JakeRyan17

Neerb said:

You guys are looking way too into the lore reasoning of this when the Doylist reason is readily apparent: to minimize the ickiness.

The reason the novel clarifies he’s a clone is because if he were Palps’ biological son, Palpatine would have had to have banged Rey’s grandma sometime during the late Empire, which is a gross thought we don’t need some EU writer detailing for us down the line.

Meanwhile if he were more clearly spelled out as Palps’ clone in the movie, we would have a flashback where a digitally-de-aged McDiarmid is coddling the young Rey, which would be just as horrifying and also create the unnerving idea that biologically Rey is actually Palp’s daughter.

The sloppy mixture of movie and book explanations we got was ultimately a mercy. He’s a test-tube baby and not the result of wrinkly Sith love-making, but he’s an imperfect clone who’s genetically-speaking more like a son than a literal second Palps.

Considering Palpatine didn’t need to return, in the first place, and Underworld would have had a woman breaking Palpatine’s heart in the time period of her father’s conception… there was still no need to go about this silliness.

It was a way of making it about important families and also not inherited… but done in the most confusing, contradictory, and unsatisfying way.

Cinefy said:

Hal 9000 said:

Wow, that is garbage!

There’s nothing within the film itself to at all hint toward Rey’s father being a clone rather than a regular son.

I mean showing there is some Palpatine clones being worked on in this edit is enough atleast, I think the current explanation is his son/clone wasn’t force sensitive so they cast him out and years later his daughter inherited Palpatine’s power.

That is the current canonical explanation. 😩

Icecream2448 said:

Vidmaster said:

Icecream2448 said:

Were there any explicit references to Rey’s dad being a failed clone of Palpatine?

I do not think the timeline would add up on that, plus it would feel really forced. Another clone? Fully with HAL on this one, we should not even try.

I was asking if there was any direct implication of it in the theatrical film. Because that actually is the explanation in canon; Rey’s father was a “failed” Palpatine clone. I want any trace of that gone just as much as anyone else does, lol.

There is not. That information came from the novelisation.

Knight of Kalee said:

WGTC is not very reliable regarding rumours and the note seems rather biased against Kennedy.

Any rumour that continues the myth that Kennedy is hated and on the way out shouldn’t be taken seriously… that should always be the first, big red flag.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/star-wars-rise-skywalker-lucas-cut-reportedly-includes-dozens-scenes/?fbclid=IwAR36YH5X3GsvMSyzZsqIyDoeRzYHT64n3c_W9Wa_Rhq8UZF2tIbOCUbqIWQ

The Lucas Cut? Apparently Disney wants in on a re-edit

That’s a different department, but I would be highly suspect of anything that perpetuates the anti-Kennedy mythology.

Anakin Starkiller said:

JakeRyan17 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

So I like A Gentle Restructure’s moving of the Hosnian destruction to the end as a failure of the Resistance to destroy the superlaser in time. However, I still can’t get past having another Death Star. I want the Senate to be destroyed via dreadnought. How do we make this work? I feel like there could be a way to accomplish this using the opening scene of TLJ, but I fear for how the holes that may create in Poe’s arc for that film. I also don’t wanna entirely lose the attack run on Starkiller Base.

Poe doesn’t really have an arc, but if you’re gonna have planet destruction you might as well take a Star Destroyer from IX. Maybe take the Kijimi sequence and use it.

I don’t want a planetary destruction, though. Just a concentrated blow on one spot like the one delivered by the dreadnought.

Gotcha. That’s harder without having a new VFX shot, as the film barely establishes where we are or what happened as it is. You could possibly repurpose/recolour a shot from Rogue One on Jedha, to show the destruction but not the whole planet.

Anakin Starkiller said:

So I like A Gentle Restructure’s moving of the Hosnian destruction to the end as a failure of the Resistance to destroy the superlaser in time. However, I still can’t get past having another Death Star. I want the Senate to be destroyed via dreadnought. How do we make this work? I feel like there could be a way to accomplish this using the opening scene of TLJ, but I fear for how the holes that may create in Poe’s arc for that film. I also don’t wanna entirely lose the attack run on Starkiller Base.

Poe doesn’t really have an arc, but if you’re gonna have planet destruction you might as well take a Star Destroyer from IX. Maybe take the Kijimi sequence and use it.

Hal 9000 said:

Anyone familiar with Resistance know any good Poe lines that would fit as he leads the Falcon into the charge to attack the Star Destroyers?

He has so few lines, and I think all of them are to Kaz, not flying his ship into the fray.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Like I said, I don’t wanna cannibalize the other films in the process.

I don’t know if there’s enough footage to not touch the other films… you could try restructuring it like Hal, but I have a few story issues with that (biggest being, why would a Star Destroyer run away from a handful of light fighters and a couple shuttles?).

You could trim it down, but then you’d end up having similar pacing issues as TROS (as TFA is pretty breakneck paced already).

Anakin Starkiller said:

I don’t wanna steal scenes from TLJ and break it in the process.

On an unrelated note, you know how the trouble with redesigning Takodana is Rey’s line about green? Well what if left the trees intact and instead changed the water? Picture a lake of orange juice in front of Maz’s Castle.

Haha, why redesign Takodana? I have issues with that scene, but they were never colour based 😂

Anakin Starkiller said:

So TFA starts off real strong, but when Han and Chewie enter the picture, it starts to lose steam. By the time they reach Starkiller Base it’s like the writers have just given up. What can be done about this? How do we improve the second half of the film (and if possible distance it from ANH)?

Maybe there would be a way to mix scenes from TLJ, like having Kylo kidnap her and take her to Snoke instead of his ship. You’d have to place her training with Luke prior to Maz’s Castle, but other than that it would be pretty clean. Could maybe make her training with Luke be visions while he’s trying to interrogate her, when he mentions dreaming of the ocean or whatever, making her less of a “Mary Sue”. Then they could approach Snoke and have that big climax.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Instead of contacting Maz, the DJ could be someone one of them already knows and they contact him. He agrees to help, arrives offscreen, and everything proceeds as normal.

Exactly, he could just be another “Resistance” member. Go from talking about needing a code breaker to being on the ship with him, headed to Snoke’s Star Destroyer.

Ed Slushie said:

Has anyone thought about a possible way to give the “Master Codebreaker” from TLJ a different introduction? If you think about it, his presence is really the only thing that changes because of the trip to Canto Bight. If he were somehow introduced earlier, like maybe if he were one of the people who tried to desert from the Resistance, then he and Finn and Rose could go straight from the Raddus to the Supremacy and save a lot of time.

Could possibly edit the code breaker conversation with Poe to adjust it. Confirm you need a code breaker, cut out contacting Maz and needing to find one, then cut to the conversation on the ship that can establish him as the code breaker.

omnimuffin said:

idir_hh said:

Well this is coming out in December, so maaybe there’s a chance they re-release TROS with the deleted scenes then?

I mean, we DID eventually get TFA deleted scenes. We can dream, can’t we?

We still had most of the released deleted scenes on the initial BD, there were only like two extras on the 3D BD.

Hal 9000 said:

Well, even cheap storage isn’t anything for me to laugh at these days.

Also, check the bitrate of your files. Depending on what you’re using, converting to ProRes may be unnecessary. You might only need ProRes LT, or if the source is from H.264 you could likely edit with that if you’re using Premiere Pro or Final Cut Pro X. Avid would need ProRes or DNxHD/XR, but I doubt anyone is using that. There’s no added quality in making the files unnecessarily larger.

NeverarGreat said:

With the declining cost of data storage, I’m questioning more and more if I should delete any file ever again.

Active projects on the SSD, finished projects on the HDD.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m betting on the day after I eventually delete my master ProRes file, meaning I’d have to potentially do a lot more work to get back up and running.

Ain’t that always how it goes?

idir_hh said:

Well this is coming out in December, so maaybe there’s a chance they re-release TROS with the deleted scenes then?

😂

omnimuffin said:

One also can’t discount the huge effect Marcia Lucas had on ANH and ROTJ.

Definitely, though arguably her ideas weren’t as countered and rejected by Lucas; she was more a collaborator. Abrams with IX and Kershner with V were the two directors actively going against what came before.

adobewan said:

Any thoughts on an edit of The Force Awakens that finishes off the story with one film? Snoke would need to be removed and Kylo would be implied to die in the Starkiller explosion. I just don’t know how to wrap up the Luke cliffhanger in a satisfying way

I don’t know if you really can. There’s no real complete arc to any of the characters in that film, except Kylo. I think it would be easier to integrate some TFA scenes into TLJ to make a standalone film.

Hoop28 said:

Not really. While Lucas was distracted with working on Indiana Jones with Spielberg, Irvin Kershner shot Empire in such a way that when George Lucas came back to edit it, he pretty much had no choice but to follow Irvin’s ideas. Very few takes were shot, and among the ones that were shot, there wasn’t a whole lot of variety. While George Lucas wrote the broad strokes of the story, the final product become much more of an Irvin Kershner movie than a George Lucas movie.

Like JakeRyan said, Lucas’s complete lack of control over Empire was a huge influence on RotJ. He took a lot more control over RotJ and hired a much weaker director (Richard Marquand) who wouldn’t pull the kind of stuff Irvin Kershner pulled. This is why I think RotJ feels a lot more Lucas-y than the other two movies. I think this is also why Empire is George Lucas’s least favorite Star Wars movie.

I don’t mean to downplay George Lucas’s contribution to the OT. This isn’t an early 2010s conspiracy theory about how XYZ rando was the REAL creator of Star Wars. But we shouldn’t swing too hard the other direction either. Even ignoring his rocky relationship to Empire, the idea that he was a sole visionary force behind the Original Trilogy is wrong. Most movies are group projects, and hell, Star Wars is the example I usually go to for this, where so many people were putting their ideas for Star Wars, sometimes directly against George Lucas’s wishes, that are now some of the most important aspects of Star Wars. Which is why when the prequels rolled around and George Lucas was in complete control, and all these other creatives were either dead or had had a falling out with Lucas, to most people the movies felt like they were missing something integral to Star Wars.

Marquand did still bring his own contributions to RotJ, even if minor. If I remember correctly the claustrophobic feel of Jabba’s Palace was one of his big contributions, along with attempting to show Vader’s emotions behind the mask.

Point was that Lucas did not have the original trilogy under one cohesive vision, most notably with Empire Strikes Back which made several (now iconic) decisions that he didn’t like.

RogueLeader said:

Hmm, I wonder if the Content Aware Fill tool in After Effects could be used to remove the watermark.

Possibly… I know it’s kinda spotty from my using it. It wasn’t good enough to remove timecode from TFA’s deleted scenes.

natm said:

Hello, this might be the wrong thread to write this in but I recently got a blu ray burner to rip my rise of skywalker blu ray for editing purposes, and downloading ascendant on my new MacBook to do edits with them on iMovie/final cut pro, and I wanted to ask if anybody here had any advice on converting mkvs to mp4 because for some reason every time I try to do it, as soon as I load the movie into iMovie/final cut pro the audio is normal but there is a descriptive audio track along with the normal movie audio. I’m using vlc to do this, and I just wanted to ask if anyone knew how I could change my approach to this or if there’s another app I could use to convert the files successfully.

Not the right thread, but I’d recommend Handbrake. Do the highest setting, switch to constant frame rate, and choose 23.976 or 24. You can also choose audio formats and such, can’t remember what it defaults to.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Is there any way we could have Rey actually join Kylo in TLJ and have them gone rogue from both factions? I guess not, eh?

There’s not enough footage of them together. Even if you cut everything between that scene and confronting Palpatine, they still don’t arrive together or work together until after fighting the guards and Knights of Ren.