ImperialFighter

doubleofive said:

No, nitpicky is pointing out lights in matte paintings that aren't consistant, and panel colors on the Falcon. Just teasing, ImperialFighter! :-P

ImperialFighter said:

Do you think you are able to add a touch of 'brick red' colour to some of the Millennium Falcon's relevant 'individual' panels? I mean on certain 'close-up' miniature shots where these panels are too darkened to 'black or dark grey' sometimes.

Shots such as the top and underneath of the Falcon, as it 'swerves' in 'close-up' during the asteroids from right of the frame to the left (A similar move by the Falcon is seen when it is shown going in the other direction, as Lando flies it for the first time alongside other rebel fleet spaceships, where it's 'rusty' red panel colouration is nicely obvious and far better-looking, although I realise the 'Empire' SE's overall colour is dark during the asteroids now)....and shots like when it turns to attack' the stardestroyer in 'close-up' to us....and during the miniature 'close-ups' where it travels with the rebel fleet at the end.

Octorox said:

On the issue of Boba's voice, I prefer Boba's new voice only because the old voice makes him sound like a scowling old man. It's only been 20-30 years or so since he was a young kid in Episode II. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

ImperialFighter said:

Being one of the more poorly-realised 'design continuity' errors, this is one I'd REALLY like to see improved on, if possible - The moving 'practical effect' showing the top of the AT-AT's leg, is totally the wrong shape....

In the 'close-up' shot of the AT-AT's underneath, as Luke's cable 'rappel-attachment' sticks on after he shoots it upwards....and the 'close-up' shot where he is dangling from it using his Lightsaber....the 'rounded' end of the moving 'leg joint' is a far different shape to the better actual miniature design of that part. The 'rounded' bit of this prop, nearest to Luke as he kicks off it, should really have been more of a raised, 'hollowed-out' circular shape with the raised protuberance in the centre of it, with what looks like some holes (?) around that, inside the 'hollow' too. Can this in any way be improved to match the pieces seen in the colourful explosion that follows underneath the model?

ImperialFighter said:

Today's thoughts....



I forgot that there is also an earlier model shot of the Falcon inside the asteroid slug, just after Vader says "I want that ship, not excuses" and his chamber closes.... This is a shot showing it's lit-up underside from a low angle. This time the two lights at the front of it are actually white light (like when it first flies down through asteroid cave) rather than red light.

There are inconsistencies throughout the original trilogy concerning these, but I wonder if it is possible to either have these red too, or perhaps CHANGING from white to red (or vice versa) during this brief shot, which would explain it a bit, and ties in with the next interior shot where Han is doing something and 'shutting things down'?

adywan said:

Anyway, does anyone fancy seeing the first 2 "finished" minutes (minus the crawl) of ESB:R, complete with new FX?

ImperialFighter said:

Going back to perhaps adding a red 'light' dot to the end 'close-ups' of the Millennium Falcon model at the end- It might look really good to also add the two red 'lights' to the front ends to, to also match the look of the Falcon as seen on the platform of the 'floating city', and when it blasts off from there. I think these would really help to make these shots look even better, and add to a sense of realism if they tie together more with the earlier platform shots.

adywan said:

I'm just going to answer a few of the suggestions at the moment because there have been so many.

Well i was just looking at that shot and i would be able to put a laser blast in if he was actually holding his gun at that point. The shot they have Han has actually got some sort of tool and is holding it with both hands. They must have taken it from a cut shot of Han repairing the outside of the Falcon.

ANSWER - Firstly, thanks for taking the time to answer ANY questions/suggestions Ady!
Although this shot is very brief and indistinct, when watching the SE release on my television screen, I can see what looks likes Han's right hand finger on the trigger of what he's holding, better than is obvious in the photo above. It's almost as if the silver barrel is incomplete, but is so brief that it is not too much of a problem. I didn't mean this shot though, as there is no laserbolt sound effect at that point. What I meant was the next shot where the Mynock falls off the Falcon amid 'sparks'. Is it possible to insert a laserbolt immediately as we cut to this shot, to coincide with the laserbolt sound effect that is clearly heard at this point? This would be a welcome addition I feel.

As has been said, during the sabre duel Luke isn't in the pit as it starts its cycle so the steam would be less as there is nothing in there to freeze so i won't be changing this
ANSWER - Well, you can't win 'em all! I do however certainly see the logic in your and Ziz's explanation of this.

I'll see what i can do
ANSWER - Great, as this was always one of my favourite FX shots from the movie!

Already been taken care of
ANSWER - Impressive....most impressive....(in best deep voice)

His sabre is already on the gantry in the birds eye shot so no fix needed for this

ANSWER - No doubleofive, it seems you're not crazy, and that it IS there! Hands up all those in the world that didn't notice it there before.... (mine certainly is!) Throughout numerous viewings on various screens and displays in the past, I just didn't realise that was meant to be it, lol. Having checked both GOUT and SE releases, I find it is still not obvious as the Lightsaber due to it's position and shadowing. I always thought that particular object was an item with a 'hose'/'tubing' attachment lying there with the other debris, rather than the hilt lying ON TOP of 'hose'/tubing'....and obviously could have done with your yellow arrow in the past!

Ady, I am using a very nicely set up television screen with excellent colour, brightness and contrast levels adjusted, and the whole gantry walkway on the SE release is coloured/shadowed in such a way where the shadowed Lightsaber seems to merge into it too much to be obvious. It does seem more noticeable in your vibrantly-coloured shot above though, especially with that arrow! Even though this seems to be it, the shot is so brief that your eye is distracted by either the struggling Luke in the centre, or the flashing gantry light on the left. If you are happy with the current solution of it lying on the walkway in this 'birds-eye' shot alone, I would ask you to consider moving it over a bit nearer where Luke is clinging on, which is the area viewers focus on, so that it's more easily seen as a stand-alone item. If you choose to leave it where it is, then I would ask that you perhaps 'bring it out' a bit from the shadowing and 'hose'/tubing' beside it. And to be really pedantic, the end of the hilt seems to cut off slightly at a strip edge on the floor of the walkway, rather than overlap it slightly to be nearer the actual edge of the walkway where Luke's fingertips are clinging on. The actual proportions of the edge of the gantry can more clearly be seen in the following shot's 'close-up' of the actual set that Luke scrambles back onto, which of course due to the angle of the shot, hides the fact that the Lightsaber is on it, even if you do put it nearer him in the 'birds-eye' shot.

I'd still love to see an added 'falling' Lightsaber deactivating near Luke as he goes backwards through the window before this though, so that it's easily identifiable amongst the debris during that brief shot....because it could be a very neat-looking, subtle addition to the proceedings, and help to more easily identify that it would be deactivated on the walkway seen in the 'birds-eye' shot.

(oh and the pics posted are just for reference. no colour correction has been done on these. i just brightened them so you can see them better)

doubleofive said:



If its not there then Ady can just put it there. I've always been OK with assuming it was there, so if it actually is, all the better!