos for youtube would be fun.

Are you guys talking about the "imperial cargo" shuttle that the rebel allaince hijaks and Han, Liea and, Luke use to get to Endore in ROTJ? I was confused that they reused the shuttle Darth Vader arrives in at the beginning of the film, I thought that shuttle was like a personal shuttle used only for superiors, but then we are told it is just a cargo shuttle. I was like huh? Darth Vader flew in just a cargo shuttle. That's not like him.

Adywan, so you found ROTJ disappointing? How so? I thought it was just as good as the previous two, though I would rank it as the least in the trilogy.

Adywan, you said you wanted to make these edits fit more in continuity of the prequels, wouldn't restoring Boba Fett's original voice contradict that statement? Because Boba's voice in the SE is closer to what it was in the prequels. Frankly, I think it was a really stupid idea to have "baby" Boba included in the prequels. The only reason why LFL did it is because he became a popular character. They had no intention expanding his character prior to his popularity. Just do what you want Adywan, do let the prequels dictate you.

You must be in your early forties if you saw ESB in theaters at 13. Do you have a wife and kids? It must be difficult juggling your job, kids, life and these restoration projects. Unless you have a job in the video software industry, you have to be a die hard SW nerd to be this dedicated to the movies. I think I read earlier you wore a Darth Vader costume to a party and at over 40 years old I think that answers my question. But not trying to sound rude here, keep up the good work. ;-)

Is there any versions of the Holiday Special availible for download?

So Adywan, are the OT versions just the '04 SEs or are they your revisited versions. Either way it looks like you still did the color modifications that fit the OOT better. How can these be HD without blu-ray? I thoght SD format is not capable of HD, you gotta get blu-ray to do that, or HD DVD, but that is obsolete now.

The color changes were odd, most of the scenes seem to have a slight turquoise/teal tone added to them. The Hoth scenes have a heavy blue tone added to them. Now, I wouldn't mind the blue tone if it was subtle, but they added too heavy of a blue tone to it. Lucasfilm doesn't seem to be capable of subtlety anymore.

Almost all of the continuity errors were left in the movie, only a few were addressed. Like Han's shirt in ESB, english text translated to their sci-fi text, and that's about it. 

The censoring of blaster shots was a stupid, pointless change aimed at the kiddies to make the movie more "child friendly." A lot of shots of characters being shot by blasters was shortened to make the shot hitting them less visible and we all know about the infamous Greedo shooting first scene.

A lot of the special effects and continuity errors were not addressed. Like the pinkish squares surrounding the tie fighters.

Who did the restoration of the movies? Was LFL the ones who restored the movies or did they have a separate company restore them. When they did the '04 DVD restoration, did they restore the OOT film prints and then reinsert the '97 SE changes to that, or did they just work with the '97 prints and expand from them?

Why did Lucas pay so much attention to strange and unnecessary changes while continuity errors were left intact? Why didn't Lucas explain these changes in the '04 DVD commentary? How could the most popular Science Fiction films in history get such poor treatment?

Feel free to point out other poor changes and errors that weren't addressed.

Ohhhhh please.

A lot of people say GL ruined the movies by making the prequels and SEs (raped their childhoods), but I just consider them EU material. I don't know why people say they can't look at SW the same way again after the PT and SE. GL was a smarter filmaker when he did the OT but lost touch and gained more control over the years showing his truer colors. When I watch the OT I can't imagine Hayden as Darth Vader or any of the events shown in the PT as canon. If GL did get away with taking the OOT out of the general public then I weould feel that way if I had to live with te '04 DVDs. But as far as the creator... or one of the creators, as I like to call him, becoming a madman destroying his creation, I've had years of fun reading anti-Lucas stuff and being a Lucas basher on the internet so I don't really mind him becoming a senile, apathetic man. Although I do not wish he had that attitude with us and the OOT. But yeah, outside of TFN users, I don't anybody really takes the PT seriously. They're different kinds of films. It was an odd direction for GL to take. They don't work together, they're too different.

This is probably old to you guys, but I have been thinking a lot today about how amazing of a world was created in the OT. It felt like a believable galaxy far far away. My theory on that is it seems like the way our world would be expanded to the size of a galaxy. What GL should've done in the prequels was expand on this galaxy, but in an odd way, he made it feel a lot smaller in the PT and less believable. The first culprit to that is he focused too much on politics and it was too similar to our governments we have here on planet earth. The second problem was rehashing all of the characters and elements from the OT. He should've tried new things, not bring back all the character from the OT and putting them in the most predictable and contrived positions in the story. Like having C3P0 and R2 D2 back on Tatoonie living with the Lars. Or how about Chewbacca in episode 3 meeting Yoda, pure rubbish. I'm surprised we didn't see a 10 year old Han Solo winning a bet for the millenium falcon against a ten year old Lando in episode 3.

Outside that, what else is wrong with the PT and what other contrivences irretate you?

I don’t know a lot about film, but to my knowledge, the versions of the movies we want Lucasfilm to transfer on to DVD is the 35mm versions, cleaned up and properly transferred in anamorphic widescreen. They call them the nagatives, I don’t know what those are. Is negative just another name for film? I don’t know what processes are involved in cleaning up the films. I always get confused what “digitally restored and remaster” means. Is remastering the part where the film is cleaned up? For example, particles of dirt are removed from each frame. Besides raping a classic story, is the digitally restored part where it is transfered to a digital source and then errors are removed, changes are made, stories are ruined, with photo/videoediting software? Am I correct about this?

I’m sure Lucasfilm has an archive of various versions of the movies on film. Now there is some speculation that Lucas himself might’ve destroyed all the OOT film prints. Is the reason why we want the OOT transferred from 35mm prints to DVD because film holds the most image detail capacity? I am confused why 35mm and not the 70mm prints? Why is 35mm the better quality prints than the 70mm? You’d think larger film would hold more image storage capacity.

DarkGryphon2048 said:

The following sums it up.

 

This pretty much sums up Lucas's real attitude towards the fans and the franchise. I don't even think the guy is motivated by money anymore. He's just being lazy, yet won't give rights of SW to other people who care because, well... because he's George Lucas.

I'm fine with this coming out as late as May of 2010, it would be nice to have it come out the 30th aniversary of ESB.

Yeah, they should've dispatched the fleet in groups so if one group started to get small, they could dispatch more to come in in for help. They sent them all in at once with little or not strategy. When the tie fighters were on their tail they should've had more pilots that could come from behind and ttake out the ties. Also, the x-winfs could've tried to do 360s and rotate completely around the tuies and fire at them too. I hope Adywans fan edit address this.

More proof Lucas is a liar.

Even if LFL releases the OT (probably only his revised one) on BLu-ray, you're in for at least another 2 year wait. Like you guys said, they're waiting for it to become the dominate format and with this new DVD release coming , theyll probably wait for the DVD inventory to get low before moving to Blu-ray. Also, Blu-ray doesn't mean better picture quality unless they transfer it properly from original sources. And we all know how good Lucas is at that. SD DVD transferred on Blu-ray will look no better than SD if it doesn't come from a source that is less compressed and has more information stored than SD DVD capacity.  

Screw whatever Lucasfilm releases, there's way better stuff done by fans these days you can find at fanedit.org compared to anything LFL has ever released. Like Adywan's SE revisited, and the "Building Empire" and "Retiurning to Jedi" films. They're the most extensive collaberations of the making of the two films I have ever seen. They're way better than anything Lucasfilm has ever made on the making of the films. Even if Lucasfilm does release something good, we'll have to wait years to get it. Screw waiting for LFL to release something good. That's a waste of time and an insult to us fans, go to fanedit.org and you can find just about everything you want and you don't have to wait for it. Lucas wants to re-write and bury the true pre-'97 history of SW because it reveals the truth about this a-hole. LFL doesn't respect the movies and LFL doesn't care about the franchise anymore, the hell with them. Pretend the fans dictate what is done with the movies these days.

Adywan, are you making an audio commentary about all the fixes and changes you made to the movies? Perhaps you could make a short video of you working on the movies?

Well I'm pretty sure they did. I accept your appualogy but you do haev to admit that you soundew3d a little condensendinfg.

C3PX said:

Janskeet said:

he would probably get his hands cut off for butchering his masterpieces. They used to do that ya know.

 

Yeah, um, I am pretty sure that never happened. Ever.

If George lived in Midieval times, he never would have made Star Wars. He'd also wouldn't get to wear those flannel shirts he seems so fond of. Other than that, I can't say much of how life would have been for him.

 

My point is, if GL lived in Midieval Times, he would've been a different kind of artist. He would've created a sculpture or painting with the same magnatude greatness as the Star Wars trilogy, because iobviously, that was long before movies existed, plays might have, perhaps he would want to do star wars in a play fasion. After 20-30 years he decide his sculputer/painting/play needs more work and end up ruining them. All the people who admired his work would be appauled similiar to what happened today in modern times. To punish him, they would cut his hands off. You think I'm that stupid I didn't know how much different the world was back then?