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Sevb32 said:

I think we need to think twice about changing those AT-AT driver's hemets, look at this http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/original%20atat%20helmet.htm

StarWarsHelmets.com eh?  Nice little site there Sevb32.

I always used to think that all those 'interior' shots of the AT-AT drivers were meant to be inside the General Veers AT-AT, and thought that the 'missing' red stripes on the helmets were a continuity mistake.

If they are indeed meant to show seperate interiors / AT-AT drivers, then my previous hope for red stripes to be added also is not in any way necessary now...just still preferable to me.

doubleofive said:

Really, we should take this back to the ESB/RotJ Wishlist thread.

I agree, and added my own two cents there on this one.

MCBarkingSpoon -   As far as everyone's suggestions go, it's good to hear everyone's ideas, no matter how outlandish some may seem (even some of mine!).  I'd like to think that Adywan welcomes this approach, and don't think we have to worry about him being influenced to do anything he himself doesn't like.   

A very interesting comment Adywan has just recently made on his EMPIRE:R thread is this -

The whole skiff battle will have some re-edits done to it, and I want to change Boba's death if I actually keep him in the movie, but using Jango for footage just isn't an option.

Without Ady having to elaborate on his JEDI:R edit too much at this point, with this open-ended acknowledgement, it seems he plans to do something to change the existing scene. 

While I'm not sure yet if I prefer the idea of no Boba in JEDI, as opposed to a better-edited version which includes him (i.e. perhaps without the ridiculous screaming and less 'flailing' arms and legs when his jetpack is set off by Han, and without a 'burping' Sarlacc), I'm just pleased at this point that Adywan will be improving things somewhat from the way things currently are, no matter what he prefers to do.

Personally, I always wished that the great character of Boba Fett had originally been given some sort of possible reprieve in JEDI, and would have liked him not to be shown to fall into the Sarlacc's mouth at all after he crashed into the side of Jabba's Sail Barge (or at least have exited thanks to his jetpack just after), but had instead been then glimpsed being caught up somewhat in the Barge explosion blast as our heroes escape on their skiff...with a question mark about whether he may have barely survived (although taking a good blast) by flying outwards just in time...     

Jambe Davdar said:

HI folks,

I've just dug out my Miami film festival version of Returning to Jedi.  There are some corrections and changes as well as a little additional footage that surfaced since the original release.

Anyone in the UK will to receive this disc and get copies circulating??

Thanks

JD

Hi Jambe, did you get organised with someone to DL some copies in the U.K. yet?  I'd sent you a P.M. a while back.

There have been some great suggestions by some members on this thread over the past months, and Adywan has done some tremendous work to look forward to.  I hope to have a few more things yet un-mentioned, especially concerning the 'Hoth ground battle', for Adywan to think about or shoot down, in the near future. 

In the meantime, I'd just like to wish everyone on the site, and this thread in particular, a very Happy Christmas and great New Year! 

Adywan -  Since you confirmed recently that you would be adding a subtle 'lens flare' or two into this edit too, I seem to study every one I see on t.v. now!

Anyway, I don't expect you to give away where you will eventually put them, but I thought this particular shot with Han waving, that is the culmination of the snowspeeder search, would benefit nicely from a long thin one perhaps.  Having said that, this is a static 'fixed camera' shot, and I don't know if you only want to add 'moving' ones to 'moving camera' shots, or not. 

Just a thought, as I always wished this particular shot was enhanced by something a little, even the hint of the snowspeeder's shadow just before the 'wipe' into the next scene perhaps.

By the way, if you can catch it tonight, or record it by any chance, there is the final part of a program called 'Catastrophe' on Channel 4 at 9p.m. which has been littered with some great and varied examples of 'lens flares' throughout the run.  And it's been a very interesting program to boot. 

Serji-X Arrogantus said:

Don't know if this has been mentioned and I'm not going through 186 other pages to find out.

 

The AT-AT pilots have a red stripe down the back of their helmets towards the end of the Walker Battle.

 

Yeah, that's definately been previously flagged up, but I don't know what page.  I don't think Adywan confirmed if he was going to add or remove them, so that the shots are consistent.  I hope he adds, as I really like that extra colour in those shots.

Please, no messing around with the Asteroid Worm's dentures....  But yes, John Carpenter's 'The Thing' is awesome stuff still.  :) 

I didn't mean to sound so harsh there BarBar, lol.

I do know what you're getting at, but I've always liked to think that although Han realised that there was something amiss, Leia (who said the line) had never encountered such an entity as this in her experience before, and simply didn't really register / comprehend that those were actual gigantic teeth in the distance, of some monstrous worm they were now inside of, rather than just the asteroid cave they initially entered....

Hope that helps a little.  I'd rather keep the teeth though, than have a 'gumsy' worm, regardless of that line.    

BarBar Jinkx said:

in regards to that Worm 

 

is there any way to get rid of the teeth?

 

 *cough* splutter* are you mad? 

Matt_Kenobi said:

On a totally unrelated topic, that's a bad matte line around the MF in the above pic.  Also, why is the MF's engine white, and the stars blue?

Probably because they didn't have Adywan on the case.  This shot will no doubt look terrific in his Empire:R edit!

Monroville said:

  For example: every so often the ears on a pig or cow will twitch or wiggle rapidly for a second or two.  You could even have the ears prick up right before or during the Taun-Taun acting up as it hears and smells the Wampa approaching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMcbtmfDrVs

 

 Hopefully Ady can successfully add even some slight movement to the proceedings, but it's no biggie if not.

In the meantime, I WANT A 'FAINTING' GOAT!!  :)

adywan said:

Giving the Taun Tauns ears movement could well be an impossible task and keep it looking real at the same time. I'll give it a go but i'm not promising anything

 

 Thanks.  I don't know, just the odd 'flick' or something perhaps.  If it works, it works.  They already look improved with your re-colouring alone!

Anyway, I've got several Hoth ground battle 'issues'/ 'flaws' that I've been keeping my powder dry for, since a while now, and will go through them here in a few days, with some potential improvements/fixes for you to consider.

Just while there's a pic here to remind me though, something I meant to previously suggest was if you would think about adding a little movement to the ears on the TaunTaun 'props'.

There seems to be some ear movements noticable on Han's stop-motion TaunTaun shots, especially just after Han has dismounted to scan for Luke.  I know you are including some small tweaks to the likes of the 'eye-blinks' on the 'full-size' props, but perhaps you could consider also giving the ears a little hint of 'movement' as well, if it's possible.   I reckon this could really bring them to life a bit more, if you are able to.

adywan said:

Adding red windows to the AT-Ats would mean that i would have to tint the insides red and fake lighting looks just that.. fake, and i am not prepared to do that, especially when it doesn't need to be done.

One thing you have to remember is that i am not a miracle worker. I can only work with what footage i have available.

This is a couple of days behind, but I just checked in to find you've given us all another clip ontop of the excellent 'Luke approaching Dagobah' one!

Adywan - I am one of those who really liked that red-lit, leading AT-AT, as it initially came over the rise, as I always reckoned that it gave it a menacing look....  I always used to wish that all the window 'slits' on every AT-AT shown in the battle had been given the same red-lit treatment (including the one that delivers Luke to Vader in 'JEDI').

Anyway, I just wanted to say that from what I've seen in your latest 1 min. clip of the Hoth ground battle....that losing the red-slit look in that shot is a very small price to pay for all your added AT-ATs, snowspeeders, lasers etc., and general extra oomph to the overall battle, which is looking fabulous!  :)

Oh, and you are wrong....you ARE  a miracle worker on this thing.

HotRod said:

 I'm going to miss that 'white blob'. It's been part of my life for 28 years.

 

RIP White blob!

 

Yes HotRod, it's a shame, but it had to go.  I've no doubt that George will definately be keeping it, and showing it in all it's High Definition glory in his next version though, lol.  ;)

ladyferry - thanks for that.  :)

adywan said:

Ok here's a very short clip of the approach to dagobah. Again its a split screen but this time it is a completed scene with tweaked FX, and an attempt to sort out the horrible re-colour job ILM did on R2's dome.

APPROACHING DAGOBAH -XVID - 16mb approx

Awesome stuff once again, and a huge improvement on the 2004 release.  You are doing incredible work. 

And on top of the excellent blue MF engine glow, new starfields and atmosphere, and R2 panel re-colouring....you've gotten rid of that bloody annoying 'white blob' that mysteriously appears at the end of the cave shot!  Brilliant.  :)

ladyferry -  Any chance of adding this to your YouTube collection too, sometime? 

New to this thread, but this seems to be a tremendous edit of an old favourite of mine.  :)

Would some kind soul be willing to PIF me a copy at all?  I'm able to PIF onwards.  If so, just PM me for details.  I'm based in U.K. by the way.  Many thanks. 

Agreed, that cover by Owen-Lars-Kenobi is really good and should definately go on Fanedit.org 

DarthBo said:

adywan said:

No, no. The last shot is one that i want to get rid of. The wampa in that shot looks too cutesy. The model, if i even make it, will be closer to the first shot & the SE Wampa

That is good news!

Thank the Maker!  This just gets better and better.  Cheers for clarifying this one Adywan, as I've personally really disliked this particular Wampa design (even though it's very brief) over the years, especially it's overly 'sticky-up' ears and 'smooth' horns (seen more clearly here), compared to it's first appearance -

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/wampa4.jpg

I'm sure that whatever combination of looks you eventually decide on with the remaining designs, will turn out great.  I'd rather a curmudgeonly Wampa with 'gnarly'-horns (if shown) over the one in the above shot any day. -

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1361/1172961332_c2753f6a75_o.jpg

http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/starwars/images/gallery/u07l6s6.jpg

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/250px-wampa.jpg

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/wampa-catalog4.jpg

http://starwars.carrotnetwork.com/reviews/2003/deluxe/wampa/04.jpg

http://defectiveyeti.com/images/wampa1.jpg

Lots of interesting updates from you recently Adywan. 

Although you posted that any new Wampa head model (!) would be shot in the same way as the original's first appearance (seen here at top), I get the feeling that you might be considering copying the whole look of the last original appearance (seen here at bottom).

I'd like to agree with those who seem to far prefer the look of the first appearance Wampa, rather than the brief one with the sticky-up ears and the smooth-looking, wide horns of the last appearance.

If you do a first appearance with horns, I hope you will consider using the excellent-looking first design with another go at added horns by you, rather than copying the last design.

Thanks for the heads-up about that ReverendBeastly.  My boys used to love this movie at a certain young age, and although the 'inter-species romance' is completely silly, I really like the bits of score by John Barry.  I held off getting the trailer-only, 2.0 stereo PAL release, but will definately get this for the extras-laden 5.1 remastering.  :)

I'm sure my sons will dig watching this with their girlfriends now.

As far as a new shuttle being used, I'd prefer the shortish shot of it's movement to still somewhat match what I think is a brief but terrific music cue.  That's why the two shots above from 'JEDI' (if they are not to be used in 'JEDI') are too long in their overall full-length 'timing' to replace the original EMPIRE Stardestroyer it exits from.  This would be a waste of the longer 'timing' of that 'JEDI' Stardestroyer element to my mind, when it could be say, accompanied by a longer 'Imperial March' cue over Hoth!....

If replaced, I wonder if the new shuttle will still come from the 'middle', larger bay (as shown in the top shot here from EMPIRE), or out of the 'front', smaller bay like in the two 'JEDI shots shown here?....like we tried to show in one of our examples, as shown in Monroville's post above.

Monroville - back on page 108 of this thread, amongst a host of for fun speculations / suggestions, was a mock-up showing how Adywan could perhaps use the 'overhead' Stardestroyer element from the start of 'JEDI' somewhere.  The reason for doing a mock-up with it, was because Adywan hadn't clarified if he was discarding that particular element at the start of his proposed 'JEDI:Revisited' beginning, or not....  It seems he is planning a (quite logical) new beginning that shows Vader aboard his 'Executor' Superstardestroyer instead!

If the 'overhead' Stardestroyer shot is still kept, then great ( or he may be re-colouring / adjusting it to seem like the 'Executor', I don't know), but if not, then I really hope it is used somewhere else, as it's such a great effects shot. 

Although I liked your mock-up using it, it's quite a long and majestic shot, and far longer than the scene of Captain Needa's shuttle.  I'd far rather see it used in the Hoth battle if it's being left out of 'JEDI'.

 

Like Kurgan and Hotrod, I too wonder why the 'zippy' one needs replaced though....  Perhaps Adywan just likes the look of it better.

rcb and Hamza -  You'll be pleased to know that Adywan has these covered already.  See no.s 54 and 62 on his list on page 1 of this thread.

mcfly89 -  It is indeed wonderful, and I have sent you a PM  :)

You seem to moving on nicely with this since I last checked in focuspuller.  :)   

Great stuff, and this is one of the things I've most looked forward to in a long time.

It is wonderful that there is someone out there who is capable of giving this particular Vangelis score the real presentation it deserves. 

adywan said:

There was a reason for that in ANH. If you look at the original FX the sabers have some really harsh jagged edges and the thickness changes due to the changing light intensity as the sabers move shining off the reflective strip on the saber. Unfortunately making them slightly fatter was the only way to cover them. But they are still nowhere near as fat as they appear in ROTJ. Boy those are going to be a nightmare to fix.

One of the things that I actually really like now about ANH:R are the thicker lightsaber glows. 

They have grown on me a lot, now that I am used to them since my first viewing, and the original ones seem very weedy in comparison.  And they ended up having an overall thicker look in ROTJ anyway as has been pointed out.