JakeRyan17

Totally agree. But their business model is focused elsewhere, especially with COVID-19.

97% sure deleted scenes will never be released. They have other things they could release that would make people even happier, yet they’re not doing it… so I just feel like it’ll never happen.

Solemn.Philosopher said:

natestarwarsfan122 said:

Hi! I have been watching this project and it’s predecessor for a while from the shadows. I think that if a voice actor could be found, the first act of the movie could flow like this; chapter 9 opening, replace the tatooine line with trask, or mon calamari. Then cut to an establishing shot of trask, and go on from the restaurant scene. You could then cut out any boba Fett stuff from the rest of the season and focus on the main story. I think this would work well for establishing what I think don’s arc in the season will be. Thanks!

It is an interesting idea, but it might be challenging getting around the broken ship (especially since the subsequent repair job was haphazard). It might be possible to use other shots of the ship in flight, but I am not sure about leaving the planet itself.

I agree, that’s why I think szopman’s idea of cutting from Din’s misgivings to the tattered approach to Trask is such a brilliant idea.

Again, it’s still a bit early to tell what will be significant in further episodes.

Cool as Chapter 9 is, having Din find Boba’s armour in the crawl will likely work better in making this entire season a single film.

I do like the idea of going from the Chapter 10 conversation to him approaching Trask in Chapter 11. That’s a nice joke that lets it be ambiguous what all happened and enables Bo Katan to be the opening battle sequence (as most Star Wars films have an action set piece before the inciting incident, or as the inciting incident).

Oh, I’d even just be chill with an animated movie… just would find Yoda and them interacting to be interesting.

But live-action? Hmm. The kid who played Boba, if he’s talented enough, could play them all. Temuera could play them all… I think in live action you’d have to to face/body swapping, which would drive up the budget a bit. Luckily, with Clones ageing twice as fast as normal humans, there’s some flexibility between casting.

I want the Bad Batch arc on Kashyyk with Yoda to be made into a direct-to-Disney+ movie

Like and Leia also act like they know everything they care to know about Snoke.

And my point is that for decades A New Hope was treated like a sequel to unseen events, and it wasn’t confusing. When the explanation came of how the Empire rose, most fans rejected it. Also, again, the difference is that the characters we know and interacted with were directly impacted by the events of the prequels. There’s no shared history with Snoke, so it doesn’t matter.

Take a Legends/EU example: the Yuuzhan Vong aren’t really explained. They just come from far away. Over the course of those stories they kinda delve into pertinent details, but they’re not giving all of this unnecessary information just to fill out more pages on Wookieepedia.

If that backstory reveal doesn’t affect what’s happening in the current story: it doesn’t matter. Snoke’s backstory never impacted the current stories being told. Pre-TROS continuity had him as an ancient dark force calling out to Palpatine from the Unknown Regions in novels and games. But what would such a reveal in the film matter when talking to characters that were born after Palpatine’s death? What would it matter to Luke and Leia who were concerned with toppling the Empire and restoring democracy to the Galaxy in the OT and have to help or not help do that again? When did they state that they’d defeated the Dark Side of the Force? Where does this plot point come up that you’re so attached to?

Again, it’s just for fans who want to fill out Wookieepedia pages. It did not serve the actual story being told. If you’re mad that we got the stories we got, a lot of people are mad at JJ Abrams for his decisions to do an off-brand A New Hope story and reset that status quo. The problem isn’t Snoke and the First Order, the problem is hiring a man who can’t write to be co-writer and director.

I guess the nature of Star Wars always being presented as not the first chronological instalment, and being rebranded as “Episode Four” as early as the following instalment, is why I don’t feel it’s different.

We still don’t need to know more about him, because he’s by his very nature a force to push Kylo Ren in his development. It doesn’t matter how Snoke came to power, what matters is he is in power, and how he’s using that power. Again, looking at Johnson’s intention (Abrams didn’t really have any coherent vision or plan, so he’s not worth looking at in this capacity), the plan was to have Snoke killed by Kylo and set up Kylo as the big bad. This shifts importance onto Kylo’s backstory, which was developed quite well across the films.

Rian even talked about this, saying that a reveal of who Snoke was or how he came to be wouldn’t really change anything for the characters in the story. He’s right. None of our characters care about the how, they want to combat him.

What you’re talking about is an audience desire, not something that would actually serve the story. Contrast this with Palpatine’s return. With Palpatine, we need more information because his reappearance contradicts his death that we’d already seen. Snoke arrives from a previously unexplored place, literally called the Unknown Regions, so his arrival and rise to power does not contradict any prior story. Information about him doesn’t impact anything about the story, partially because he wasn’t in those prior instalments. Even if he had been a crime lord, or Darth Plagueis and Palpatine’s teacher… it wouldn’t matter. His backstory only matters if he comes into contact with someone he had a shared past with.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Random idea I don’t plan on using: Palpatine lies to Rey and Kylo about being Rey’s grandfather to manipulate her desperate desire for family. It’s revealed in the final confrontation that he made it all up.

Anything that undoes the silly inherited powers is good in my book.

I dunno. Messy as if it, Abrams kinda tied the dumb mimicry of the original trilogy too deeply into The Force Awakens. There’s just not enough room to explain a Star Forge in existing scenes, and it feels too complex an idea for the Crawl.

I much prefer Maul continuing his rise to power from Clone Wars. So curious about the 5 or 6 years between Solo and Rebels season 2.

Except, again looking at Star Wars/A New Hope, they mention an Old Republic. What happened to that Old Republic? Why is there a senate to be dissolved if this Republic has been gone for so long? Is the Empire new? How’s it gain so much power so quickly?

Snoke doesn’t undo anything of the original trilogy. Palpatine not being defeated does, but a new threat coming from the Unknown Regions does not.

It’s not any more or less established in universe, your need for every answer coming from a 30 year gap is not the same as a flaw in storytelling.

I agree with all of that, which is why I liked him being killed off to set up Kylo as the big bad. I think that’s the strongest take with the character. Kylo is too manipulative on his own for a non-Force User to have manipulated and controlled him for so long, though I find such a villain interesting.

I just don’t see Snoke’s lack of backstory or the colour of his robes as the issue. He was a carbon copy of the emperor, so we can’t pretend that giving him the same lack of backstory hurts the narrative other than being derivative… but that’s a MUCH larger issue with Abrams’ films, how derivative they are to the original trilogy.

Snoke wasn’t a Sith, and doesn’t call himself one. He’s never labelled, just as Palpatine was never labelled in the original trilogy. He’s more clearly established as powerful in the dark side, he was established to be in charge of a fascist movement. That’s all we really need to know.

It’s made clear that Snoke and the First Order came from the unknown regions, so that explains how our heroes didn’t know about him 30 years prior.

I agree they pulled this villain out of their ass, I just don’t feel they did anything differently compared to the original trilogy and they didn’t need to go into his backstory (especially with how unsatisfactorily they revealed him to be Palpatine’s modified clone puppet?)

You could ask all of those questions about the Empire and the Emperor in the original trilogy, and until the prequels came you didn’t have answers.

Again, he’s not less fitting than Emperor Palpatine. We still don’t understand how Grand Moffat’s Tarkin came into power, or how he outranks Vader.

We don’t need to know any of that information. We have characters asking those same questions you’re asking, Leia was suggested to have created the Resistance because The New Republic didn’t take action or the threat of the First Order seriously. We could also ask why the Galactic Senate allowed the Emperor to disband them, and give power to the regional governors. How did the Hutts gain control of certain systems? Why didn’t the Old Republic take action to prevent the Hutts and other crime syndicates from rising to power?

Fill out all of the Wookieepedia pages! That’s all that matters! 🙄

Those scenes, and the circumstances surrounding them, still are the lynchpin of the character arcs. At the very least, Rey and Kylo need to unite momentarily just to break apart after. The reason she’s there, and what they unite against, can’t easily be cut out.

BleuAsh said:

Having not followed this thread for the last 50 pages or so, I am quite certain that there was already a call to eliminate most of ep8 and change snoke to palpatine in ep7. Work the sequel trilogy into a two movie experience. Is anyone aware of someone working on that?

Seems like an odd call… cutting out all of the character development? Yikes.

The experimental tracking system that was heavily delayed and was a massive system on command ships becomes small enough to fit in a TIE cockpit, and even more efficient to actively track an enemy ship as it teleports from planet to planet to planet… all in less time it took to develop the previously-assumed to be impossible technology it was based on.

Why didn’t the iPhone 12 Pro Max come out in 1995?

The entire point of the way the original trilogy was developed is that we’re dropping into an existing universe. Snoke rising to power in the 30 year gap in time, especially since he came from the Unknown Regions, fits in well enough without having to give him a backstory. There’s nothing about him that doesn’t fit, we just don’t see every detail of how he fits.

Brewzter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:
My problem with the sequence isn’t the speeds, but rather the fact that the TIEs can follow the falcon through lightspeed.

I don’t understand the issue with this, it seems perfectly reasonable to me for technology to develop over the course of the timeline. For example, in the PT era, Anakin could only get a metal hand but by the time of the OT era, Luke could get a real-looking prosthetic. So I don’t see why hyperdrives couldn’t be progressed into being small/cheap enough for a TIE fighter.

So, things progress more in one year than the previous half century? Damn! Those TIE fighters got upgraded more than flagships?

Or… that was all unnecessary? The Emperor wasn’t explained in the original trilogy, I don’t understand the need for Snoke to have been explained. Why would any of the characters in the story care? They understand all that they need to know: he’s an evil threat.

Writing should focus on story and character first, I don’t even know if I’d put filling out Wookieepedia pages as secondary…

Before Abrams retconned himself, he was a dark power that Palpatine felt drawn to… only to be betrayed by his pupil that would become the big bad (Kylo). Abrams should have cared less about Reddit fan theories and complaints and focused on telling a story.

I don’t feel like this is a huge deal, Palpatine was in multiple colours of robes… it’s not like everyone can only wear one outfit for their entire lives, in fact just about every character changes clothes between movies. The personality and portrayal felt consistent to me, even with the twist that he dies in TLJ.

Not sure what the fuss is all about.

Brewzter said:

I mean, I think Poe’s character development in TLJ was more about learning to become a mature leader. Doesn’t mean he can’t still do risky shit on his own

(FWIW I really liked the lightspeed skipping scene)

It felt like a Star Trek scene… maybe that’s just because something similar was done in one of Abrams’ Trek films, and was done again with beaming as recently as the season three premiere of Discovery.

I get that it’s a cool looking scene, and I get that people don’t like the “Holdo Manoeuvre”… but that at least had basis in Star Wars as far back as the original film. The skipping goes against how light speed has otherwise worked, as people are most often sitting around and waiting while in hyperspace.

It’s pretty, but doesn’t really work.

Yeah, I still think most of Chapter 9 has zero bearing. Having a quarter of the season take up half or 2/5 the film seems like a lot. But… again, it’s early. We’ll see as it goes.

You might be able to start from Chapter 11, or whichever episode starts introducing the major recurring characters and villains.