Something that I really liked about the actual 'STAR WARS' logo on ANH:R, was the slightly emboldened outline of the lettering. It's a subtle thing, but makes it even better.
PaulisDead2221 said:2) The problem with the shot inside the executor is that it is a recycled shot from the opening scene to Return of the Jedi. It's just like--'what the hell?' I personally don't have much of a problem with the scenes of Vader's shuttle taking off, and traversing through space. I understand some people say it slows down the pacing of the escape of the Millenium Falcon, but I think it provides a little expansion to what everybody's doing at the moment.
I'd like the actual brief shot of Darth's Shuttle seen flying upwards toward the 'Executor' in distance, retained too. The part where we see the Shuttle from behind anyway. This is a really nice 'establishing' shot that occurs before the proper 'TIE / Millennium Falcon chase' gets properly underway, and in no way interferes with the 'pacing' of it....unlike the likes of the Shuttle actually docking, and Vader exiting it down the ramp. Unless Adywan is choosing to use that particular 'Executor' element in his altered 'JEDI' opening, that is....
Ziz - Nice work on that selection of Wampa shots from the SE and GOUT versions.
Darth Solo - That was an interesting collection of behind-the-scenes shots of the 2nd original version ('man in a suit') 'lunging' Wampa. I hadn't seen those before. Hilarious.
That 'One-arm' link that was also recently put up, was interesting too. Lots of neat Wampa artwork I'd never seen before. Also, as far as the info. referring to the 2nd original 'lunging' version in the 'ice cave' as being a different, female Wampa, compared to the '1st one' first seen earlier in the movie....well, I'd never read that before either! While the idea is 'plausible' enough, the question is whether that is a better idea than having it seem to be the same Wampa that Luke's dealing with throughout, or not.... Because the possibility it was a seperate, female Wampa was not something I remember thinking was obviously meant to be the case, during my many viewings of 'Empire', then I'm not so sure.
All I know is that there seems to be a lot of Wampa apples and Wampa oranges where various folks are concerned, myself included, and there are various ways this could go. Pity someone, somewhere, messed up on the whole 'continuity' thing with this one.... I sure will be interested to see what Adywan's own final preferrence turns out to be, come the time. Decisions, decisions.... :)
By the way, I think Adywan's revamped 'starfields' are excellent, and very 'Star Wars' as they are.
Josh - Soon. There were some unforeseen problems/limitations with the site where some of these shots are concerned, and they 'cut off' after a certain amount in PMs. As I can't risk the same happening with the final post onto the actual thread, I've had to spend more time putting them into sections, ready for posting one after the other. So time has been taken up trying to sort out this out seperately, and certain shots seemed to want to come out a different size or not at all. After a bit of playing about, I've been able to get something like what was originally intended now, but it's now finding the time to finish up all the relevant comments in-between them, that is the latest hold-up. All I can tell you is that I hope to have them up sometime during the next 3 days.
Re:the Wampa 'horns' - There is no doubt that that the 1st original suit ('puppet') has it's horns in place under all that fur, and there is what looks like the gnarly, cut-off 'stump' of one of them sticking out, that is easily seen too, when you study a screenshot. And this version of the Wampa looks great. Unfortunately, the 2nd original suit ('man inside') version, where it 'lunges' towards us in the cave, has a totally different look to both it facial features, it's ears, and the shape of it's horns. It is a very different design to the 'puppet' version. The ears on the 'puppet' are noticeable in it's second brief appearance with Luke and the Taun-Taun, but they are more discrete, and don't 'stick up' so prominently on the very top of it's head, as the ones on the 2nd version do. The 'horns' on this 2nd one are very smooth, and stick out a lot at the side of it, compared to where the ones on the 1st version seem to be, had they not been covered in fur. It is a very brief shot, at the end of the day, but the differences are there. The SE version that is being dropped by Adywan, was very different again, but I preferred the look of the horns on that one, compared to the 2nd original ('man in suit') one. The question is whether Adywan tries to match the 2 remaining designs a little, or not, and if he does, does he match the look of the 'horns' on the 1st one, or the 2nd one, or even the SE one... There is no right way or wrong way at the end of the day, but if Adywan doesn't add the hint of a 'second' Wampa in the cave, then it would be nice for these 2 versions to better match a little. If he leaves them both different, and doesn't try to match them, then that's okay too, as it's not straight-forward.
Very quickly before I have to leave for today - this idea of 'different' Wampas sounds plausable enough when it's scrutinized here, but I myself never thought about all that on my first few viewings of the movie, and I'm not sure most others who saw it, did either, and the same goes for most who will see it for the first time in the future. As it seemed to me at the time (and still is, I must say), that there was only one single Wampa involved, it has always 'jarred' that the appearance isn't the same, either during the original, nor in the SE version. If this idea of different Wampa's is followed, then I'd rather just see the 1st appearance left alone altogether, to fully distinguish it from the 'other one' (presumably the 2nd original suit, with the smooth, sticking out horns and pointed ears), who's facial features don't even match at the end of the day. However, in that event, it would be good if we could get the subtle 'glimpse' of a 'second one' in the cave, to really sell that idea then.
Adywan - Can you take the time to have a quick refresh of all the shots and comments on page 62, and rather than have the ears 'sticking up' so pointedly as seen in the 'lunging' 2nd original suit.... consider having them protrude no more than is seen in the third shot down there, where the second glimpse of the 1st original suit ('puppet') is pictured. Whatever you decide will be fine, as it's definately a tricky one overall.
Adywan - It was really nice to see that you added 'horns' to the 1st 'original' Wampa suit scenes near the beginning, to tie it in better with when we see it in the 'ice cave' scene. However, I see that there is a bit of doubt over them so far. As this is one of the touches that I personally hoped to see included, I'd like to offer a last suggestion on this aspect - Firstly, as we have seen these shots so many times over the years, every addition is going to pop out at first. However, I always wished that the various 'looks' of the Wampa had been more uniform overall. As far as your added 'horns' on this preview go, I think you could amend them a little, so that they are even better. What I think could improve them, is if you did the more rounded, more tapered, and more 'gnarly' ones that seem to start quite thickly, higher up on the sides of the Wampa's head, that were seen on the SE suit version. The ones that you presently have, reminded me immediately of the shape of the 2nd 'original' Wampa suit, as seen 'lunging' at Luke, just before he cuts it's arm off. I always thought that was the least- successful looking version of the suit, and the horns, along with it's 'sticking up' ears.... I see that in the initial reveal of the Wampa, that you have indeed added the other ear, so that it protrudes noticeably, just like the 2nd 'original' suit....but I think this is not as good a look as where we see LESS of the ears in the 1st 'original' suit, and that they look better half-glimpsed, and closer to the fur....as seen even in the SE version of the suit.
If you refer back to page 62, to my post third from the top, there are some amended comments about all this, along with the relevant screenshots that show at a glance, what I'm getting at. It's not a big issue, but I'd be sorry to see nothing added here. See what you think.
ladyferry - Thanks very much for your link. Adywan's preview looks great. Lots of great subtle touches already, and one that I notice now, is how the Hoth Planet 'rotates' a little, as the Probe closes in. The 'rotation' of Tattooine Planet as the Falcon escaped from Mos Eisley was a big hit with me on his ANH:R!
doubleofive and Adywan - I'm having to do some rearranging of the screenshots due to some unforeseen software/'coding' issues on some. Nothing that can't be overcome, but it's taking up a little more time I don't have enough of at present. Soon enough though.
doubleofive said:
adywan said:
Doubleofive & ImperialFighter, how are the pics coming along?
The pics are uploaded and ready; ImperialFighter is currently trying to find time to write out his descriptions around them and post them, hopefully tomorrow sometime.
It's out of my hands at this point. I'm nervous for it...
Darth Solo - This is another fine mess I've gotten myself into.... ;)
Okay, just to update - doubleofive's fine work is indeed recently done. However, we did a 'test' with a PM, and found that the whole sequence of 63 shots would not 'post' all in one go.... So, since I have a lot of comments to write up in-between some of these shots, and I don't want it to 'cut off' at some unknown point, I'm having to prepare it seperately into the 5 different 'posts' that we worked out would look best, ready for consecutive sending, one after the other, once they are ready. I don't want to rush this at the last hurdle after all of doubleofive's great efforts, and am currently trying to find the time needed to properly finish all my points in-between some of the scenes involved. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee just how soon that will be, but it will be soon. And I'm very pleased with how doubleofive's 'mock-ups' have come out. Oh, and I'm not nervous....no, not me....er....no....not one bit....
Ahem, I'll try a third time to get this right - GoodMusician's 'ideas summary' thread is actually called Adywan's ESB edit: Suggestion Terminal Thankyou. Apologies for mis-naming that twice.
satanika - That was some 'interesting' imagery too, lol.
I'm looking forward to Adywan's more subtle touch on this thing. ;)
Fjodin - Thanks for that video clip link featuring some cut-scenes from the 90's X-wing pc game. I hadn't seen that footage before, and it was interesting to see some of the imagery in that.
GoodMusician - apologies, I got the title of your related 'ideas compilation' thread wrong recently. It is of course called Adywan's ESB edit: Summary Terminal
And a fine job you did too by the look of things doubleofive. It's like magic I tells ya.... :)
Let me just try this other one again....and I'll send that e-mail before I hit the sack for the night.
EDIT: Thanks doubleofive. I could do this all night, lol....
Everyone's a critic.... ;)
What about this then?....
LOL!
Okay, I'm not sure this is right or not, but here goes....
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Thanks for allowing that Adywan, and that gives us a little more flexibility then, as ideally I'd like the 'main' sequence shots to be a uniform size throughout. But we won't make them TOO big to scroll past easily, as there will be some comments to go with them also.
doubleofive - I'm going to try a very small test shortly, as this 'coding' malarky is gobbledygook to me, and I'm sometimes hard of understanding where this stuff is concerned, lol. Whether it works out or not, I will e-mail you afterwards with where we are at. :)
Adywan - Just to clarify, do you mean you would still prefer this sequence featuring some 'mock-up' proposals, put on here, rather than GoodMusician's thread?
I know you didn't want a seperate one for them, and I'd suggested to doubleofive that we ask yourself and GoodMusician if we could perhaps put it at the end of his related Adywan's 'Empire' edit:SUMMARY CONTROL one, where the ideas are gathered in an at-a-glance manner. Basically, because we wouldn't have been restricted with the screenshot sizes we then chose. There are indeed 63 shots in total, but we have a compromise in sizes ready for this main thread if you still wish it on here. We would show the 'mock-ups' at a certain moderate size, and the 'unaltered' ones would be done in a smaller 'thumbnail' manner. This is still okay to show what I intended, and won't take long to scroll down past at the end of the day.
Thanks for offering to put a link to them on your first page, but that isn't really necessary, as it is really just something showing some ideas that you may or may not like, for you to consider along the way. If we were indicated to put them on a seperate thread or GoodMusicians, we were just going to indicate on here where they were, so that everyone else could go to have a look too, if interested. I can't wait to see what you end up putting in these 'mocked-up' areas yourself (if anything at all!), but it's just to show a couple of possibilities that don't need extensive, complicated work (easy for me to say!) for you to mull over.
Either way, the whole thing is very nearly ready, and I will make time to add the comments (or give them to doubleofive to also include for me) very soon, for you and others to have a look at.
Adywan - Darth Solo makes a lot of good points to consider there.
So....that'll be 'Star Wars:Revisited - Revisited' then? An HD version, if possible, would be mind-blowing! But we won't hold you to it. It'll be a '3D conversion' next.... ;)
Adywan - you seem to be a guy that thinks BIG! However, I for one was more than delighted with the eventual quality of your 'Star Wars:Revisited' DVD-9.... Don't overstretch if it's gonna give you too many headaches on this whole thing. Just saying. Good luck.
adywan said:
I see no problem with the stardestroyer at the beginning. It is, after all, deploying several probe droids. I think that the Empire would scatter the Stardestroyers throughout the galaxy to give the widest search range for the probes, so it would be on its own.It also wouldn't make sense having the stardestroyer jump out of hyperspace above Hoth at the beginning because the rebels would have been alerted immediately to the imperials presence which would contradict most of the first part of the movie
Agreed.
Sevb32 - Patience, you must learn patience....I think you'll find this baby's got a few surprises to come....
Those shot examples are looking really great. If that's only the 'first pass', then I'm sure looking forward to your final colouration!
I'm okay with the overall look of that existing shot of the floating city matte and 'gas collector/refinery'(?), it's just the extra 'movement' of the original 'Cloud car' that I missed after the 'transition' from Luke's X-wing in space. However, if Adywan decides on a 're-do' of this particular shot, then I'm sure it will end up great too. I know we got a whole new CGI 'Cloud car' sequence over the floating city itself, just after this existing brief shot in the SE, but I liked the fact that the GOUT version emphasised that there was some normal flying activity happening some distance AWAY from the 'floating city' itself, at this point, just like we got when the Millennium Falcon was 'escorted in' from a good distance away from it.
The 'wisp of cloud movement caused by Luke's X-wing' idea that Ripplin flagged up about the shot later on, would be a really nice subtle touch at that point, and there are other shots involving the Millennium Falcon, that this subtle 'cloud disturbance' would be good for too, which had been mentioned by someone previously. Maybe that was Ripplin too, I can't remember.
Amok - I don't know what new stuff, if any, that Lucasfilm will eventually put out on the Blu-ray version, but I hope there will be extra 'attention' given to the 3D 'repurposing' of the saga that has been recently confirmed as definately coming. There's a lot of work required to even match Adywan's 'Star Wars:Revisited' though....
Some interesting comments there about a couple of things Adywan. Glad to hear you are planning something with that 'floating refinery' shot in some way. I was meaning even something along the lines of 'flipping' either the twin-pod that comes around the building Leia is seen walking in, or the more subtle one that is seen dipping down and then up again, in the top of the frame where we see the 'close-up' of the Millennium Falcon landing on the platform. I'll look forward to what you eventually do with this shot.