I really do not want to see another Youjinbou or Seven Samurai remake.
No problem. If it turns out to be that, you can just avoid your local multiplex.
Can you outline what kinda storyline you would want to see?
This had better be a Yojimbo-Seven Samurai/A Fistful of Dollars-Magnificent Seven mashup where Kenobi plays Tatooine’s criminal elements off of each other in order to protect some innocent moisture farmers.
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Make it a full spaghetti western samurai movie with Kenobi as a lost warrior saving people from a tyrant.
Pleased to hear that Ewan may get another crack at the character, and it might be kinda neat to see that kind of storyline play out in a ‘Star Warsy’ setting.
It got me thinking about some of the stuff referenced in ANH that the makers could end up including in this prequel movie, if it’s solely set on Tattooine -
TUSKEN RAIDERS! - Older Ben is aware of the Sand People’s ways - so some of them might feature giving him a hard time in some way as he establishes his homestead…before he ends up giving them a lesson in neighbourly manners.
KRAYT DRAGON! - Older Ben knows how to mimic one, so it (or they?) might feature in some way too. (plenty of scope for the makers to include some sort of CGI’d monster shenanigans, but will they remix it again? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSDgBbX1XTY)
JAWAS! - I’ll be surprised if we don’t see at least one of the little rascals in this.
MOS EISLEY! - Older Ben is aware it’s a hive of scum and villainy - so it might feature as a setting for various hi-jinks he’s previously been involved in there (this could easily be a backdrop for him sorting out a local scumbag or two who are harassing the lives of some locals he defends - the villains of the peace being some of Jabba’s associates perhaps?)
THE LOCAL CRIMELORD, JABBA HIMSELF! - Nothing to stop the makers actually including the big guy somewhere in this, if the storyline DOES involve Kenobi tackling some of his associates along the way. (the fact that the cocky pilot he commissioned to fly him and Luke to safety at a future date ALSO turned out to have had dealings with Jabba too, is merely a ‘coincidence’ that is never mentioned onscreen in ANH. Never tell me the odds!) However, although we’ve previously focused on Jabba in this saga, the makers could involve a DIFFERENT ‘Hutt’ as a protagonist in this I guess.
THE CANTINA! - Older Ben seems to know his way around the place, and certainly seemed comfortable enough at the club bar featured in the (shudder) AOTC prequel. So the makers could easily have Kenobi frequenting the same one with a whole new slew of CGI’d ne’er-do-wells amongst the regulars. (just hope whatever band is booked sounds good…)
ANAKIN’S LIGHTSABER! - If we see Kenobi in his abode during this at some point, then a wistful look at it is obligotary before he stashes it back in his trunk.
QUI-GON’S ‘FORCE GHOST’! - a possible brief appearance of Liam Neeson might be in order to show he carried out Yoda’s wishes for his continued training. (or at least, a ‘voiceover’)
TATTOOINE’S TWIN SUNS! - Surely we’re bound to get a decent sunset or sunrise shot featuring them during this, no matter what.
Finally, Kenobi’s gotta get around the area somehow. While I’d be happy to have him be seen wandering on foot into whatever adventure he finds himself in, we might see the return of an EOPIE steed - let’s just hope it’s not as ill-mannered as the one seen at the PHANTOM MENACE pod race! On the other hand he may end up with a SPEEDER of some sort in this…and it just ended up as an offscreen rusting pile of junk hidden behind his abode, by the time Luke turned up in his.
Time will tell, but there’s certainly scope for quite a few…er…‘callbacks’ in this.
This has probably been asked before, but why was Ponda Baba’s arm replaced with Evazan’s?
Indeed it has AS, and it’s because Obi-Wan actually cuts Evazan’s arm off due to him pulling out a blaster in the original footage.
(having said that, since the footage shows Obi-Wan swiping his lightsaber TWICE during that scene, I guess Ponda Baba’s arm also ended up on the cantina floor somewhere)
Due to various unavoidable reasons adywan, I STILL haven’t been able to watch this yet since it’s release, dammit! 😦
My ESB:R download is locked and ready to go…but due to work and family matters, it will need to wait yet ANOTHER bleedin’ day until I can get peace to transport myself to a galaxy far, far away for a couple of hours once again…
I can’t wait to see the various additions that were missing from the still-in-progress ‘workprint’ you sent me years ago, and I’ll get back with some thoughts when I’ve finally seen it all. I’ve not yet read any of the comments here since I last posted a couple of days ago, but will eventually catch up on all those too.
I’m sure that your efforts will have amazed a lot of fans since it’s release…but it won’t be until the extensive ‘visual comparison guide’ is eventually revealed that everyone will be able to witness the true firepower of this fully armed and operational fan edit!
I am so looking forward to seeing how it all came together finally.
(However I’m peeved that with one thing and another, that I was never able to get certain ‘Dagobah’ suggestions to you that I had extensively ‘saved to draft’ before the OT site changes a good while back. All my detailed descriptions and many screenshots (66 in total!) were completely lost just before I got a chance to post them all here, if you recall. It was little things that hadn’t been brought up by anyone before, but I’ve got my fingers crossed that you will have picked up on a paricular inconsistency that bugged me most to do with all that, as I know it would have been a very easy fix for your capabilities. Either way, I really hope that Jay can re-instate the very helpful ‘save to draft’ feature at some point, to make things much easier for some of the eventual ROTJ:R suggestions that are gonna come your way…) 😃
Good Lord…just as I was about to leave, MAGIC is announced!
Glad I caught that. WELL DONE on all your hard work on this adywan (and to all the others who put their time and effort into this too). I’ve been lucky enough to see more than most around here, but I know that everyone who loves this movie is gonna get a helluva kick out of seeing the sheer amount of clever enhancements throughout.
It’s hard to believe you finally achieved this, and that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK REVISITED is complete…but I can’t wait for everyone to see what you’ve come up with. 😃
AuggieBenDoggie said:
I’m leaning towards complete saga trailer first, then ESB:R release soon after. I guess time will tell.
I’m leaning towards this prediction too…with ESB:R’s proposed release date included in the trailer. Either way, my anticipation is rising. 😃
Off to get on with my day, and look forward to finding out how things end up as the countdown continues…
(although there’s a part of me that would lol loudly if we end up with the numeral V again to turn this into a ‘continuous loop’)
Ah, now I see what the cryptic numerals are saying -
FIRSTLY we’re getting ESB:R one day…then next up it’s STAR WARS REVISITED in HD…and after that’s released, adywan has then decided to concentrate on Ep. III - REVENGE OF THE SITH REVISITED…
…so I can get to bed now, knowing that he’ll probably soon indicate that he’s then intending to work on Ep. II - ATTACK OF THE CLONES REVISITED after that…and will culminate his prequel efforts with Ep. I - THE PHANTOM MENACE REVISITED…before ending his glorious saga off with Ep. VI - RETURN OF THE JEDI REVISITED!
…BUT WAIT…what if it’s actually a countdown to something else that’s imminent after all? How the hell am I expected to get any sleep tonight now, dammit?
Victory?..
I loved the ‘subtitle commentary’ on Star Wars which showed what changes had been made. Fingers crossed this feature will be carried over.
Just keep in mind that some ESB:R shots have SO MANY elements altered, the various individual changes are likely to be more comprehensively covered by adywan’s/doubleofive’s eventual ‘shot comparisons’ guide. Their ‘A NEW HOPE REVISITED VISUAL COMPARISON’ shot guide is extensive, and this one is bound to be equally epic!
Now THAT’S a Wampa!
Looks terrific adywan. Great stuff.
Thanks for that update adywan. Glad to hear that all is not yet lost on the new Wampa footage front, and will remain cautiously hopeful that things can pan out for the ‘cave’ shot replacements eventually.
From what we’ve seen, your version definately makes for a good match with the ‘roaring’ puppet design overall - and it’s good to know that one of it’s horn tips will be broken off too. The nose and visible face-parts of the ‘roaring’ puppet Wampa seem to have a roughened, yellowish finish with darkened bags under the eyes, and a touch of that would help to give your version a very close resemblance indeed, if your tests work out okay.
I’m also really pleased to see that you’re intending to include the additional shot of the Wampa’s arm (when Luke cuts himself down), as that was an SE addition I especially liked - and I’m hopeful that you were able to give it’s black ‘claw pads’ a more fleshy colouration in the end, like the original prop claw had.
Good luck, and kudos to your wife for her efforts and continued tolerations! 😃
Things are progressing very nicely now. Wampa body is completed and all that is left to do for the costume is the adding the detailing, like dirtying and adding the ice etc.
I’ve been meaning to say how terrific this was looking since you posted it a while back, adywan!
Most of us are aware of the huge amount of work you’ve already had to put into this Wampa, and there’s no doubt that your final touches to it will make it even more impressive…so I’m sorry to read that it now seems to be giving you problems.
As far as I know, your intention was to re-film the Wampa’s first ‘roaring’ appearances along with it’s later ‘cave lunge’, so that everything looked consistent. And perhaps you even had a quite different-looking ‘cave lunge’ movement in mind compared to the original one, too?
However, if there’s really no way to do the exact replacement shots you wished to do, then perhaps you’d be able to compromise on what you’d originally planned? - the movie’s initial ‘roaring’ puppet shots are already very effective, so it’s only the inferior design seen in the brief ‘cave lunge’ shot that really needs replacing, if possible -
Your version is very close indeed to how the initial ‘roaring’ puppet looks…so even if you only included a similar, brief ‘lunging’ movement for your ‘cave lunge’ shot replacement, it would still look MUCH, MUCH BETTER than the current shot above, whether the mouth is working properly or not…
So perhaps you’ll consider this kind of compromise if things aren’t panning out for what you originally envisioned. However, it may turn out that even a briefer use of your Wampa might not be possible…and if that’s the case, then I certainly understand what a complete bummer this must be for you - https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FvRxUOugQb8/maxresdefault.jpg
Lest we forget…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJG50U2YZhE
and then there were these examples too…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XBjE3b228
and after all that, I reckon that JeremyMWest-Esquire ‘lost the will to live’ when it came to doing a compilation of his ROTS removals as well!
Somewhere along the way, George confused a ‘child-like’ quality with a ‘childish’ one for his prequels.
‘Cool’…my ass. 😉
That works flawlessly. Here’s the sequence at present, leaving no problem using the control rooms shots for the firing sequence:
https://vimeo.com/221300542
password: “wars”
Great stuff once again.
You guys are really coming up with ways to do this whole ‘re-structure’ idea justice, and I’m pleased that NeverarGreat’s ‘firing’ sequence can remain as it is after all. 😃
By the way Hal, it’s really neat to see your scene using the more dynamic shot of the troops ‘turning around’ after Hux finishes talking, rather than using the ‘raised arm salutes’ shot!
I’ve softened on the prequels ever since the new movies started coming out. When it looked like the series was over forever it seemed like a bigger deal, but now that Star Wars movies are going to continue indefinitely, I’m not bothered by three of them being pretty bad, in much the same way that I don’t get angry about a bad James Bond or Star Trek movie.
I get exactly what you mean, however 3 bad movies in a row that “technically” are at the start of the series is a lot to swallow and forgive in the larger picture that at this stage is still only 7 movies (not including RO since it’s not part of the actual episodic series).
But yes, with the PT no longer being where Star Wars “ended”, it’s not such a sour point anymore and the more good movies made on the other end of the series, the easier it will be to forget and not really care about the whole PT debacle (especially with plenty of fan edits to help make them somewhat watchable).
Okay, I just caught up with this particular thread of yours TV’s Frink, and think I’ll join in the fun… 😉
As joe suggests, I reckon the sting of the ‘Prequel Trilogy’ disappointment has been diluted somewhat for some of us, due to the franchise continuing.
But not by much…because as Val pointed out, the ‘officially’-numbered viewing order of George’s ‘saga’ still involves ‘newbies’ to the franchise having to endure 3 dodgy movies in-a-row before they eventually get to the fun of the ‘Original Trilogy’ pay-off.
BLECH!..but before I go any further, this is a good opportunity to add these particular ‘Prequel’ articles here which gave some food for thought at the time -
www.io9.gizmodo.com/star-wars-the-phantom-menace-doesnt-really-get-what-it-1742188503
www.io9.gizmodo.com/attack-of-the-clones-is-a-star-wars-wish-fulfillment-ch-1743553858
www.io9.gizmodo.com/sure-revenge-of-the-sith-is-the-best-star-wars-prequel-1744646183
…and in the interests of ‘balance’, there’s this one too (although I personally don’t agree with it all) - www.observationdeck.kinja.com/5-things-the-star-wars-prequels-did-right-1624100988
Of course, for some of us there’s the option of watching these movies in a slightly different form to how George envisaged things…and this article covers a lot of the points that various re-edits have improved on over the years - www.io9.gizmodo.com/include-these-anti-cheese-star-wars-prequels-while-you-1747781701
…and this one describes the various ways these movies can be re-ordered too - www.lifehacker.com/how-to-properly-catch-up-on-all-the-star-wars-movies-be-1748097695
While I’ll NEVER regard George’s 3 ‘Prequels’ as being ‘cool’ whatsoever, there’s enough moments throughout them to hold my interest - but the ONLY way I would wish to re-watch them one-after-the-other in a ‘saga’ viewing order these days…is by merely including heavily-edited versions of each prequel set IN-BETWEEN the RETURN OF THE JEDI and THE FORCE AWAKENS movies, as a trilogy-long ‘flashback’ to earlier events…so that they DON’T adversely affect any of the great character introductions of the ‘Original Trilogy’ - and this 3-movies-long, ‘flashback’ interlude has the additonal advantage of allowing a certain diversion of time to go by after watching RETURN OF THE JEDI, which helps smooth the ‘jump-forwards-in-time’ when resuming with the much-OLDER characters in THE FORCE AWAKENS, I find.
So my own ideal viewing order of the STAR WARS ‘saga’ will ALWAYS be the ‘release order’ of Episodes 4 5 6 - 1 2 3 - 7 8 9, no-matter-what…but due to the power of the ‘Death Star’ being built-up so effectively in ROGUE ONE, I’m now content to have a pre-‘scrolled’, re-edited version of that movie kick off the whole shebang for me. 😃
Hmmm, I was forgetting that the 2 ‘control room’ shots were probably already being included in the earlier ‘weapon charging’ sequence…and agree that it’s not ideal to re-use them in EXACTLY the same way for this later ‘firing’ sequence, as it will be too noticeable.
NeverarGreat, Just throwing this out there - would REVERSING the 2 shots in this later sequence take the edge off the duplication? - so that your music would be the SAME in the background, except we’d see the female operater shot FIRST this time (‘reversed’ to turn towards her monitor in this instance), BEFORE we then see the male operator, just before the weapon fires.
Alternatively, if that doesn’t work out, what about using a DIFFERENT combination of shots for this instead? - perhaps just re-using the first male operator shot as it is, followed by then cutting to the ENDING of that short ‘Hux’ clip you just posted above (where we don’t see him), might work together to give the feel of a slightly different ‘control room’ moment at this point. (the ‘Hux’ footage would have to be given a ‘reddish’ tint to tie-in with the male operator shot, of course)
Here’s an updated version:
https://vimeo.com/221136104
Password: leia
…well I think a lot of us will agree that version was damned AWESOME NeverarGreat. 😃
Excellent stuff, and I loved every second of the way you got that to flow. The scene really benefits from your additional reaction shots, as far as I’m concerned…and the placement of the continuing ‘laser’ shot BEFORE we finally see Leia’s pensive expression is PERFECT.
Thank you so much for your efforts on this, as it’s much appreciated. Now excuse me while I go and amend my own FORCE AWAKENS cut-list accordingly, as that was a DEFINITIVE re-structure of the scene to my mind.
BRAVO! 😃
I’m certainly fine with the slightly slowed shots in the sequence so it’s nice to see someone share that feeling. However, it seems we’re in the minority on this. I can understand the reasoning - slow motion is usually not part of the Star Wars ‘style’, with I believe the only exception being the Dagobah tree. So while it might be a more ‘epic’ feeling to slow things down, it would be more in keeping with Star Wars to simply find another shot to put into the sequence.
Yes, the Luke vs Vader duel in the ESB cave was certainly a ‘slo-mo’ case in point. And it actually went on quite a bit longer than the 11 seconds that these facial reaction shots would in this instance. I’d certainly be interested to see how well this would actually work with the rest of your current version, as I think the excellent backing score during this sequence might accompany this method quite nicely.
I kinda look on all these post-Lucas sequels as having a different-looking feel to the original trilogy at times anyway, when it comes to some of the more ‘stylized’ shots that have been included so far - such as J.J.'s ‘crash zoom’ during the Falcon/TIE dogfight through the superstardestroyer wreckage, for example.
Not that that’s a bad thing in moderation - and to be honest, I’m still kinda miffed we didn’t get one or two ‘epic’-looking ‘slo-mo’ scenes in ROGUE ONE, such as this particular preview suggested we might at the time! 😉 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU
I made this mockup a few weeks ago and forgot to upload it until now:
https://vimeo.com/221051395
Password: leiaThe intention was to find enough footage to cover the entire Starkiller cue without cuts, though I did have to slightly truncate the end since I wanted the original musical placement with the Hosnian shots. It’s more of a ‘what if’ than a serious suggestion.
However, I do really like the shot of Leia directly before the destruction of Hosnian Prime. In the original film, it is very obvious that Leia reacts to Han’s death through the Force, but here it is unclear whether she knows of his death at all. The development of her latent Force sensitivity is irrelevant to the film, and could even undercut the value of Luke to the story if Leia was strong enough to feel the death of a single person halfway across the galaxy. It may even be more tragic that she cannot sense his death, depriving her of even his final moment. This humanizes her and quickly reframes the sequence as being about her relationship to the system which is about to be destroyed. Leia is our only substantial character connection to the New Repubic (through her backstory and through Sella), just as she and Ben were the only substantial character connections to Alderaan. It is through them that we feel the loss of the planets, and so placing Leia directly ahead of the destruction and the death of Kor Sella, it allows the audience to ‘feel’ the destruction in a personal way.
NeverarGreat - while I like the previous clip that Hal put up well enough, I reckon the way you’ve done this sequence looks even more effective overall - and that this ‘what if’ makes for a serious contender indeed! And I certainly agree with your way of looking at Leia’s response, if this version was to be included in anyone’s edit.
Here’s a few impressions on it - even though I’m not bothered if it’s left in or not, the removal of the stardestroyer from the ‘laser’ shot works very well overall. And I like seeing the ‘base technicians’ preparing to fire the weapon, as well as your use of the 2 ‘X-wing pilot’ shots. And of course, I really like the use of Leia’s profile at the end of the reaction shots.
But there’s just one major issue I have with your sequence - and that’s the inclusion of the substandard, ‘time-coded’ reaction shot in the mix - however, I wanted to propose something which might possibly help to improve that a bit -
Here’s what I’m thinking - assuming that your aim is to keep the score in your clip the EXACT same length it currently is, then how about ditching that reaction shot of the guy altogether…and REALLY embrace some ‘slo-mo’ in that portion of the sequence, and just s-l-o-w d-o-w-n the rest of the remaining reaction shots, to give them all a ‘SLOW MOTION’ effect at that point in the sequence - so that these reaction shots (including Leia’s profile) end up being stretched out to fill the time between 01:02 secs and 01:13 secs in your clip.
The excellent melancholy music of this overall sequence flows through this sequence right up until we see Chewie fire in rage, and your version has a more epic feel to it than any version I’ve seen so far. I just think a bit of ‘slo-mo’ for those remaining reaction shots might fit in quite nicely at this point in the sequence, especially since some of the ‘laser’ shots already have an almost ‘slow motion’-like quality to them anyway.
As things stand, I reckon your version has a more epic flow to it than any previous version I’ve seen so far, and is worth a bit of further tweaking one way or another. Good stuff.
I do not get it, I only see one tusk in these photos. Because the bottom photo is flipped.
Rondan, it looks like both horns are visible in that top behind-the-scnens pic to me - with the tip of the ‘broken-ended’ one just visible on the left of that pic.
As far as I’m aware, the bottom pic (which is ‘flipped’ compared to the way it looks in the top pic) was taken when the wampa puppet was on public display somewhere, sometime after the movie was completed. And somewhere along the line, the hair on the puppet ended up re-arranged somewhat, and ended up covering one of the horns completely in this pic.
@ Ronster - Gotta say that I was never partial to the look of McQuarrie’s wampa design, nor the curvature of it’s horns in that particular concept. I much prefer the horns to be angled more in the style of this myself -
He had a bunch of other videos, including a brilliant ending to ROTS that was never recovered.
Just curious ben_danger, but can you describe a rough idea of what he came up with for his ending at the time?
Thanks for giving us this latest preview adywan, and it’s great to see your WAMPA’s jaw mechanics in action!
I was curious about a few unanswered things back in this post from page 1342 - www.originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1048943/ , but I see from doubleofive’s comments that you’re actually going to replace the original puppet shot too! (I’ve included the shots above for the sake of easy reference for everyone)
I didn’t realise you were intending to do away with the great opening shot of the puppet, with it’s open-wide roar…and just assumed you were trying to get a closer approximation of it to replace the inferior-looking ‘cave’ shot of it lunging towards Luke…so that’s interesting news.
I always thought that original first reveal was terrific, and hopefully your new shot can give it equal justice.
But I still have several queries that your latest clip throws up -
Before you film it, will you be trying to brush the hair on your version’s head in a manner similar to the tousled, mussed-up look of the original one? - I know it can’t be exact, but the original puppet looked excellent in that regard.
And are you still intending to heavily coat the hair with ‘icicles’ like the original has? - that’s one of the best details about that original puppet, I reckon.
And are you going to ‘dirty down’/add a little ‘dried blood’ under it’s bottom lip to your version, as seen in the top 2 shots above? - again, I think that’s a nice additional detail there.
And this is just an additional observation concerning your wampa’s HORNS - seeing as it seems you’re going to replace the puppet which had it’s horns mostly covered in hair, I was kinda hoping that your new ones were going to look a little bigger and more ‘gnarly’ than they currently are.
Personally, I always liked the ‘lop-sided’ ears of the original puppet, and the fact that they’re missing in your clip kinda makes it look like your horns are ‘ears’. Not quite, but almost, if you see what I mean. If you are indeed excluding ‘ears’ on your version altogether (like the SE ‘additional scene’ version does), then fair enough…but I just think that your new horns would look even better if they looked a bit larger and more prominent. And I would have loved to have seen them a little more ‘gnarly’-looking overall, with ‘chunkier’ segments, and with the end of one horn ‘broken off’ like the original has.
By ‘gnarly’-looking, I mean something more akin to how the horns on Luke’s tauntaun appear here -
To be honest, I was always a fan of the size of horns in relation to the wampa’s head…as seen in the original KENNER toy figure, as seen in this article - www.starwars.com/news/wampa-collecting-hoths-horrible-monsters
Either way, I know that your final filmed shots of the wampa are bound to be impressive-looking. Great work!
*(EDIT: Heh, I see the ‘ears’ issue was addressed while I typed all this out!) 😃 - but just to confirm that they ARE briefly seen during the original shot, as can be just made out above in my 3rd pic down.
So you guys know the defected imperial fighter is snoop dog right?
WUT?
https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/final-model-shot/
Looking great so far!
Happy Birthday adywan.
WOO and indeed HOO!
Can’t wait to see the finished version, and that Hoth base shot is looking terrific from what I can make out.
