ImperialFighter

What about this then?....

LOL!

Okay, I'm not sure this is right or not, but here goes....

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and....

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Thanks for allowing that Adywan, and that gives us a little more flexibility then, as ideally I'd like the 'main' sequence shots to be a uniform size throughout.   But we won't make them TOO big to scroll past easily, as there will be some comments to go with them also.

doubleofive -  I'm going to try a very small test shortly, as this 'coding' malarky is gobbledygook to me, and I'm sometimes hard of understanding where this stuff is concerned, lol.  Whether it works out or not, I will e-mail you afterwards with where we are at.  :) 

Adywan -  Just to clarify, do you mean you would still prefer this sequence featuring some 'mock-up' proposals, put on here, rather than GoodMusician's thread?

I know you didn't want a seperate one for them, and I'd suggested to doubleofive that we ask yourself and GoodMusician if we could perhaps put it at the end of his related Adywan's 'Empire' edit:SUMMARY CONTROL one, where the ideas are gathered in an at-a-glance manner.   Basically, because we wouldn't have been restricted with the screenshot sizes we then chose.  There are indeed 63 shots in total, but we have a compromise in sizes ready for this main thread if you still wish it on here.  We would show the 'mock-ups' at a certain moderate size, and the 'unaltered' ones would be done in a smaller 'thumbnail' manner.  This is still okay to show what I intended, and won't take long to scroll down past at the end of the day.

Thanks for offering to put a link to them on your first page, but that isn't really necessary, as it is really just something showing some ideas that you may or may not like, for you to consider along the way.  If we were indicated to put them on a seperate thread or GoodMusicians, we were just going to indicate on here where they were, so that everyone else could go to have a look too, if interested.  I can't wait to see what you end up putting in these 'mocked-up' areas yourself (if anything at all!), but it's just to show a couple of possibilities that don't need extensive, complicated work (easy for me to say!) for you to mull over.

Either way, the whole thing is very nearly ready, and I will make time to add the comments (or give them to doubleofive to also include for me) very soon, for you and others to have a look at.

Adywan - Darth Solo makes a lot of good points to consider there. 

So....that'll be 'Star Wars:Revisited - Revisited' then?  An HD version, if possible, would be mind-blowing!  But we won't hold you to it.  It'll be a '3D conversion' next....  ;)

Adywan - you seem to be a guy that thinks BIG!  However, I for one was more than delighted with the eventual quality of your 'Star Wars:Revisited' DVD-9....  Don't overstretch if it's gonna give you too many headaches on this whole thing.  Just saying.  Good luck.

adywan said:

 

I see no problem with the stardestroyer at the beginning. It is, after all, deploying several probe droids. I think that the Empire would scatter the Stardestroyers throughout the galaxy to give the widest search range for the probes, so it would be on its own.It also wouldn't make sense having the stardestroyer jump out of hyperspace above Hoth at the beginning because the rebels would have been alerted immediately to the imperials presence which would contradict most of the first part of the movie

 

Agreed.

Sevb32 -  Patience, you must learn patience....I think you'll find this baby's got a few surprises to come....

Those shot examples are looking really great.  If that's only the 'first pass', then I'm sure looking forward to your final colouration!

I'm okay with the overall look of that existing shot of the floating city matte and 'gas collector/refinery'(?), it's just the extra 'movement' of the original 'Cloud car' that I missed after the 'transition' from Luke's X-wing in space.  However, if Adywan decides on a 're-do' of this particular shot, then I'm sure it will end up great too.  I know we got a whole new CGI 'Cloud car' sequence over the floating city itself, just after this existing brief shot in the SE, but I liked the fact that the GOUT version emphasised that there was some normal flying activity happening some distance AWAY from the 'floating city' itself, at this point, just like we got when the Millennium Falcon was 'escorted in' from a good distance away from it.

The 'wisp of cloud movement caused by Luke's X-wing' idea that Ripplin flagged up about the shot later on, would be a really nice subtle touch at that point, and there are other shots involving the Millennium Falcon, that this subtle 'cloud disturbance' would be good for too, which had been mentioned by someone previously.  Maybe that was Ripplin too, I can't remember.

Amok -  I don't know what new stuff, if any, that Lucasfilm will eventually put out on the Blu-ray version, but I hope there will be extra 'attention' given to the 3D 'repurposing' of the saga that has been recently confirmed as definately coming.  There's a lot of work required to even match Adywan's 'Star Wars:Revisited' though....

Some interesting comments there about a couple of things Adywan.  Glad to hear you are planning something with that 'floating refinery' shot in some way.  I was meaning even something along the lines of 'flipping' either the twin-pod that comes around the building Leia is seen walking in, or the more subtle one that is seen dipping down and then up again, in the top of the frame where we see the 'close-up' of the Millennium Falcon landing on the platform.  I'll look forward to what you eventually do with this shot. 

Ripplin said:

ImperialFighter said:

Talk about burying your head in the sand (snow), lol

Actually, it's sitting down. The smoke is coming from where its head used to be.

Ha ha, so it is!  I'd been out on a pubcrawl with a couple of mates last night.  It proves you should never comment on a forum when you're completely boozed-up!  I knew there was something distinctly strange with that shot at the time....and it looks just as bad in the 'sitting' position, lol.

Darth Solo -  we're 95% there, so things will be posted soon now.  I need to recover a little, first....  ;)

Sluggo said:

 

 

 

Sluggo -  I've never seen this one before!  Talk about burying your head in the sand (snow), lol.  Please Adywan....DO NOT include this in your 'Empire' edit....

Adywan, at the transition 'wipe' (1:22:08 PAL 'timing') which changes from Luke's X-wing flying away from 'Dagobah' to a reveal of Bespin 'floating city' in white clouds, I miss the movement and roar of the orange twin-pod vehicle that came directly towards us in the original GOUT version.  It was removed in the SE, and replaced with a 'floating gas refinery' instead.  The 'floating gas refinery' is fair enough, but I'd sure like to see the movement of a twin-pod vehicle back here, which gave the original shot a bit more life.  There are a few existing elements which could be used or 'flipped' for this (either coming at us or away from us), and it's just something else to consider come the time.

Adywan -  at 1:27:21 (PAL 'timing'), just as Vader comes around the corner of the reddish-brown interior, after telling Boba Fett that he can take Han to Jabba the Hutt after he has Skywalker, there is some very noticeable 'cloudiness' / 'fogging' on the bottom of the frame.  It seems like damage to the print almost, and is very annoying, and 'blurs' in front of the blackness of Vader especially.  Any chance it can be eliminated?

Hope to get a chance to stick a few other things on here again shortly, but been concentrating on some ideas with doubleofive this past while, to show you a couple of thoughts about certain stuff.  We're nearly there on that.

GET SOME SLEEP, we can wait as long as it takes for this thing, lol! 

HotRod said:

Shouldn't Vaders Star Destroyer be somewhere around Hoth anyway?

Just thinking about it that's all. I mean, we don't see any sign of the Super Star Destroyer when either the Rebels or Han & Co leave the planet.

HotRod and others - doubleofive and I are doing something along these lines which could explain a couple of things along the way....  We'll see what Adywan thinks once we're done.

Adywan - Thanks for getting back to us on that one, and I hope we have something interesting for you to consider eventually.

doubleofive - Yes, we've been a little unlucky along the way, but are nearly there.  Check your latest successful e-mail.  :)

doubleofive has put some excellent effort into some 'mock-ups' for some potential thoughts for Adywan and everyone here to have a look at.  He has not done them in an enormous size, but there are approx. forty-odd shots or so in the sequence, which will include some 'alternative' ideas (don't worry Adywan, not every shot is a 'mock-up', and the ones that are, are done using various existing elements!) as well for certain shots.  It's only to give Adywan some food for thought in certain areas he may not have already considered, and something for others here to have a look at, that are interested.  I am planning on commenting on various things, once the shots have been put up, at some point soon. 

Adywan, as it's your thread, maybe you will advise us if we can place it on here for you, or if you want a dedicated thread for it.  Thanks.

WXM -  Your talented contributions are very appreciated by the many who have been lucky enough to see 'Star Wars:Revisited', and the many more who will be watching it long into the future.  Well done, as you did some tremendous work.  The hours put in were definately worth it.  :)

DarthBo -  Thanks for that handy link about all this.  Nice work Adywan.

As a huge fan of the movie in general, one of the great things for me, when watching 'Star Wars:Revisited' right through for the first time, was the fact that from the beginning until the end, there seemed to be some unexpected new addition or tweak just around each corner.  It felt new and refreshed, with a lot of thought and care given to the additions, which included some things that weren't necessarily needed, but sure were nice to have been included. 

Having seen the many suggestions so far (with quite a few yet to come no doubt), it seems there are many things throughout 'Empire' that can be added to or enhanced.  No doubt an 'improved' release of the unenhanced Original Trilogy movies will be along sometime from Lucasfilm, and that will be welcome (if a bit late in the day), but in the meantime, I for one hope that this 'Empire' will be very much 'Adywaned' from start to finish, with plenty of surprising little touches to marvel at.  Call me an 'Additionalist', and make 'Empire' even more than it already is Ady, as it is sure to be done with the same care and attention.    

doubleofive said:

I've got no problem with Slave 1's changing paint job.  It's not like it changed shape or anything over the years, it just got a different paint job in the last 30 years.

True, and it does show a certain independence from Boba to distinguish himself from his father somewhat, when he inherited the ship.  Either that or he ran out of BLUE.   ;)

Guess I just had a fixed idea of what Slave 1 should look like over the years, before AOTC came along.

If only we could have had somewhat of the original colouration (albiet a lot fresher-looking), along with a  touch of the original sound on the Prequel version of Slave 1....

Ripplin -  I'll second a lot of that.  Some of the sound effects in the Prequels turned out to be very annoying!

Sevb32 -  Thanks for that.  :)

Perhaps someone here could put up a screenshot showing the best 'close-up' look at the movie version Main Generator, where it is seen in a 'targeting display' just as General Veers orders "Target, maximum fire-power".  I don't know how important it will be to Adywan in the end, but there are some noticeable differences between the movie version and this other image that has been shown on here.  Most notably, at the inside areas of the four prominent sections, where the middle horizontal sections join.  I don't know how important that is or not, but there are certainly differences.

Adywan -  That reminds me.  I really like the shape of the excellent existing 'targeting display' graphic, as well as the green 'co-ordinates' around it.  If you are planning on changing the image of the Main Generator shown in it in any way, I hope you will choose to keep the actual graphic as it is.  And I'd like to vouch for the existing 'macrobinocular' one that the Rebel Trooper first spots the 'AT-AT leg' on, too.