TV's Frink said:
Someone once called me a weak atheist.
Maybe introduce a bit of sport? Cycling or swimming?
j
darth_ender said:
Jaitea, you're usually not so aggressively condescending. Obviously you don't believe what's attributed to God in the Bible. But there are people who do. Congratulations. We have two different opinions. You can neither prove nor disprove either one.
Na, but if you were to look at it from my POV you'd see that there's always an excuse or an exception allowed, when I make an example of it happening, I'm condescending.
J
RicOlie_2 said:
Jaitea said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Jaitea said:
What do you think about the passage in 2 Kings 2:23-24 when God sent two bears to maul to death 42 youngsters because they mocked prophet Elisah for being bald?
Is that part of the Bible that gets skipped nowadays
J
When bad things are attributed to God in the Bible, I think that is because of the way people viewed God at the time. The author of 2 Kings knew about a couple of bears that had mauled some children, and those children had earlier been mocking Elijah, so he attributed the maulings to God taking action against the children.
I don't have my Bible handy and I'm not familiar with that passage, but that's how I understand it. Did Elijah ask God to do something to the children? If so, then I don't know the answer to the question. The first sentence of my answer is still relevant to other situations though.
Oh....yes, so in that everything that happened good or bad in the Bible could be just Man attributing events to God?
This is what I think really happened,...man trying to explain things, beyond his knowledge....there must be an invisible God....like the wind, like gravity
J
This is what I believe is the case in instances where it says "God hardened so-and-so's heart" or "God struck down so-and-so because of this." When God specifically says something in Scripture, either announcing something, telling something to do something, or giving a warning, then I don't think it's just divine attribution being applied to something as a literary device or because the author believed it was an act of God.
What I'm saying applies in specific circumstances/phrases in the Bible.
I suppose thats a good way to deal with it, pick and choose parts that you think God really said and that man made up, which still made it into the Bible.
I think man made up more than you'd like to believe
J
RicOlie_2 said:
Jaitea said:
What do you think about the passage in 2 Kings 2:23-24 when God sent two bears to maul to death 42 youngsters because they mocked prophet Elisah for being bald?
Is that part of the Bible that gets skipped nowadays
J
When bad things are attributed to God in the Bible, I think that is because of the way people viewed God at the time. The author of 2 Kings knew about a couple of bears that had mauled some children, and those children had earlier been mocking Elijah, so he attributed the maulings to God taking action against the children.
I don't have my Bible handy and I'm not familiar with that passage, but that's how I understand it. Did Elijah ask God to do something to the children? If so, then I don't know the answer to the question. The first sentence of my answer is still relevant to other situations though.
Oh....yes, so in that everything that happened good or bad in the Bible could be just Man attributing events to God?
This is what I think really happened,...man trying to explain things, beyond his knowledge....there must be an invisible God....like the wind, like gravity
J
What do you think about the passage in 2 Kings 2:23-24 when God sent two bears to maul to death 42 youngsters because they mocked prophet Elisah for being bald?
Is that part of the Bible that gets skipped nowadays
J
TV's Frink said:
Also, gotta love the "because God said so" defense.
It really is pure comedy gold, can't believe people fall for this sort of thing
J
Because the Lord wants it that way.....read here
"Woman! know your limits!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
J
Reegar said:
And if there is a final judgment, this thread will place many on higher accountability.
Is there a prize for best thread?
J
darth_ender said:
Yeah, Dawkins tore everything down by asserting something without any evidence and attacking a singer who is no scholar on the topic.
I'm curious why Jaitea is sorry for Brandon for two reasons. What are those reasons?
I felt bad for Brandon because he was on the show to promote his new album, I'm sure he probably new that Dawkins was going to be a guest also.... but...they were in Europe so I suppose due to timings, etc, etc, might not have been able to be avoided,......but anyway I feel that he was set up, I'm atheist myself, but I didn't like the ferocity of Dawkins attack....that was the first thing
Second as Ryan said, you could see he was no match for Dawkins who specialises in debates like this and you could see weakness in Brandon's defence.
The realisation dawned on his face
J
Bingowings said:
TV's Frink said:
darth_ender said:
Obama sucks.
Jesus wasn't a very good golfer either.
His hands had a good grip, he got a hole in two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP8sofAN4xc
J
I bought a Passat, a Golf would be too small for my family
J
Leonardo said:
Jaitea said:
If God created us perfect and individual and has a paradise for our soul, why send us to earth in the first place?......why let his creations become tainted by sin on earth?
J
Well, it's about the journey, isn't it? The good witch could have told Dorothy to use the ruby slippers, but she wouldn't have met Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion if she had done so.
Might I ask how do you pronounce your name? Is it Hai-T? Or Hai-Teh-Ah?
Well really its a 'be good and you'll get ice-cream' scenario,...control the masses by guilt
JT
I posted this question in the atheist thread also, If God created us perfect and loves us all and has a paradise awaiting for us, why bother sending us to earth where we could be tainted by sin, why not create us and then be with Him?
J
Now did you use Coleraine Cheddar on Brennans bread?
If you didn't you're doing it wrong, follow my Cheese on toast
J
If God created us perfect and individual and has a paradise for our soul, why send us to earth in the first place?......why let his creations become tainted by sin on earth?
J
timdiggerm said:
The Most Reputable Source said:
The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism.
So there's that.
I know right from wrong
How?
Exactly, hence the Holocaust, but he was not atheist,
In handwritten notes, Hitler also argued for a critical review of the Bible, to discover what sections met an "Aryan" spirit. In these same notes, he took a "biogenetic" history as the main biblical emphasis, arguing that original sin was solely racial degeneration - sin against the blood.
Some Nazis believed Christianity as a whole was too "judaised" to leap the racial hurdle for a religion appropriate to the German "racial soul" and "Germanic morality." Yet Hitler did voice a great deal of support for an "Aryan" Christ, generally a figure who fitted completely with his own agenda: a violent anti-Semite named Jesus.
This can be seen in Hitler's favourite Bible passage, Jesus cleansing the Temple of the money changers (Mark 11, Matthew 21), which he saw as an early model for his own perceived battle against "materialistic" Jews. At one point he reduced the mission of Christ to this: "it is only the means that change over the course of time; what was earlier a whip is today a blackjack."
We should also remember that "Christ" is not Jesus's surname, but a title, and it is still not certain whether Hitler actually believed that Jesus was divine. He referred to Jesus as "Lord and Saviour" but simultaneously argued that the sole reason for the crucifixion was an anti-Semitic struggle "for this world" rather than the next.
That said, Hitler often did argue in favour of the notion of a creator, a deity whose work was nature and natural laws, conflating God and nature to the extent that they became one and the same thing. This again came back to race, and meant that he argued inMein Kampf that one could not avoid the "commands" of "eternal nature" or the "Almighty Creator": "in that I defend myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
For this reason, some recent works have argued Hitler was a Deist. He famously argued in a major speech of 1938 that Nazism was "a volkisch-political doctrine that grew out of exclusively racist insights" and was based on the "sharpest scientific knowledge." Yet in this same speech he stated the Nazi "cult" was solely one which respected nature, and so that which was "divinely ordained."
J
timdiggerm said:
And Jaitea, I'm not going to defend religion being used to justify or itself causing terrible suffering. Of course it has.
Yeah, thats no problem, I just found that your original question - 'can you morally condemn the holocost?',...being atheist, & understanding Hitler's religious beliefs......I know right from wrong
J
timdiggerm said:
The usual idea is that, without some sort of ultimate authority, there's no way to absolutely say that something is bad.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Adolf Hitler
Well I'm very proud of the way my children have turned out
J
.....am I missing something,...is an atheist supposed to support cruelty to other humans & genocide?
J
Life, the Universe and everything
J
It's great isn't it?
J
How about a thread telling everyone how great it is to be an atheist & how the world would be a more peaceful place without religion.
Merry Xmas
J
But running a Church costs money
J
How does your interest in Star Wars tie into your faith, would you believe in extraterrestrial life?
J