ImperialFighter

Just to add to the fun, I’m gonna speculate that it’s more likely that we’ll get an announcement of upcoming 3D releases of the SE versions of the Original Trilogy, rather than high quality versions of the actual original versions.

Alternatively, 'ol George appears to a mixture of rapturous applause and boos, and grudgingly announces a limited re-release on the big screen of the actual original versions…before walking off smugly with the knowledge that they STILL won’t be getting releaed on a high quality disc format despite that…

Another outstanding effort! The final shot should look terrific.

oojason said:

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story “Darth Vader” Featurette [HD]:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ZHjiyUoWY

Ok, at this point I’m a little nervous.

Ever since the movie opened, I’ve noticed various (badly filmed) clips of the Darth Vader end scene over on YouTube. The quality of them differed greatly from each other of course, but they generally seemed to show a certain consistency where the colouration of the scene was concerned, and Darth’s lightsaber looked great. However, some recently uploaded versions (in better quality) by these naughty folk seem to show quite a difference in the colour grading to the earlier clips on there…

So at this particular stage, I’m hoping the look of Darth’s red lightsaber hasn’t been effed-up yet again for the official home release…especially in that final shot of him watching the Tantive IV escape.

I’m cautiously waiting to see how this scene now looks in it’s final HD release, as I don’t trust any Blu-ray release to get things looking right these days.

(Note - the footage colouration in the video above looks different to some of the earlier YouTube uploads, and I’m not going to just assume that it shows the exact final grading - I just hope Vader’s lightsaber ends up more RED than pink throughout, when it’s released)

Hal 9000 said:

Fun fact: I’d been drinking when I recorded Episode III’s commentary track, and have heard that same critique of it from a few people.

This just became be a future must-listen for me sometime, as there’s plenty of ROTS moments to drunkenly complain about as far as I’m concerned. 😉

SilverWook said:

Do Wookiees seek revenge? (Excepting the Wooks gone bad in the EU past and present.) That’s a good question. Chewie would look nasty just killing Kylo in cold blood. I can’t see him doing it unless Kylo is about to kill someone, and it’s the only way to save them.

It’s equally possible Kylo turns away from the dark side long enough to do something good, but dies in the process. Like Grandfather, like Grandson. Think about it, won’t you? 😉

I have thought about it Silverwook, and I’ve no doubt Kylo’s character WILL end up being given the kind of conclusion you describe…it’s just I’d rather he didn’t get the same kind of end as Vader did, as I’ve had my fill of this whole ‘mirroring’ thing, and would prefer something more unexpected. 😉

I’d happily settle for Chewie taking out Kylo to save someone however, and another way would be for him to be piloting the Falcon when he does - I can just hear him ‘laughing it up’ afterwards…

Lord Haseo said:

I only want him to die if Chewie gets to kill him.

Damn, now I’m torn between this or Kylo getting a good lightsaber-skewering from someone.

Seeing Chewie throttling him…or full-on limb-ripping him…or getting him with a well-aimed headshot using his bowcaster…would make for an equally satisfying end to him for me too! 😉

(but sadly, I fear CarboniteSolo is right in his assessment)

DominicCobb said:

I don’t know. The redemption feels natural for such a character. Personally, I feel like Kylo Ren is potentially more tragic a figure than Vader (although this gets into a hairy argument about PT portrayal vs. OT portrayal). It’s hard to really say right now, still being quite a bit in the dark in regards to his turn and obviously not knowing where he’ll go from here in TLJ, but it seems kind of rough to just say that he doesn’t deserve redemption just because he killed a character we all love. Obviously people are going to complain rehash if he’s redeemed but that’s a pretty silly and arbitrary way of dismissing a potentially fitting end to his storyline.

Anyway, I have to imagine and hope Han’s reaching out had some impact.

Fair enough DC, but the main reason I want to see Kylo have a different resolution to the one his ‘grandfather’ had in ROTJ…is not just due to the fact that he killed off Han, but mainly because I’d rather he continues to be totally unrepentant about his dark side path, regardless of anyone’s efforts.

While I’d be more likely to bet that he WILL be shown to ‘come good’ by the end of this saga, I’d far prefer to see his storyline defy convention, and end with his character’s ‘retribution’ rather than his ‘redemption’ this time around.

And as far as his dad’s reaching out being able to influence him somewhat, that didn’t work out too well…

…so my push for EPISODE IX: STAR WARS RETRIBUTION starts here! 😉

At this stage of THE LAST JEDI speculation, I’ve decided that I really don’t want to see this ‘Sequel Trilogy’ end with the ‘redemption’ of it’s current wanabe villain Kylo Ren whatsover…

I also don’t want any kind of ‘mirroring’/‘rhyming repeat’ of events from ROTJ for instance, where Kylo takes down Snoke eventually for the sake of a family member. Nope, rather than things resolving with some kind of ‘turnaround’ to the ‘light side’ for Kylo, I truly hope that we end up seeing the little whelp get his due comeuppance for killing off his ol’ dad Han…and that he gets saber-skewered good and proper from Rey by this new trilogy’s end instead (ESPECIALLY if she turns out to be related to him in some way!)

I’d far rather a satisfyingly ‘vengeful’ end dished out to the whiny git, who determinedly sticks to the path of the dark side…rather than see ANY sort of ‘reconciliation’ for his character.

That’s the kind of darker turn I’d like to see the final instalment given eventually, but I somehow doubt Disney will accomodate me.

I can but hope… 😉

nickyd47 said:

As long as the picture quality looks better and the color timing is more accurate, that’d be something to me

It would be a very small crumb of comfort indeed…but yeah, even if the 4k release merely turns out to be the 2011 Special Edition, if new viewers have to settle for GL’s current ‘definitive’ version to watch, then I’d rather it’s colour-timing was improved for them overall.

I know I’m a picky bugger when it comes to my Star Wars tastes, but right from the opening scenes of the ‘A New Hope’ Special Edition (both 2011 and 2004 versions), I immediately knew something seemed very wrong to me…and it was to do with the LACK of ‘laserbolt’ colour during the very first shot as the Tantive IV exchanges fire with the Stardestroyer - it’s currently a poor, wishy washy effort compared to the VIBRANT red and green opening exchange I’d always been used to in previous releases.

It might be a trivial thing to some, but it’s a detail that has always marred that vital opening shot for me where the so-called ‘Special Edition’ is concerned. Here’s a comparison to see what I mean -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkT8Hgo9oVs

…Not that I will ever be watching the official ‘Special Edition’ again, no matter HOW MUCH the picture is upgraded…as adywan (like Harmy) has thankfully brought the opening exchange back to a superior vibrancy for me, where the red lasers are actually RED, and the green lasers are actually GREEN! 😃 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn-Ox1XawI

Alderaan said:

Well I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that any new release of the special edition is unwelcome at this point, so long as the OOT is not available commercially and in high quality.

Well I can’t speak for others, but any continued re-release of the ‘Special Editions’ which helps to perpetuate them as being the ‘de facto’ versions over the originals, certainly grinds MY gears!

Dleona03 said:

I have always believed the Special Editions should have been a bonus feature, nice to watch a few times here and there, but the original films should be the ones that have gotten the HD treatment they deserve.

^ THIS, dammit!!

Man, I’m still trying to get my head around the fact that ‘Cher’ tweeted about watching her ‘bonus’ GOUT disc on her home theatre… 😉

NFBisms said:

So I’ve decided. xP

This is the “New Canon Cut”, and not a super radical edit of RotS. I’ve decided to adhere to my original conservatism in regards to editing the movie. I’m making it fit cohesively in the post-Disney consistent canon, but not trying to change what “happened.” (Especially since the Vader scene is flashed back to in the Marvel Darth Vader comics) It’s a reinterpretation of the same events, as they were referenced in the OT/Rebels/comics, and was the trajectory foreshadowed in TCW. The main differences were always just going to be in how Anakin is portrayed, toning down the cringe/cheesiness, and bearing down on a specific interpretation of the character relationships. So the LoE/Russian dub scream is still in. As soon as I fell into that rabbit hole, I lost sight of what I was originally going for. This is for Clone Wars/canon fans who are tired of suspending their disbelief about the connectivity of all the media.

While I prefer a more severe re-edit of the Vader/Emperor scene myself, I’m glad you’ve decided to stick to your own original intention for it in the end - I can see now how it’s FULLER inclusion better matches your original aim overall, and I’m sure that your version will appeal to quite a few ‘Clone Wars/canon fans’, as you say.

I’m mostly interested in seeing how your amended portrayal of Anakin’s character comes across in this, and will certainly look forward to checking it out eventually.

Hal 9000 said:

I agree with y’all, so the rathtar sequence will be untouched for this project.

Of course, if you ever choose to do ‘a FULLY restructured’ edit of TFA too…then I would expect to see the ‘rathtar’ sequence suitably amended for that version! 😉

Apart from the way Finn is shown to be dragged along, my other biggest bugbear with the ‘rathtar’ sequence is the way the CGI’d tentacles continue to flail about in an over-the-top way after being cut off - the way they exessively squirm about is comically bizarre, and so those 2 issues are definately OUT in my own ideal cutlist. 😃

But as far as re-editing moments like this over-and-above the intended changes needed to make the ‘Starkiller’ weapon fire later in the movie goes…I kinda veer towards the intention of ONLY altering the footage that’s necessary for that single ‘gentle restructure’ goal, and keeping the rest of the movie’s footage otherwise intact for this particular edit - it’s the thing that will distinguish this version from other heavier edits involving the same ‘Starkiller’ restructuring, but I have no strong preference either way Hal.

As I always recommend, include or exclude whatever makes YOU happiest.

NFBisms said:

There’s much conflict within me. I might need to turn to the dark side.

…and if you really can’t decide, you could always toss a ‘chance cube’… 😉

NFBisms said:

I’m not 100% onboard with the idea ofc, I still want to use Hal’s version, especially for the general seamlessness of it, but the current test iteration uses ForceGhostRecon’s Rebels dialogue bit. (Thank you so much btw!) I want to see what most people think is the best way to do that scene, and hopefully I can finalize it.

NFBisms, this sounds like you are still quite torn about losing the ‘Vader breaking free/anguished yell’ portion of that scene.

While I was one of those who suggested you remove that bit of footage altogether…I can only equally urge you to include it, if you REALLY prefer to - there’s so many moments throughout this movie that a lot of us differ on, it’s not as if everyone is going to agree with every change you make anyway. So considering the effort that goes into these things, I strongly recommend that you include whatever makes you yourself happiest to watch, first and foremost.

TV’s Frink said:

You’re a few pages behind. :p

Dammit, you quoted my post just before I amended it. 😃

Yeah, I somehow got mixed up with the page numbers of this thread, and missed the last heap of comments, lol!

Comment removed, as I only just noticed that I’d repeated Bill Hunt’s latest info. which has already been mentioned.

NFBisms said:

This is a big one, thanks to ImperialFighter for the suggestion in a private topic, but I think I’m doing away with the Darth Vader scream of anguish, improved LoE version or not. The Vader awakens sequence is very different now, and I used an idea I got from a re-edit of the scene on Vimeo that I saw a few months ago but can’t seem to find anymore. But basically, it goes:

P: Anakin. Can you hear me?

DV: … Anakin Skywalker was weak… I destroyed him.

Using Star Wars Rebels audio. I just think it goes by too fast and is abrupt, so I’d really like to hear if people want it in, or suggestions and ideas on how to improve it.

Just to clarify for everyone following this thread, the thing I suggested was the complete removal of the awkward ‘breaking free/Emperor grinning/Vader scream’ footage at the end of the overall Vader/Emperor scene…no matter what! 😃

(and just for fun, I threw in a couple of alternative ideas of how I’d ideally do that)

I didn’t suggest the replacement dialogue as originally conceived by ForceGhostRecon however, but am certainly pleased to hear that the awkward Vader footage seems to be ruled out now.

@ NFBisms - Although I thought it sounded pretty good in FGR’s Vimeo clip, I’m not sure if you’re definately gonna keep that replacement dialogue or not - so I’ve PM’d you another alternative solution to consider IF you decide you don’t wish the characters to repeat the same lines after all.

(by the way, I always loved that ‘Final Dual’ clip by Bob Garcia which Mithrandir posted - not just for it’s terrific ‘red on blue’ saber action, but also for the fact that Anakin doesn’t petulantly yell “I HATE YOU!” at Obi-wan - due to that alone, I agree that it’s one of the better edited resolutions to that duel that I’ve seen)

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

ImperialFighter said:

So yeah, the fact that George DIDN’T end up doing a SEQUEL trilogy where Carrie and the gang could have featured throughout at their marvellous best (even if Harrison STILL demanded to die at some point!), is one of his worst decisions as far as I’m concerned.

you’re operating under the most likely false assumption that those movies would have been good.

Well, I’m certainly operating under the assumption that even if they had turned out as awful as his prequels did, then at least we might have had the core cast involved in their prime.

Bah, there’s nothing else for it…it’s time questions were raised in the ‘house’ about this! 😉

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open

TV’s Frink said:

Tempted to quote the full post to say “oops.”

At least you’ve only thought about it.

Some just seem to repost a massive post regardless of what they want to say about it! 😉

I’ve a bit of time available now, so I’d like to go into a couple of things thrown up recently.

Firstly, things are looking great on the WAMPA front adywan! 😃

After your ‘amish’-looking shot a couple of pages back, I was really looking forward to the next preview as you get ever-closer to it’s final, finished form with darkened bags under it’s eyes, gnarly nose, and ice-covered fur…in a way that’s somewhat similar to the original puppet -

(Note: that top shot above seems to be reversed the wrong way round, however)

So thanks for your latest sneak peak at your progress.

However, I have a couple of queries I’d like to ask at this point -

1. Are you going for the same look, in the sense that the Wampa puppet’s horns are heavily covered by it’s hair fur? (as seen in this shot above)

2. Are you going to make one of it’s horns slightly BROKEN OFF at the end, just like it was on the puppet too? (we can just see it sticking out in the shot above, and personally I liked that little detail…and the makers had a broken horn on Luke’s TaunTaun too, which I liked also)

…and this is just a little observation, and not at all a biggie…but as the original puppet rises up initially (as seen in this shot above), it looks like it has no arms attached to it’s shoulders I reckon! However, when looking at the original filming puppet in the shot below, it does indeed look as if it has no arms attached -

…as I say, this is no biggie, and the initial ‘shoulders’ of the wampa are only seen momentarily onscreen at the start of the second shot of it roaring (as seen at 04:03 secs near the end of this video clip) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGsAxG0r9wQ

However, I just wanted to mention that because of how it looks in that shot…that I currently like to look on this mass of fur as being somewhat like a big furry ‘mane’ which kinda overlaps it’s arms which are somewhere below…in a somewhat similar fashion to the ‘mane’ seen on this pic of X-men’s ‘Sabretooth’ character. 😃 -

Lastly, whether you wish to show a bit more of your horns compared to the original puppet’s appearance, or not…if you DO end up going for something more like the look of this fella below, then it’s certainly still a HUGE step up from the ‘lunging’ wampa shot you’re intending to replace! -

Well that’s it on the ‘wampa’ front from me, but I’ll try and get a chance to comment on a couple of other little issues raised recently, over the next couple of days.

(and please, if anyone wishes to respond to ANY of this with a one line comment…please do so WITHOUT ‘quoting’ the whole of this post as well, thanks!) 😉

Another ‘bash George’ opportunity. Okay, I’ll bite. 😉

As some have said, the fact that GL has managed to make his flawed SE versions the effective ‘default’ versions of the Original Trilogy for the masses, is just the pits.

However, one of my biggest bugbears against him is his decision to do a woeful PREQUEL storyline back in 1999…instead of doing a SEQUEL trilogy first…with a much older Luke, Han, and Leia…but who all still looked in prime condition back in that year, so long after ROTJ was done with! - his damned ‘tragic fall of Anakin’ storyline could have waited, and been done anytime after that.

I’ve seen footage of Carrie being interviewed back in 1999, and she was looking really fabulous. I’ve always wished that George had continued his ‘Luke Skywalker’ storyline in some way instead of the ‘prequels’ at that point…and retrospectively, wish that even more so now, considering that Carrie was sadly unable to reach the last of the current GL-free ‘sequel’ trilogy…

To be honest, I’d find it a jarring leap to go directly from watching ROTJ (Episode 6) to then watching TFA (Episode 7) afterwards, if I was doing the chapter ‘viewing order’ - and this is due to the great leap in age difference of the characters involved at this point. But luckily for me, I’m content to watch heavily-edited versions of the Prequel Trilogy as a ‘flashback storyline’ placed inbetween the Original Trilogy and Sequel Trilogy instalments instead…as a way to ease into the ‘age’ transition much better for myself. 😃

So yeah, the fact that George DIDN’T end up doing a SEQUEL trilogy where Carrie and the gang could have featured throughout at their marvellous best (even if Harrison STILL demanded to die at some point!), is one of his worst decisions as far as I’m concerned.

I’ve just read through all this recently NFBisms, and just wanted to say that I like a LOT of your ideas here. While there’s nothing we can do about the casting of Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen in the prequels, there’s certainly ways to make them appear much more bearable in these movies.

My own ideal cutlists have a LOT of their dialogue removed altogether from TPM and AOTC, and I find that helps improve their ‘likeability’ much, much better! 😃

But for Anakin’s ROTS dialogue, I reckon you’ve hit on a good, thoughtful compromise for selling GL’s intended ‘tragic’ fall of Anakin storyline in a better way than he ended up doing.

Look forward to seeing how your version hangs together overall, and I’ve sent you a PM about one of your cutlist intentions.

(by the way, I liked your new music for that Anakin/Obi-wan exchange very much…and on the strength of your various ideas here, I hope you’ll consider doing edits of TPM and AOTC one day too!)

TV’s Frink said:

Canon.

All of a sudden there’s a few issues been thrown up that I want to chip in to. But until I find time, this gif will have to do.