JadedSkywalker

I bought the DVD for 30 dollars ages ago the official release. So why do the Laserdiscs go for so much.
They cannot possibly be so rare that they are worth a hundred dollars.
I think the price is being inflated due to Disney owning Lucasfilm. You used to be able to buy the Laserdiscs for 25 dollars like 15 years ago.
I like the films but i don’t a hundred dollars a piece like them.

Phantom Menace a Tie between Anakin’s theme and the Duel of the Fates.
Attack of the Clones Across the Stars
Revenge of the Sith Battle of the Heroes, reprise of Throne room and end titles
Star Wars Chasm Crossfire, and Binary Sunset and Throne Room and End titles.
Empire Han and Leia’s Theme, the battle in the snow, Yoda’s theme, the asteroid field theme.
ROTJ The Return of the Jedi, Luke and Leia, the chorus when Luke and Vader duel.
Force Awakens Jedi Steps and Binary Sunset, Scherzo for X-wings.

Honestly the scores for star wars 1977 and empire strikes back 1980 are two of the best ever recorded for a film. There really are no bad songs or themes. I played the albums back to back so many times on vinyl.

I also probably played my arista records set the anthology a hundred times.

It is far from a perfect film. But i always liked the duel of the fates and how the original edit worked. The original 35mm version. I hate the DVD and Blu ray cuts with added things that slow the pace of the film, and i really despise cgi Yoda in every version since 2011. I also think the original theatrical audio mix of the film was better than every version since. The only thing that came close was the Laserdisc.

Is there a thread somewhere over Matthew Wood’s remixes since 2004. every single one of his remixes not Ben Burtt’s are garbage. I cannot begin to describe just how awful the new sound mix on Star Wars was for the 2020 edit. The fidelity of dialog vs the music was terrible. It sounds muddy and flat.

I will say this was on the digital release in 1080P and not 4K with Atmos. Not sure if there it sounds better.

Did they force heal Luke’s X-wing?
I just had to suspend disbelief and not think about stuff like the ship being under water for 30 years. Or his door being made out of parts of the X-wing. The door Chewie tears off its hinges.
Or Anakin’s Saber magically being made whole again.

I still really enjoyed the movie.

I assume the Lossy 384kbps is the best we will ever get of the original Disney dub. Seeing as how no one has ripped the LPCM off of the laserdisc or the ac3 file which is probably comparable to the quality of the one on the original DVD from Disney.

There were video restorations done on these titles. But for the most part you won’t notice the grain management or DVNR except in a couple of places in the second issue of Nausicaa which could just as easily have been the softness of the print. Totoro on the other hand was very clearly given a Disney style restoration. The entire print looks too clean. And the only title they bothered to remaster is Nausicaa. Every other re-issue from Gkids if from the previous master from Buena Vista.

The difference in the two prints of Nausicaa is clear. The original blu ray came from an IP and the new 4K scan off the original negative. The new remaster has been painstakingly timed to the original cels and looks nothing like the original 35mm print, which the earlier blu ray does.

Why is every release since Lowry so soft looking, and a heavy use of DNR.

You would hope a fresh 4K scan that is as sharp as possibly without artificially sharpening the image or using digital video noise reduction techniques, would be the next step for a 4K UHD release.

But knowing Paramount and Lucasfilm it will be the 4K Imax restoration with the messed up colors. Since that is also the current 4K DCP most likely.

Edit:
Well i watched the blu ray version again as it aired on thanksgiving on Paramount Network. I have no idea how this version ever was passed off as releasable. First you have the problem with Satipos face morphing at the beginning of the film and no consistency in the color timing from reel to reel, sharpness or anything really.
Some scenes are heavily DVNR’ed some are okay, but far too many are overexposed and Indy has sunburn in almost the entire movie with an orange face. The colors are overly muddy looking in places and others too much brightened. I hope this is not the version that makes it to 4K and we get a new scan.

The 1990s reissue print looks closer to the blu ray. If not as orange in the skin tones.

I have seen film cels that look closer to the blu ray than the 35mm scan.

I wish i had them in hand and a scanner but i don’t.

Really makes me wonder what the color looked like in 1981 if there was a non faded Eastman print.

All the film copies i have seen for sale or film cels from the original release are red and pink.

I know this is a very old thread. But i believe Akira Criterion collection was off an IP and the Blu ray and 4K from the negative. One of the Japanese laserdiscs might even have come off of a print.
The 4K issue has been degrained to hell and back. The original blu ray looks better in some respects. Even with the edge enhancement and overscan issue which Funimation corrected on their release.

Its a choice but no way am i paying 90 dollars for a dodgy q-tec upscale.

I have the DVDs of this series somewhere as it is long out of print. I also have a fanedit episode II.V but seeing as how its on a burned disc i bet it no longer reads.
Trying to remember who did the edit was it ADM.
It was also on youtube but i think it since has been deleted.

There are black bars or borders all around the image if you try and watch it on a 16:9 HD set. You have to use the zoom button. Just like if you were hooking up your laserdisc player to your HDTV with rca cables. Not to mention it is the bad remix from 1993 with the smashing glass in the detention block when they shoot out the cameras. And a not very well defined image in postage stamp size at that. With the DVNR motion smearing which was never corrected. I assume that maybe at least the frames are progressive and not interlaced like the laserdisc, but i could be wrong.

All of Lucas films should be made available with original audio and in not messed with editions. That means no DNR and grain scrubbing, no new fake mixes and original audio.

Maybe we can finally get a decent release of Raiders of the Lost Ark as well. I mean we got a very good edition of Willow and Howard the Duck, but not Raiders or Star Wars. That kind of nuts.

I like Lucas enough as a director that i want the original versions of his films with good modern releases in 4K, blu ray and streaming. I don’t understand his reluctance to make them available. The theatrical release and directors cut of American Graffiti that came out after Star Wars, the same for THX 1138 should be available. Not talking about the bad DVD reedits. or the Signature collection laserdisc which also was altered. Star Wars should be available in its 1977 and 1981 edit, and 70mm and 35mm Empire should be made available and 1983 Jedi.

I had watched Return of the Pug. It was a version someone uploaded in MKV.

Years ago i had traded for the DVD of Puggo Grande, downloaded Puggo Strikes Back. But my go to version now is 4K77 and 4K83. I have nothing for Empire beyond my laserdisc, Puggo edition or gout DVD. I don’t have Harmy Despecialized, or The Grindhouse edition. I think i will wait to see 4K80. But the version i sat down and watched after seeing the new 4k edit, was the Puggo Strikes Back edition.
I know people will think it is absurd but my favorite version on Laserdisc was the CAV issue with analog sound from 1985 for Star Wars and Empire. And i always hated that there was no Jedi issued.

I have the US release for the Faces trilogy but it was pressed in Japan and has no rot. Of course it is in CLV format and not CAV.

When i bought my Japan definitive set it had no rot of course i have not checked it since 2006, who knows maybe now it does. The US set had rot from the moment i took it out of a sealed box. Not even sure if its the first issue or corrected copy despite the seller telling me at the time it was the later.

The Japanese set i have is the one with the creative impulse book in Japanese and does not have the making of trilogy discs, like the much more expensive to find second issue does.

I got a copy of the digital audio release of SPFX without obi for free with the purchase of Temple of Doom Evergreen also without OBI but with an insert. And that title goes for way too much outside of good squid’s site.

The Star Wars evergreen was nearly impossible for me to find and i had to buy an auction lot to get it. It has the original Dolby stereo mix in digital PCM. Of course it is pan and scan with subtitles. I also got Raiders of the Lost Ark Evergreen which has the original audio in PCM. And the Star Wars Collectors set with the From Star Wars to Jedi digital audio version.

The cut we have is the only cut. This is the version with the locked picture, foley, adr and score composed to a finished edit. There is no JJ Cut or Lucas cut period.
Though there is a ton of deleted scenes in unfinished shape that are left unreleased. I’m sure fans want a bunch of lowres dailies with greenscreen and no finished audio. I’m being sarcastic of course.
All 9 of the films have had material better left on the cutting room floor.

I still have to pick up Battlefront 2 and Jedi Fallen Order and play them. Been so busy lately i just never got around to it. Don’t play games too much these days, i never even finished the remake of Final Fantasy 7.

Why would they show the 2011 edit and not the 2020 4K version, or better yet a 1997 print or the original?
In the middle of Covid i don’t think i would even go to the theater to see the original Empire Strikes Back on 35mm. It would be risky to the point of insanity to be packed into a theater with so many people. Masks or no masks, distancing or not.

I think it is great news. Lando in Solo if nothing else was well cast, and Glover was great.
I still cannot get over them miscasting Han Solo though, it ruined the film for me. I kept comparing Alden to Harrison as unfair as that is. The end of Solo was very good though and i still think i would watch a sequel if Han became the Han we know.

I hate the New Emperor scene. I hate alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival. I hate the new sound mix, i hate the muddy colors and wrong color for Vader’s lightsaber. Everything since 2004 just gets worse all the time. Even the New Boba Fett voice sounds like they got Temuera on the telephone and recorded his new lines, reading them in a bad way. I know he can do better. That voice over was literally phoned in.

With 4K80 i hope things will finally be set right.

It makes sense even if it was lazy. I assume that was what all the discussions JJ had with George Lucas and midichlorians was about. A way to tip the hat to Revenge of the Sith as a reason to why he survived. When it really was them ripping off Dark Empire.

Despite hating the term High Republic i much prefer old republic. They should be making these as films.

I mean isn’t that kind of what the game of thrones guys were going to do before they quit their trilogy.
Iain McCaig and Doug Chiang should be working on new films, way too talented to be storyboarding or doing concept arts for novels and comic books.

I think the prequels are a good story poorly executed. And the sequels are a bad story produced excellently in terms of cinematography and visuals. Well not so much bad as rehash and derivative. Only made to make money. When there is no story after Return of the Jedi. They could have had Luke do something interesting or really have gone far out. instead they sort of remade the originals with a new cast and the old cast as poorly managed cameos. All the characters who could have been given a good arc whether Kylo, Rey or Finn, or even Poe were sacrificed so they could shove 9 years of film into a 5 or 6 year window. There was no outline, JJ and Rian didn’t work together on a single cohesive vision at all.

I also think both had great actors who were not used to their full potential.
What do i know though i enjoyed all the films and had a good time watching them except for the Last Jedi. Which i praise for Mark Hamill’s acting, the score and cinematography. Not for the pacing, editing or direction.
With a couple changes the film would be pretty darn good though. I never objected to a dark turn for Luke. It is just poorly built up as a story and the resolution is nonexistent. And never mind wasting 40 minutes on some Casino Planet sidequest. Put Luke on Crait to physically confront Kylo Ren and the first order and cut the casino thing and it is an infinitely better film.

How good is the quality of the Official DVD’s? I watched the marathon on BBC America which was just standard def video in an HD container. And the first 3 or so seasons looked worse than my old tapes which i no longer have. When i watch TOS or TNG i only ever watch the version restored from film which was scanned in 2K and is in 1080P on home video.

I want to watch DS9 and Voyager in real HD. CBS has no intention of doing so. I’ve seen some nice upscale samples but they always look digital and don’t look like film. It is sad most of Star Trek is barely even DVD quality. Voyager and DS9 are well below even DVD standards. I doubt there is even 480P in those old broadcast tapes. Probably at best 240 lines of resolution. Fit for VHS only.

There was a UK disc from 1994. It does not show up for sale that often. It had production stills. There is no info on LDDB about an isolated score. But there is information that there is an error in the soundtrack.
It was from Encore Entertainment and is of course in Pal format.
It was also in CAV format and digital sound with the mono soundtrack.