Janskeet

For me it was after the first 20 minuets of AOTC when I realized this prequel story was going to suck. When was it for you?

HotRod said:

Star Wars (1977)

Cinematography: 10/10 – The editing and the camera work is some of the most iconic ever
Plot: 10/10 - Classic story perfectly done IMO
Acting: 8/10 - I thought they were great most of the time except for a few places
Dialogue: 7/10 - Could’ve used a little more work in some places
Special Effects: 8/10 – Still holds up today a lot better than the CGI in the prequels if you ask me.
Score: 10/10 – John William’s best work, perhaps the finest score ever?  

Overall Ranking: 8.8/10


Empire Strikes Back (1980)

Cinematography: 10/10 – Especially amazing in this one, it’s hard to imagine Hoth wasn’t real.
Plot: 9/10 – Great, but the fact that it doesn’t have a clear beginning or ending doesn’t make it feel as whole of a movie.
Acting: 9/10 – An improvement over ANH
Dialogue: 9/10- Also an improvement
Special Effects: 9/10 – Battle of Hoth and Yoda are amazing, but cloud city detracts a point
Score: 10/10 – John Williams continues a genius score, a lot of originality while continuing the Star Wars feel

Overall Ranking: 9.3/10


Return of the Jedi (1983)

Cinematography: 9/10 – You can tell Richard Marquand was not as innovative as Irvin or George with ANH, but it is still great.
Plot: 8/10 – Recycling the plot from ANH detracts some points, but I thought they still did a good job at keeping it original.
Acting: 8/10 – On par with ANH
Dialogue: 8/10 – While Ian McDiarmid had great lines, not much new here
Special Effects: 9/10 – If it weren’t for the Rancor the super star destroyer blowing up and a few other things, I would give it a 10
Score: 10/10 – Mixes a lot of the previous two scores and adds some new work, I thought it was perfect   

Overall Ranking: 8.6/10


The Phantom Menace (1999)

Cinematography: 8/10 – Camera work was good, now the CGI that’s a different story
Plot: 6/10 – Interesting in some ways, confusing and ridiculous in others, at least it was unique
Acting: 5/10 - Average
Dialogue: 6/10 – Also Average
Special Effects: 6/10 – Now I thought the CGI in this one was not so distracting and used well in some places. It was still really awful in other areas with the Gungans, Pod racing, and Jar Jar
Score: 8/10 – I thought John Williams continued the Star Wars quality here.

Overall Ranking: 6.5/10 – I didn’t think this one was that bad. I thought it still felt like a Star Wars movie and George stirred up some good ideas to build on. If Episodes 2 and 3 were actually good, I wouldn’t mind this one that much.


Attack of the Clones (2002)

Cinematography: 5/10 - Average
Plot: 3/10 – Awful, contrived, cheesy and poorly done, insults our intelligence
Acting: 3/10 – I don’t think I need to explain this
Dialogue: 2/10 – Likewise
Special Effects: 3/10 - I thought the CGI in this was absolutely terrible. While George used mostly CGI in TPM, he still mixed it up with REAL stuff and used film, in this it looks like almost all CGI and the digital cameras make everything look all artificial.
Score: 7/10 – It’s good but it is too romantic and over dramatic for the crappy love story

Overall Ranking: 3.8/10


Revenge of the Sith (2005)

Cinematography: 6/10 – Again only average, there was some good work, but for the most part it was condescending and boring with all the close up shots of Anakin and crap
Plot: 4/10 – The mechanism for turning Anakin to the Darkside has to be the laziest, most cliché ever.
Acting: 4/10 – Only slightly better than AOTC
Dialogue: 3/10 – I thought there was a big decline in quality after TPM
Special Effects: 4/10 – George continues to use video game CGI for his entire movie
Score: 7/10 – Nothing original here, just a recycle of the last 5 films combined. Cheesy and over dramatic for what was seen on screen.

Overall Ranking: 4.6/10

Can I sue you for this Hotrod?

More like "LimpRod".

1. Die Hard

2. Empire Strikes Back

3. Back to the Future

4. The Terminator

5. The Thing

6. Return of the Jedi

7. Blade Runner

8. Raiders of the Lost Ark

9. Last Crusade

10. Rain Man

What do you think?

I'm surprised how few have agreed with my rankings. I think they're very agreeable. While technically ESB is ranked higher than ANH, I prefer to watch ANH more often because I think the story is more enjoyable than ESB. IMO ESB is technically better done than ANH but ANH is the better story.

HotRod said:

What do you mean???

If it's my list order....well...yeah!!!

If it's the lack of details, noone else bothered, so why should I!!

Ha!!

 

And I was only joking about my list...I rank AOTC Aove TPM

 

 

 So does that mean you rank AOTC as #1? Boy you really are joking.

It took me less than an hour to make that post. I'm not the busiest person in the world but I'm sure you all can spare 15-30 minuets to answer this correctly.

HotRod said:

Janskeet said:

You guys continue to not answer my post the way I want you to. I want you to rate the movies on the 6 categories I gave on a 1 to 10 scale. Feel free to add more categories if you'd like.

 

 

That takes to long...We have a life!! ;)

 

 

1) Revenge of the Sith - 10 /10  -  Great story, great fx, great Acting

2) The Phantom Menace - 9.5 /10  -  Great story, great fx, great Acting

3) Attack of the Clones -  8.5 / 10 - As above, just let down by a few corny lines

4) Return of the Jedi 7.5 / 10 - Best of the OT by far

5) A New hope 6 /10 - Ok but looking dated now

6) The Empire Strikes Back 4 /10 - A little boring in places. And Yoda does look shit compared to the CGI of Episodes 2 & 3

 

;)

YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT?

Vaderisnothayden said:

Johnny Ringo said:

without explanations as to how you arrived at certain scores it's hard [for me] to see this as much more than prequel bashing,  

The more prequel bashing the better. The prequels need to be bashed, particularly ROTS.

 

skyjedi2005 said:

To me the special editions and prequels are not real star wars. 

I agree with that view.

 

 

I'd rate Empire Strikes Back number one, but Return of the Jedi has some of the best stuff in the films. I'd put Star Wars third, because while it's a great film I feel it's a bit weaker than ESB and ROTJ. That's one, two and three. All those three are great films, a joy to watch.

Phantom Menace is a huge drop from the OT but it's next. It's closest to being Star Wars out of the prequels. It's got the most humanity and depth out of the prequels, even if it's shallow by the standards of the OT. The cgi characters don't fit with Star Wars at all, but Neeson and Portman are good and Jake Lloyd is at least better than Hayden Christensen. The film doesn't have the unnatural emptiness of the later two prequels.

Attack of the Clones is a biiig drop from Phantom Menace. After I saw this film I wasn't interested in seeing the next one. This film was mostly crap. Even apart from the dreadful fake romance. And that battle at the end with the Jedi was so bland and feelingless, and Yoda fighting with a lightsaber has to be one of the lamest sights ever.

Revenge of the Shit is as big a drop from AOTC as AOTC is from TPM. Horrendous. One of the very worst films I've ever seen. Absolute shite. Absolutely zero depth of feeling or humanity. Flat crap. I can't belive how bad this film is. So much bad acting. Crap cgi. Feelingless uninvolving battle scenes, from the useless opening battle down to the awfulness of the overdone painful lava fight and the pathetic Yoda vs Palpatine. The film has a seriously off message (love is bad, don't love, love turns you bad, passion is bad) and it seems to follow this message in not having any depth of feeling. We're supposed to be sad when the Jedi are "tragically" killed, but they're such a bunch of insufferable jerks that it doesn't work at all. Anakin turning to the dark side is written so poorly it's laughable. And Hayden Christensen's performance was worthy of twenty razzies. Let's also note the the awful bland visual look of the film. You have to work hard to make a film this bad. It really takes effort. Supreme awfulness. A totally shallow empty film.

You guys continue to not answer my post the way I want you to. I want you to rate the movies on the 6 categories I gave on a 1 to 10 scale. Feel free to add more categories if you'd like.

skyjedi2005 said:

to me star wars ranked is:

1. Empire Strikes Back 1980

2. Star Wars 1977

3. Return of the Jedi 1983

 

To me the special editions and prequels are not real star wars.  Are you guys still drinking the Lucas kool aid?  Lol   Ever since 1997 and 1999 Lucas stopped being a genius or good moviemaker in my opinion.

I will always  give endless respect for the originals and continue to wonder where he lost his way.

The only good film he made after his divorce was The Last Crusade and that is more because of Spielberg than Lucas.  Willow was decent, i liked it a lot as a kid despite being a bad knockoff of star wars and tolkien.

 

I rank Indiana Jones:

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark

2.  The Last Crusade

3. The Temple of Doom

4. Kingdom of the Crystal Numbskulls

like the prequels i put seperate from the real star wars.

1.Revenge of the Shit

2. The Phantom Plot movie

3. Attack of the Wooden Romance

I agree with you skyjedi that the prequels are not real star wars movies. They're more like the type of movies Disney would make if they bought the rights to make the prequels.

But I still want to see you guys rank all six of them the way I did with the six catagories and feel free to add more if you'd like. I want to see your guys' opinions of all catagories.

I added more to my OP, yes I do agree that the ending showdown was a little convoluted, but that was due to the time restraints and budgeting issues. I'm sure if they had more time they would've done better. I prefer Adywan's revisited but I think the theatrical version is just as good too. I don't think the scenes on the desert dragged on too long. I thought the story was done just right.

I know this has been addressed many times before probably, but wherever the thread went, it is long gone now. So I will start a new one and I want to make this a little more comprehensive ranking than what most people have done.

I will rank the movies on six major areas of filmmaking and then average them all out to get the overall ranking.

For cinematography I’m addressing editing, camera work, sets and lighting. Not the more esthetics stuff like CGI work, models, costumes, and stuff added in postproduction like laser blasters, space ships and models. I address that with the special effects category.

I’m also ranking the movies without the budget and time period they were made in mind. I just try to judge the categories for how good I think they are in general and not give the OT more credit for being made on a lower budget and more limited special effects capabilities at the time.

With acting and dialogue, just give a balanced, overall weighted feeling about how good it was. 10 being perfect, 9 being almost perfect, 8 being great but with a few bad lines here and there, 7 being good, 6 slightly above average, ect.

And I’m only addressing the OOT of course.

The rest I think is self-explanatory.


Star Wars (1977)

Cinematography: 10/10 – The editing and the camera work is some of the most iconic ever
Plot: 10/10 - Classic story perfectly done IMO
Acting: 8/10 - I thought they were great most of the time except for a few places
Dialogue: 7/10 - Could’ve used a little more work in some places
Special Effects: 8/10 – Still holds up today a lot better than the CGI in the prequels if you ask me.
Score: 10/10 – John William’s best work, perhaps the finest score ever?  

Overall Ranking: 8.8/10


Empire Strikes Back (1980)

Cinematography: 10/10 – Especially amazing in this one, it’s hard to imagine Hoth wasn’t real.
Plot: 9/10 – Great, but the fact that it doesn’t have a clear beginning or ending doesn’t make it feel as whole of a movie.
Acting: 9/10 – An improvement over ANH
Dialogue: 9/10- Also an improvement
Special Effects: 9/10 – Battle of Hoth and Yoda are amazing, but cloud city detracts a point
Score: 10/10 – John Williams continues a genius score, a lot of originality while continuing the Star Wars feel

Overall Ranking: 9.3/10


Return of the Jedi (1983)

Cinematography: 9/10 – You can tell Richard Marquand was not as innovative as Irvin or George with ANH, but it is still great.
Plot: 8/10 – Recycling the plot from ANH detracts some points, but I thought they still did a good job at keeping it original.
Acting: 8/10 – On par with ANH
Dialogue: 8/10 – While Ian McDiarmid had great lines, not much new here
Special Effects: 9/10 – If it weren’t for the Rancor the super star destroyer blowing up and a few other things, I would give it a 10
Score: 10/10 – Mixes a lot of the previous two scores and adds some new work, I thought it was perfect   

Overall Ranking: 8.6/10


The Phantom Menace (1999)

Cinematography: 8/10 – Camera work was good, now the CGI that’s a different story
Plot: 6/10 – Interesting in some ways, confusing and ridiculous in others, at least it was unique
Acting: 5/10 - Average
Dialogue: 6/10 – Also Average
Special Effects: 6/10 – Now I thought the CGI in this one was not so distracting and used well in some places. It was still really awful in other areas with the Gungans, Pod racing, and Jar Jar
Score: 8/10 – I thought John Williams continued the Star Wars quality here.

Overall Ranking: 6.5/10 – I didn’t think this one was that bad. I thought it still felt like a Star Wars movie and George stirred up some good ideas to build on. If Episodes 2 and 3 were actually good, I wouldn’t mind this one that much.


Attack of the Clones (2002)

Cinematography: 5/10 - Average
Plot: 3/10 – Awful, contrived, cheesy and poorly done, insults our intelligence
Acting: 3/10 – I don’t think I need to explain this
Dialogue: 2/10 – Likewise
Special Effects: 3/10 - I thought the CGI in this was absolutely terrible. While George used mostly CGI in TPM, he still mixed it up with REAL stuff and used film, in this it looks like almost all CGI and the digital cameras make everything look all artificial.
Score: 7/10 – It’s good but it is too romantic and over dramatic for the crappy love story

Overall Ranking: 3.8/10


Revenge of the Sith (2005)

Cinematography: 6/10 – Again only average, there was some good work, but for the most part it was condescending and boring with all the close up shots of Anakin and crap
Plot: 4/10 – The mechanism for turning Anakin to the Darkside has to be the laziest, most cliché ever.
Acting: 4/10 – Only slightly better than AOTC
Dialogue: 3/10 – I thought there was a big decline in quality after TPM
Special Effects: 4/10 – George continues to use video game CGI for his entire movie
Score: 7/10 – Nothing original here, just a recycle of the last 5 films combined. Cheesy and over dramatic for what was seen on screen.

Overall Ranking: 4.6/10

I assume finding original '77 '80 and '83 action figures in their original packageing is extremely rare and I assume their value is astronomecal. But do any of you know where I can find these? I looked on ebay and there was a little stuff here and there, but so far I haven’t found original action figures still in their packaging from '77-'83.

Adywan's fanedits at fanedit.org is in higher definition than SD DVD.

What's is up with all the recent SW commercials? Everytime there is a break in a show I hear that damn John Williams score playing.

I find it interesting that Michigan used to be a red state until the '92 presidential election and has been strongly blue since then. I bet GM outsourcing had a lot to do with that.

Tiptup said:

Janskeet said:

I love it how our country is so against wellfare for the poor (good forbid we help anybody in need) but when it comes for welfare for the rich, hey, we're all for it!! They deserve to be put on a pedastal cause "they create jobs".

This "country" does not support welfare for the rich. Allowing them to keep money they legitimately earn is fine, but that's not welfare.

Whenever I think your ability to be stupid has been exhausted, Janskreet, you somehow manage to sink your mind even lower. For the sake of not looking like an asshole, perhaps you should stop trying to think about politics altogether. You obviously have no fucking clue what you're ever talking about and you run away, like a coward, from every intellectual challenge you receive. In my opinion that's just not working for you. :)


Oh, and weren't you the little asshole who was recently complaining about the United States controlling most of the worlds wealth, Janskreet? Only a hypocritical piece of shit would then immediately switch to complain about American companies employing foreign individuals. The best way to help the rest of the world is to give it jobs and work with it. Now, as a conservative, I am apposed to the United States giving away jobs to bad countries when the United States should get support by comparison, but if you're an idiot that thinks all countries and cultures are equal in every way, you have no fucking right to complain about the outsourcing of jobs.

Michigan is one of the worst run states in the union. Democrats have continually tried to crush the ability of people to get ahead and build wealth there. Apart from the fact that Michael Moore's movies are, in the end, complete lies, the best way to help an economy that is losing jobs is to let new businesses grow in place of the old. Traditional Democrats don't like new businesses and a growing economy, however, and prefer to keep everyone down so they can hand out welfare to those who do no work at all. That's a far bigger crime than GM trying to keep their business competive by employing foreign labor. If you can't realize such a simple fact, then you are a brainless fool that isn't worth talking to. You seemed like a nice person otherwise (in Star Wars discussions and such), but if you can't engage in even simple discussions about politics, you're hopeless.


For the sake of the United States, I hope Barack Obama tries to bring us back to the sound fiscal policies of Ronald Reagan. Under Bush we have moved away from those principles and that's the main reason why our economy is currently doing so poorly. I don't care what party is in office so long as we get back to doing the right things. I just have a fear that Barack is going to make things worse though (on the basis of what he says he wants to do).

If you people are so hell bent on telling me off on how little I know, why don’t you tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that over 18,000 Americans die a year of preventative illnesses because they don’t have health care? Tell me why it’s okay insurance companies are getting away without paying people without preexisting conditions and other excuses, people having to file for bankruptcies when they get sick while insurance companies remain the wealthiest corporations in the world? Tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that poverty is increasing and wages and opportunities for jobs are decreasing? Tell me why I shouldn’t be concerned that suicide, crime, homicide, and poor living conditions increased in communities where corporations outsource their jobs? Tell me why I should be happy that my tax dollars are going to an unnecessary war to line pockets of Bush’s friends that ship our jobs overseas? Tell me why my rights to speak for what I believe in should be revoked with the patriot act and Republicans labeling me and democrats ignorant, anti-American, communist, socialist and hating god for speaking of what they believe in.  

Tipup, I never complained about his country controlling the worlds wealth, I complained that in one of the wealthiest countries in the world we are the only ones that don’t have universal health care. And don't tell me that it would cost too much because we could easily afford it without raising taxes. Bureaucracies have been paying themselves way too much to begin with. Bush turned a surplus into the greatest debt since the great depression. Out of all that money we have wasted with wars and corporate giveaways, we could've funded universal healthcare several times over.

I am so sick of you people telling me I how I should feel think about economics. First of all, I don't see these jobs that corporations outsource as growing foreign economies because they are paying slave labor. I doubt that corporations that outsource really grow economies in foreign countries because they pay them so low and a lot are being forced to work. I don't know if this is still true but in the late '80s GM was paying foreign employees 7 cents an hour. Second, GM used to pull the same crap on Americans until they had a rebellion in '36-'37 which formed the UAW. GM was doing just fine paying the workers the wages the UAW demanded and they were making record profits at the time, but they decided to move the factories anyways because obviously they could make way more money. That is an act of theft to their employees to pull their jobs from them when they were making the company record profits. I don’t know about you but I think working in a car factory is hard, depressing work and they deserved the wage the UAW was making GM pay them. There was no consideration for the damage that it would do to the community of Flint Michigan. I find that anti-American to maximize profits without consideration of workers in the US. Now I do understand the importance of outsourcing in some situations, but GM was the largest corporation at the time. New businesses tried to revive the economy there but it was too difficult.

Before Obama won, I seriously felt like we were on the verge of becoming a fascist nation. Voters in poorer communities were made to wait hours to vote in line. It is deliberate because they know in poorer, working class communities they usually vote democrat and by making them wait hours they increase their chances of them getting fed up or running out of time to vote. I’m surprised to see Florida turning democrat this time (take that Bush & Rush Limbaugh). The patriot act, which had nothing to do with searching for terrorism, it was all about finding out how much we know and silencing the messengers that know too much about Bush’s true agenda. Republicans were labeling Democrats as anti-American, Communists, God hating people because they care about our economy and want to have accountability for health care? I see Democrats as the true Americans. I think I’ve said this several times. I see the Republicans as people who want to force religion on people, eliminate the middle class, and brainwash them into thinking this is as good as it gets. They want the economy to be like 3rd world countries like Jamaica and want discrimination and prejudice back. That’s why they don’t care about running up massive debt. The Bush administration had had such a double standard. Borrowing money from countries that don’t like us to fight terrorism. Does borrowing money from all these countries make you feel safer knowing it will take us decades to pay it off?

I don't believe in capitalism, or at least capitalism without strong government regulation. What people have fought and struggled for here most people are handed in European countries. I wish I would've grown up in a socialist country. I think I would've done a lot better if I didn't grow up in a home where my parents got divorced because my dad was greedy for money and my mom was working two jobs, always stressed out struggling to make ends meet.

I love it how our country is so against wellfare for the poor (good forbid we help anybody in need) but when it comes for welfare for the rich, hey, we're all for it!! They deserve to be put on a pedastal cause "they create jobs".

So have any of you seen this boxset yet?

See arabic write to the left cause they know better.

ferris209 said:

At least if you don't like Communist societies and redistribution of wealth and people who associate with known terrorists, racists, and theives.

 

p.s.= I am a real southerner and this how we spell "ya'll"

Exactly, that's why I voted for Obama.

Jay said:

You hit the backspace key to move left in order to correct a mistake.

Duh.

This is a really good analogy of why you should vote republican.

Hey Rob, have you ever seen Micheal Moore's movie Roger & Me? It came out in theaters in 1989 and was his first movie that went to cinemas and it looks like his best one. It's a movie that takes a look at the unethical reasons for GM oustsorcing their jobs and the devestation it caused to the city of Flint Michegan in the '80s. I agree with Micheal Moore that is an act of terrorism on corportations part to strip away the backbone econemy of a city of hard working citizens in the auto industry to make more money when they were already making record profits at the time. I also think it is appauling that our government doesn't do anything about it.

ferris209 said:

MeBeJedi said:

If it's about "redistributing wealth", then I remind you that "trickle-down economics" was a way of "redistributing wealth" as well.


Sorry, but if "speading the wealth" is the best you've got, then you've got nothing.

 

No it is not. "trickle-down economics" runs on the premise that when rich people pay less taxes then they in turn invest the gains into other businesses or companies who thus hire people to work and giving many jobs and you products to buy. The wealth of the rich guy was invested and subsequently paid to a guy who put in a days work he took the money home to feed his family. Redistributing wealth? Yeah, but honorably and in everyone favor. That is my scenerio.

 

Obama's redistribution of wealth plan is that the rich guy has his money taken forcefully by taxes and then given to God knows who. Most likely someone who shirks work and feigns earning anything.

Your theory is bullshit. Bush proved the trickle down theory doesn't work. When was the last time you saw the wealthy just giving away money because they had low taxes. They want more for them and less for you, they want to make you work for as little as possible. You poeple make corporation sound like charities just dying to make jobs and give away money!

Why do you people support the rich so much? The more I read about regonomics the more I am disgusted. All this outsourcing of jobs, I think Regan is responcible for people's death in this country who fell victim of Flint Michigans devestated econmey over outsourcing. Crime rates and homicide skyrocketed, people committed suicide over losing their job. They didn't lose their job because their business was struggling, but just because they could improve their profits by shipping their jobs to foreign countries even though GM was making record profits at the time anyways. They make foreiners wortk for obscenely low amount of money, like 7 cents an hour. Flint Michigan's econmeny was devestated by GM outsourcing their jobs in the '80s, they just had to make more money and devestate the community that relied on GM. Money is a drug and I beleive in our governement keeping a leash on our CEOs. All you fools are being duped by republicans and won't get a clue until everything is gone.                            

Finally, news anchors who aren't afraid to state the facts. Conservatives would call them "leaning to the left", but I call them stating the facts. Keith Olberman had a great segment on today stating how if Barak Obama had all the freudian slips McCain has had, nobody would still consider him a legitimate candidate. You should check them out on msnbc weekdays from 7-10pm.