ImperialFighter

C3PX said:

I really don't see him as an angry person, nor much indication of anger in his posts.

I've always enjoyed reading skyjedi2005's more, er... 'outstandingly indignant' opinions on certain things on this site, and have found myself to be in complete agreement with a lot of them!  As well as these more entertaining comments, he has also provided some very good ideas and informative stuff along the way too.

In fact, his contributions are some of my favourites, and I look forward to more from him.  :) 

Just a last comment on the whole Yoda thing from me.  I remember when I first read that a 'younger' Yoda design was going to be making an appearance in the then upcoming 'The Phantom Menace' prequel, thinking this would be a fantastic thing, considering he'd been such a great character.  I then remember wondering how he would turn out...and remember coming across this shot of the new Yoda sculpt, which I thought looked rather neat and badass -   http://www.dinocafe.com/gaz/Yoda.jpg

Then I eventually saw the version that ended up in the movie...and wondered what the hell happened to the look of the sculpt I'd previously seen! -   http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4928/tpm-yoda4.jpg

At least the follow-up CGI design looks like it could probably age into the original classic look, thankfully.

And Adywan's tweaked Yoda looks to be the best of all.  Speaking of 'badass' Yodas, check these out, lol. -

http://www.alexandgregory.com/images/Darth%20yoda.jpg

http://www.owensworld.com/funnyimages/files/1167_yoda_big.jpg

doubleofive said:

 As for Yoda's wobbly ears, I also recall them specifically mentioning in the AoftC bonus features that they tried to replicate it in the CG model.  So by that logic, its officially not a limitation of the puppet, but a character trait of Yoda.

Ah, that's good then.  I guess I didn't recall that detail on the prequel one, as I'd 'switched off' a bit after The Phantom Menace...  Sure hope George puts out the CGI replacement instead of the puppet on the inevitable next re-release of TPM, before Ady gets round to that one though!

Monroville said:

Even, then, it is not natural that a living thing has wobbly ears, being that I do not know any human or mammal whose ears wobble when they move.

 I guess creatures like Yoda could evolve differently in galaxies far, far, away...  ;)

But seriously, I know what you mean with the slight 'vibration' thing, but considering what Adywan's now done with his latest tweaks, I personally think this is no biggie anymore.  It's perhaps a pity that this hadn't been implemented into the CGI Yoda ears in the prequels, even, to tie it in with the wonderful OT version better.   

By the way Monroville, you had some interesting comments on the whole Tauntaun eyes / ears / nose thing there, but unlike the production photo shown above, the actual footage only seems to have the briefest, moving glimpses of the likes of the nostrils, so it's none too obvious.  And although a lot of it is a moot point now, I liked reading some of your recent AT-AT battle 'what if' ideas too.

Anyway, the main thing I want to say is -  THE YODA 'PUPPET' BLINKS AT LAST!!

Wonderful, and more than once at that, during the latest clip.  Thankyou very much Adywan, as this has been a great start to the New Year where your project is concerned.  The subtlety of where you positioned them is perfect, and doesn't detract from the look of the excellent OT Yoda one bit. 

There's just one other place I'd have liked to have seen just one more in your scene, and that is at some point during when he walks sideways to our viewpoint, as he says "...for 800 years have I trained Jedi...my own council will I keep on who is to be trained."   However, this has turned out more than I could have wished for, and I imagine that there will be other subtle ones in some of his others scenes too, in future.  :)   Excellent stuff.  

Don't know how others here will feel about this, but I was impressed by the recent overhaul of the Fanedit.org homepage.  It now sports a more classy look to it, with a new logo typeface that presents an improved impact when you first visit there now.

It's just a thought, but what do others here feel about a similar enhancement to this beloved site's homepage too?  Perhaps with an enlarged OriginalTrilogy.com logo (whether redesigned or not) and bigger Star Wars character headshots also, for more of an impact when reaching this site?  It could be an opportunity to amend some of the initial information on the homepage too, if it's deemed necessary.

Any thoughts either way?

I sense great anger in you...

This has been an informative and entertaining page.  Thanks skyjedi2005 and the rest of you guys.  :)

I treasure my 4 disc anthology boxset.  Oh, and JEDI ROCKS! still doesn't...

As a huge fan of soundtrack music (well, the good 'uns anyway), I hope I can catch the forthcoming Star Wars Saga concert this year.  Just a pity it's not the actual London Symphony Orchestra involved...  Should still be epic stuff.

For myself, it was the realisation that where the original trilogy had been epic but 'child-like', the prequels were overblown and needlessly too 'childish' in places.

That, and the suspect new designs in certain areas...and the eye-rolling line delivery in places...

Still, cannot wait to see what Adywan will do with them eventually!  A new hope indeed...  :)

That is very good news to hear, congratulations. 

And so is the news that you are getting nearer to the end of your project.  It will be worth whatever the wait, I'm sure. 

A Happy New Year to you also.

adywan said:

 The At-At's were only sent down to knock out the shield generator. They weren't sent to wipe out the rebels at all. The original assault was from the Stardestroyers and was supposed to be a surprise attack. The Empire is quite cocky about their superiority over the rebels so i really don't think they would have sent a whole attack force down there just to destroy a shield. The Stardestroyers became a blockade and they were confident that they could stop all the escaping rebel ships.

Thanks for your latest interesting comments.  Once again, you've given a very logical reasoning to these particular sequence of events.  Good stuff.  5 AT-AT's (and possibly the AT-ST still) it is then, but with extra 'oomph'.

Sorry to hear that the odd Yoda eyeblink doesn't seem to be working out, but never mind.

And hopefully you can get as talented a collaborator as Will Martin was.  Fingers crossed.

adywan said:

i just want to wish everyone on here a Happy New Year.

So what do we all wish for in 2009?

I guess what we all want is the OUT released on Blu-ray & DVD fully restored with no horrible colour corrections.

What we will probably get is another rehash DVD box set release of the SE & GOUT. But i guess we can be hopeful

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

I'll echo that, and drink to that...again!

Actually, what I'm most looking forward to, that's Star Wars-related, is your current EMPIRE:R project.  :)

Oh, and I'd really like to catch that big John Williams / Star Wars concert this year.  Pity it's not the actual London Symphony Orchestra though... 

OzoneSherrif said:

hard for me to believe that someone could survive a dunk in lava. instant melt

The (dark side of the) Force was strong with him at this point.  ;)

Some fine subtle work on Yoda's mouth movements there.  :) 

While the original puppet is mainly excellent in it's overall facial movements, and doesn't need any radical adjustments, it would be really neat to see just even one (or two) blink(s) throughout the likes of these long close-up scenes with him, to give even more life to the 'puppet' eyes, and tie-in with the multi-blinking cgi versions even more.  Your Cantina characters were nicely subtle, and the effect dramatically improved things.

And loving the 'Adywanified' colour of things as usual.

Monroville said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I think the most that needs to be done is adding in a couple shots of AT-STs going ahead of the AT-ATs to take care of the Rebels in trenches.  I've always wondered why they didn't do that - send the smaller AT-STs ahead to make way for the big AT-ATs.

SImple: budget. George and company no doubt wanted to do more, but being 1980 and the limits on technology and what money they had to spend, could only offer what we see.  That doesn't mean anybody should overload the film with anything, but let's all remember the whole point of the SEs to begin with was Lucas' attempt to bring them "up to date".

 

 On the other hand, those suggested foremost AT-ST's still weren't added to the later SE versions.  Perhaps because that was never an option, because they would detract from the reveal of the wonderful scale of the more gigantic AT-AT designs?  ...and because the AT-AT's themselves were not exactly thought to have needed the smaller AT-ST's to clear a way for them, since they were considered to be mostly impervious to the Rebel's firepower, and pretty overpowering themselves.

Darth Mallwalker said:

ImperialFighter said:

 someone to DL some copies in the U.K. 

 

Language barrier I guess, but I'm not sure what you mean by "DL" ?

It's a single layer disc.

And anyone, UK or not, can download the copy Moth3r posted. I've now finished DL'ing it -- caligula still want a copy ?

Ah, I've misunderstood.  I thought Jambe meant he was looking for someone to do some Dual Layer copies of a PAL version of this to PIF onwards to members in the U.K., when he asked for someone to circulate copies here.  

I also didn't realise this is only a single layer release.  Thanks for confirming that.

ImperialFighter said:

 First, an admission! -  In hindsight, my wish above to still have Adywan's enhanced reveal shot of nine AT-AT's on show at the beginning was just plain wrong!....because the shot does not fit in as comfortably as I first thought, after all.  

On checking out the whole scene a couple of times since then, it actually doesn't make sense to include it anymore, if Ady has indeed decided not to include any extra additional AT-AT's throughout the whole battle now.  The fact is that we only see two AT-AT's destroyed, and only see three (including General Veer's one) survive the snowspeeder / Luke Skywalker onslaught throughout, with what does indeed seem like only a sum total of five AT-AT's (not counting the AT-ST) onscreen during the scenes on show. 

Therefore, I now hope Ady just uses the original, unenhanced shot of only five AT-AT's coming over the ridge at the start, if he is leaving the actual numbers during the battle as they are. (I've really come round to the removal of the 'red' window glow now, as it seems be too big for the narrow slit of the front AT-AT it was placed on anyway!)  

Personally, I'm more than okay with his latest decision not to add more AT-AT's, as the actual imagery already looks great in the main, and it's a huge ask to expect the work that extra numbers would involve at the end of the day.  Anyway, as Luke comments at one point "That armour's too strong for blasters"-  which indicates the AT-AT's are thought to be mostly impervious to the likes of Rebel snowspeeder fire-power, so the Empire could be confident that five of them (plus an AT-ST) is more than sufficient to reach the Power Generator. 

And on the other hand, more could have been planned (or have been in transit) to be sent down also, in an unseen-by-us 'follow-up wave' to support this first batch at the end of the day, since General Veers tells Vader's hologram "Yes Lord Vader, I've reached the main Power Generators.  The Shield will be down in moments, you may start your landing." 

We didn't see if he came in another AT-AT or 'something else' at the end of the day, since the ground battle cuts to different scenes involving our heroes in-between when that line is said, and when the eventual storming of the Rebel base by Vader and some Imperial Snowtroopers is shown. 

For anyone concerned that there would have been more AT-AT numbers dropped down, it is possible that they arrived from a different direction / or directions to the oncoming 5 AT-AT's we see onscreen.  The Rebel base is actually quite big and cavernous overall, with various potential escape routes, so 'another wave / or other waves' from the many Stardestroyers could conceivably have been dropped 'beyond' the Energy Shield to approach the base from another direction / or other directions too, and we just weren't shown that one / or those ones! 

On the other hand, after General Veers line, Vader and his troops could simply just have arrived in 'something else' from the same direction as the 5 onscreen AT-AT's, during the time when our attention was following the in-between scenes where we followed our heroe's progress before the base was stormed....  Take your pick.  Either way, I hope that helps. 

Regardless, there's no doubt that Adywan will add a lot of little bells and whistles and improvements throughout the existing footage, which will indeed add to the overall 'intensity' of the battle, and that it will end up looking better.  :)

As far as extra AT-ST's go, if he wants to do that, then fine, but the one we see doesn't appear until a good bit later in the battle anyway, suggesting that it might have just been 'dropped off' further back than the rest, and has only caught up now with it's faster moving steps...  Just another thought.  

Hope everyone had a good time last night.  :)

I just wanted to elaborate on a couple of things I wrote in yesterday's post on the previous page.  It only occurred to me just afterwards, but I'd hit the booze by then...  Thankfully, I'm pretty hangover-free today after it all, so thought I'd add those extra thoughts to my post.

I've highlighted the relevant new additions above in bold.  See what you think.

ImperialFighter said:

adywan said: 

Getting back to ESB, i have been looking at the new Hoth battle footage and i'm really not too sure if adding more AT-AT's is the way to go. I've been thinking and i think that the original amount is perfect. Having just a few AT-At's kick the rebels ass really shows the might of the empire. Adding more in was really just a bit of fanwank really if you think about it. Its something that goes under the category "adding it because we can". It really adds nothing. I will be making the battle more intense but not with extra AT-ATs.

However, although the Hoth ground battle is already great in many ways admittedly, I cannot wait for any little enhancements along the way that you are doing (i.e.- the improved laserblasts, firing Rebel turrets etc.).  There will be other changes no doubt, but having more actual AT-AT's on show is not such a big thing if you decide against it.  Just a thought though, does this mean that you are still initially showing the few extra ones in the initial shot as they come over the ridge, that you already completed?  I hope so, as I think that extra number that you show at the beginning, can easily tie-in with the rest of the existing AT-AT footage as is, quite comfortably.  

Just a quick check-in before some serious Hogmanay shenanigans kick in here...  :)

First, an admission! -  In hindsight, my wish above (in bold) to still have Adywan's enhanced reveal shot of nine AT-AT's on show at the beginning was just plain wrong!....because the shot does not fit in as comfortably as I first thought, after all.  

On checking out the whole scene a couple of times since then, it actually doesn't make sense to include it anymore, if Ady has indeed decided not to include any extra additional AT-AT's throughout the whole battle now.  The fact is that we only see two AT-AT's destroyed, and only see three (including General Veer's one) survive the snowspeeder / Luke Skywalker onslaught throughout, with what does indeed seem like only a sum total of five AT-AT's (not counting the AT-ST) onscreen during the scenes on show. 

Therefore, I now hope Ady just uses the original, unenhanced shot of only five AT-AT's coming over the ridge at the start, if he is leaving the actual numbers during the battle as they are. (I've really come round to the removal of the 'red' window glow now, as it seems be too big for the narrow slit of the front AT-AT it was placed on anyway!)  

Personally, I'm more than okay with his latest decision not to add more AT-AT's, as the actual imagery already looks great in the main, and it's a huge ask to expect the work that extra numbers would involve at the end of the day.  Anyway, as Luke comments at one point "That armour's too strong for blasters"-  which indicates the AT-AT's are thought to be mostly impervious to the likes of Rebel snowspeeder fire-power, so the Empire could be confident that five of them (plus an AT-ST) is more than sufficient to reach the Power Generator. 

And on the other hand, more could have been planned (or have been in transit) to be sent down also, in an unseen-by-us 'follow-up wave' to support this first batch at the end of the day, since General Veers tells Vader's hologram "Yes Lord Vader, I've reached the main Power Generators.  The Shield will be down in moments, you may start your landing." 

We didn't see if he came in another AT-AT or 'something else' at the end of the day, since the ground battle cuts to different scenes involving our heroes in-between when that line is said, and when the eventual storming of the Rebel base by Vader and some Imperial Snowtroopers is shown. 

For anyone concerned that there would have been more AT-AT numbers dropped down, it is possible that they arrived from a different direction to the oncoming 5 AT-AT's we see onscreen.  The Rebel base is actually quite big and cavernous overall, with various potential escape routes, so 'another / or other waves' from the many Stardestroyers could conceivably have been dropped 'beyond' the Energy Shield to approach the base from another direction / or other directions too, and we just weren't shown that one / or those ones! 

On the other hand, after General Veers line, Vader and his troops could simply just have arrived in 'something else' from the same direction as the 5 onscreen AT-AT's, when our attention was following the in-between scenes where we followed our heroe's progress, before the base was stormed....  Take your pick.  Either way, I hope that helps.

Regardless, there's no doubt that Adywan will add a lot of little bells and whistles and improvements throughout the existing footage, which will indeed add to the overall 'intensity' of the battle, and that it will end up looking better.  :)

As far as extra AT-ST's go, if he wants to do that, then fine, but the one we see doesn't appear until a good bit later in the battle anyway, suggesting that it might have just been 'dropped off' further back than the rest, and has only caught up now with it's faster moving steps...  Just another thought. 

As far as those interior shots of the AT-AT drivers go, I'm now 100% sure that they are all meant to be inside General Veers AT-AT!  They are certainly edited together that way, being immediately cut next to close-ups of General Veers.  If there had been some kind of shot between the differing helmet colours, then it could be argued that they are meant to be different AT-AT interiors, but the way things stand, they only come across as being General Veer's drivers to me, whether that was the intention or not....  Still would love consistency with all-RED markings, but will just be happy with any consistency if Adywan decides to take the easier route of just removing them.

It only remains for me to wish you all a very Happy Year again, and 'may yer lum aye reek' as we say here in Scotland.  Slange!  :)

Yes doubleofive, he was criminally mis-used overall in JEDI.  It will be interesting to see what everyone says about Boba's inclusion or otherwise when it comes nearer the time, and especially interesting to see what Adywan eventually decides on.

I can go either way with it at this point, but if he's totally removed, it would mean losing some neat footage of Boba's abilities where his jetpack and attachments are concerned.

Time will tell.

In the meantime, let me wish you and everyone else a very Happy New Year.  I look forward to many other good suggestions here in the future. :)

adywan said: 

Getting back to ESB, i have been looking at the new Hoth battle footage and i'm really not too sure if adding more AT-AT's is the way to go. I've been thinking and i think that the original amount is perfect. Having just a few AT-At's kick the rebels ass really shows the might of the empire. Adding more in was really just a bit of fanwank really if you think about it. Its something that goes under the category "adding it because we can". It really adds nothing. I will be making the battle more intense but not with extra AT-ATs.

As in your previous ANH:R, whatever you decide to add, or not add, is up to you, and I bow to your chosen path regardless.  Hell, anything ontop of your great re-colouration is a bonus for us anyway!

All I know is that I am a huge fan of the likes of your added ANH:R Death Star 'reveal' additions / End Battle additions which made an already great film even better.

However, although the Hoth ground battle is already great in many ways admittedly, I cannot wait for any little enhancements along the way that you are doing (i.e.- the improved laserblasts, firing Rebel turrets etc.).  There will be other changes no doubt, but having more actual AT-AT's on show is not such a big thing if you decide against it.  Just a thought though, does this mean that you are still initially showing the few extra ones in the initial shot as they come over the ridge, that you already completed?  I hope so, as I think that extra number that you show at the beginning, can easily tie-in with the rest of the existing AT-AT footage as is, quite comfortably.

Anyway, I hope to suggest a couple of things that could improve the existing footage in a few days time, that doesn't require any additional added AT-AT's.  In the meantime, let me wish you all a very Happy New Year.  Be back after the hangover!  :)   

Sevb32 said:

I think we need to think twice about changing those AT-AT driver's hemets, look at this http://web.ukonline.co.uk/bingo275/original%20atat%20helmet.htm

StarWarsHelmets.com eh?  Nice little site there Sevb32.

I always used to think that all those 'interior' shots of the AT-AT drivers were meant to be inside the General Veers AT-AT, and thought that the 'missing' red stripes on the helmets were a continuity mistake.

If they are indeed meant to show seperate interiors / AT-AT drivers, then my previous hope for red stripes to be added also is not in any way necessary now...just still preferable to me.

doubleofive said:

Really, we should take this back to the ESB/RotJ Wishlist thread.

I agree, and added my own two cents there on this one.

MCBarkingSpoon -   As far as everyone's suggestions go, it's good to hear everyone's ideas, no matter how outlandish some may seem (even some of mine!).  I'd like to think that Adywan welcomes this approach, and don't think we have to worry about him being influenced to do anything he himself doesn't like.   

A very interesting comment Adywan has just recently made on his EMPIRE:R thread is this -

The whole skiff battle will have some re-edits done to it, and I want to change Boba's death if I actually keep him in the movie, but using Jango for footage just isn't an option.

Without Ady having to elaborate on his JEDI:R edit too much at this point, with this open-ended acknowledgement, it seems he plans to do something to change the existing scene. 

While I'm not sure yet if I prefer the idea of no Boba in JEDI, as opposed to a better-edited version which includes him (i.e. perhaps without the ridiculous screaming and less 'flailing' arms and legs when his jetpack is set off by Han, and without a 'burping' Sarlacc), I'm just pleased at this point that Adywan will be improving things somewhat from the way things currently are, no matter what he prefers to do.

Personally, I always wished that the great character of Boba Fett had originally been given some sort of possible reprieve in JEDI, and would have liked him not to be shown to fall into the Sarlacc's mouth at all after he crashed into the side of Jabba's Sail Barge (or at least have exited thanks to his jetpack just after), but had instead been then glimpsed being caught up somewhat in the Barge explosion blast as our heroes escape on their skiff...with a question mark about whether he may have barely survived (although taking a good blast) by flying outwards just in time...     

Jambe Davdar said:

HI folks,

I've just dug out my Miami film festival version of Returning to Jedi.  There are some corrections and changes as well as a little additional footage that surfaced since the original release.

Anyone in the UK will to receive this disc and get copies circulating??

Thanks

JD

Hi Jambe, did you get organised with someone to DL some copies in the U.K. yet?  I'd sent you a P.M. a while back.

There have been some great suggestions by some members on this thread over the past months, and Adywan has done some tremendous work to look forward to.  I hope to have a few more things yet un-mentioned, especially concerning the 'Hoth ground battle', for Adywan to think about or shoot down, in the near future. 

In the meantime, I'd just like to wish everyone on the site, and this thread in particular, a very Happy Christmas and great New Year! 

Adywan -  Since you confirmed recently that you would be adding a subtle 'lens flare' or two into this edit too, I seem to study every one I see on t.v. now!

Anyway, I don't expect you to give away where you will eventually put them, but I thought this particular shot with Han waving, that is the culmination of the snowspeeder search, would benefit nicely from a long thin one perhaps.  Having said that, this is a static 'fixed camera' shot, and I don't know if you only want to add 'moving' ones to 'moving camera' shots, or not. 

Just a thought, as I always wished this particular shot was enhanced by something a little, even the hint of the snowspeeder's shadow just before the 'wipe' into the next scene perhaps.

By the way, if you can catch it tonight, or record it by any chance, there is the final part of a program called 'Catastrophe' on Channel 4 at 9p.m. which has been littered with some great and varied examples of 'lens flares' throughout the run.  And it's been a very interesting program to boot.