Octorox, someone said they liked the edits done by 'Sithlord' a lot. You can read the details up at the FanEdit site, if interested.
HeKS said:OperationBedlam said:As for editing ideas, I really feel that much has been said. I'm not the kind of person that would ever share an edit I do, as I do it simply for personal enjoyment. I'm not harking on your ideas, just trying to point out that you're beating a dead horse. Give the thread a few days (even a week or two) and time to breathe. Posting everyday wondering what people's progress is will not get this edit done. The fact that no one seems to be actively editing it will also hinder progress greatly. :)
Personally, I think that coming up with the edit ideas (both issues and solutions) is significant progress and will greatly speed up the time it will take to do the actual edit. That's why I'm posting lengthy descriptions of exactly how I think scenes should be edited, even posting sample pics of the suggested edit. Not having to figure those things out at edit time will certainly speed up the work.
I've enjoyed what I've seen on this thread so far, and if something can come of it all by someone, then that's great for us all. Some nice ideas along the way too, by the way HeKS.
I'm just glad the likes of Adywan didn't feel the same way as OperationBedlam did here, or we'd never have even seen his 'Star Wars:Revisited', or much else from anyone.... ;)
Lasershwert, those latest 'colour correction' shots really seem to make this whole thing look a lot better already. Terrific stuff.
Like Adywan's work, I would far prefer to see the likes of what you are achieving throughout this movie, rather than the colouring that was actually put on the DVD release. This thing can yet be great! :)
I seem to remember someone posting a while back somewhere, that they had access to professional 'libraries' of 'sound FX', and that they were happy to help out with someone. Can't remember who that was at the moment, but will try to find out sometime.
And now they've detected 'Methane' on Mars (caused by some kind of bacteria presumably....or Martian cows).
Can it be long before 'Gort' pays us all a visit?.... ;)
Interesting to see others views on this one. Personally, I think there has been a kind of 'diluting' of the greatness that the Original Trilogy was once held in by the masses. Between the Prequels, the cartoons, and the videogames, there seems to have been an 'over-saturation' of new Star Wars characters and events (not necessarily better) on show, since the terrific originals were held in such high regard.
As far as the original versions, since their poor 'creative choices' in their transfer to DVD (both SE and GOUT forms), I am only really excited about them again in Adywan's treatment (and future proposed treatment, which I have no doubts, will be excellent) of the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels.
Unfortunately, I wish that his treatment of 'SW:Revisited' and what comes next, could be the versions that were 'out there' in the public domain for EVERYONE. Too bad that only a small percentage of Star Wars fans will ever know about these, or see them. Lucky us then! :)
As far as any more future Star Wars-related product from George Lucas now, I am looking forward to see if he can improve on his OT a bit for it's Blu-ray unveiling, and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how his 'live-action' TV series works out. What I am REALLY looking forward too also, on the 'official product' front though, will be the eventual 3D theatrical releases.... That should be worth a watch or two, I reckon.
adywan said:Ok well i have tweaked Yoda a little bit more. If i do any more then its going to become overdone.
YOUTUBE VERSION (but i would recommend the downloadable version above due to better quality)
Tobar, that's good that your friend couldn't tell what was different from the original, as this just confirms that Adywan's subtle enhancements have not overpowered the look of the excellent 'puppet' Yoda. It has made a big improvement however, so just tell him that there are now a few 'blinks', as well as some amendment to his mouth when speaking, and some slight facial tweaks too.
I think that it's just the above 'clip' that has been shown with the tweaks, and that any previous Yoda clips that were previously released, only show 'colour correction' to their scenes.
Ganamae, you'll be pleased to know that Adywan does indeed plan to amend that particular 'Rebel trench' background shot. This will be a very nice one to see, as this 'continuity error' was always an annoying one.
This has been a public service announcement.
Sevb32 said:ImperialFighter said:DF Shadow said:If I remember correctly in the SE DVD the consistency of the millennium falcon when entering cloud city is off. The falcon is thinner in the the new CG shots and thicker in the old shots. I think this is most obvious when it lands on the platform.
Once the ship has docked it's back to it's usual thickness.
Something to look at AdY?
I'd forgotten about this one. I seem to remember thinking that too, when I saw the new SE footage where it's being escorted by the 'twin-pods' towards the landing platform. The new MF looked a bit 'flattened' in that shot, for some reason.
I just though it was the angles of the falcon, and I love those cloud city fly through shots.
Having had a proper look at those 'approach' shots again Sevb32, I do now agree that it just seems to be the 'angles' that we see of the CGI Falcon, and that it is actually fine. Strange, how I seemed to remember a 'flattened' look originally, but I guess that's the CGI effect in some way. I happen to like those particular additional shots too.
....so it doesn't suddenly transform the saga from being fun for all the family to being FUN for all the family. - Bingowings. Nice. :)
doubleofive said:ImperialFighter said:I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately. Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have like to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."
Do Jedi call their attacks like anime ninja? ;-P
Ha ha, nice one! :)
It was meant to have read - ....I'd have liked to have seen him 'force throw' even the Emperor near him, against the wall....
BarBar Jinkx said:For me the scene where Vader is being "put back together" on the table & he is knocking away the med droids bugs the sith out of me
if the audio of his perfectly healthy moans of pain was replaced with that of a person barely able to breath it would be enough for me (I will mention this in the future when Ady gets around to doing Ep III) what do you guys think?
sorry for the off topic post but this has bugged me since I saw the movie in the cinema
TMBTM mentioned 'wheezing' something like this on page 10 of 'The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread', and I like this thought.
I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately. Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have liked to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."
jones1899 said:Surely you understand the difference between somebody who takes a crash course in such software as opposed to the quality you get from an experienced professional. No edit is worth doing unless it is entirely seamless.
I have to agree with this too, when it comes to re-watching an edit you love. The first time's fine for the curiousity value, but it's just plain distracting if it's riddled with bad edits throughout. There is a certain fan edit (which shall remain nameless) of a sorely disappointing movie, that has some fantastic editing ideas / choices throughout.
Unfortunately, although this edit improved on the poorer original version immensely, I just can't watch it again now, nor recommend it to others, since it has been badly cut too many times between the scenes, giving lots of 'pops' and 'clicks', and abruptly interrupted sound / sound fx etc. throughout.
I do believe that Indy 4 can be tweaked to be a far more enjoyable watch by some of the guys here, and I just hope someone with some decent editing skills / programs does work on it.
Oh, and doubleofive, I haven't even bought it yet either, since I was so under-whelmed at the time I saw it in the cinema! You made a good point there, by the way. However, I intend to now, to see some of the ideas that have been thrown about here so far, and in the hope there is a decent edit by someone one day.... :)
Baronlando said:It seems like Lucas really doesn't feel like paying for the 3D thing until it becomes more cheap and commonplace.
I just started a topic thread that has a link with some interesting info. on how 3D is currently moving along on the 'movie' front. It might be relevant to what George's current plans for his saga in this format are going to be.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-Star-Wars-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/
The eventual 'Blu-rays' of the saga will be nice and all that (although I get the feeling that I'm going to still prefer Adywan's eventual 'Revisited' versions....), but I'm really looking forward to the possibility of seeing a 3D theatrical release of the Star Wars movies in my lifetime too.
The new-fangled 'conversion' process of turning existing 2D movies into 3D ones, that George has done tests with, is already successfully being used on other movies.
Anyway, what with 'Avatar' and many other potential 3D blockbusters in the pipeline, I thought I'd ask what others here happen to think of a new generation (as well as themselves!) being exposed to a 3D version of the saga back on the 'big screen' eventually....
Heres a couple of interesting links by the way. First, a recent story on 3D movie development - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/business/media/12film.html?_r=2
and this great site on various 3D developments in general (warning: quite a few AVATAR 'spoilers' here) - http://marketsaw.blogspot.com
DarthBo said:I was just under the impression (or hoping) that the transformation would be cut, so I could watch the saga in chronological order without knowing for sure who Vader is until episode V.
Wow, I don't remember reading that anywhere! I'd hope to see the 'transformation' into the suit in some sort of 'Adywaned' way....
Edit: Although if that's what's been decided, then I see how that could also work. I just like the imagery of the scene I suppose (apart from the current exaggerated "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"), and I've been used to always recommending 'newbies' to the saga, to watch the OT first anyway, in the order they were first released theatrically....
I hope to be able to revise this advice, one day, when Adywan has done his stuff to it all. :)
Surely we'd still be seeing the 'transformation' in some sort of manner by the end of Episode III, Darthbo? So we'd certainly know this by that point in the saga, no matter how much Adywan changes things. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean?
Edit: I think I did misunderstand, lol.
DF Shadow said:If I remember correctly in the SE DVD the consistency of the millennium falcon when entering cloud city is off. The falcon is thinner in the the new CG shots and thicker in the old shots. I think this is most obvious when it lands on the platform.
Once the ship has docked it's back to it's usual thickness.
Something to look at AdY?
I'd forgotten about this one. I seem to remember thinking that too, when I saw the new SE footage where it's being escorted by the 'twin-pods' towards the landing platform. The new MF looked a bit 'flattened' in that shot, for some reason.
And you're right about the 'transparency' issues throughout this thing doubleofive, some of it seems very evident at times. Were now beginning to 'see through' a lot of the work that was done by LFL for these 2004 SEs, I think. ;) I've got all your latest shots through now, thanks.
I'm happy to accept that title graciously, where these OT edits are concerned, lol.
ImperialFighter said:Monroville said:The shots are correct, it just seems that the bridge shot needs to be flipped. If you notice right after the bridge shot, Needa's SD (the one in the middle) is making evasive manuevering and heading downwards, while the SD on the left (and his right) is heading upwards so that they will miss each other. Regardless, the SD that is about to hit Needa is on Needa's right, not left.
Yes, I reckon now that the single Stardestroyer could have just 'veered' towards the one on it's RIGHT-hand side in the intervening cut (although it seems to have done it rather quickly!), and I'm agreeing that the 'interior' shot would be the easiest to 'flip' or alter. You are right that it does indeed seem that the single Stardestroyer is slightly lower than the other 2, as it first approaches, and the Millennium Falcon initially dives downwards.
Screenshots will be helpful for this one.
Monroville, having had a proper look at this whole sequence now, there are a few comments I'd like to make on it all, and so I'm going to ask doubleofive to give me the specific shots I need, when he can.
But just to say for now, that I now think we were both wrong, and that the 'interior' shot of Captain Needa's Stardestroyer 'Avenger' is probably okay the way round it is currently, and doesn't need 'flipping' after all.... I'll explain why eventually, as well as suggesting a couple of 'alternative' tweaks that would also work, where that particular moment is concerned.
Joshua_Blue, I always look on it as Vader merely 'swiping' at Luke just enough to 'unbalance' him, and make him have to move backwards a little, so that he'll fall into the carbon freeze opening....which he does.
ImperialFighter said:Just a tiny, somewhat insignificant thing in the scheme of things really, but on the SE's the very front of the 'prongs' of the Millennium Falcon seemed a little dodgy the way they were matted against the large asteroid that enters the left of the frame as it passes against it in the 'side-on' banking shot....as is the actual cockpit too, when seen against this big asteroid. Any chance of a tidy-up Ady? It's so brief, it's only noticeable with 'freeze-framing', so no biggie though.
Just ignore this recent particular comment please, as it really is a nit-pick TOO far, lol.
Monroville said:The shots are correct, it just seems that the bridge shot needs to be flipped. If you notice right after the bridge shot, Needa's SD (the one in the middle) is making evasive manuevering and heading downwards, while the SD on the left (and his right) is heading upwards so that they will miss each other. Regardless, the SD that is about to hit Needa is on Needa's right, not left.
Yes, I reckon now that the single Stardestroyer could have just 'veered' towards the one on it's RIGHT-hand side in the intervening cut (although it seems to have done it rather quickly!), and I'm agreeing that the 'interior' shot would be the easiest to 'flip' or alter. You are right that it does indeed seem that the single Stardestroyer is slightly lower than the other 2, as it first approaches, and the Millennium Falcon initially dives downwards.
Screenshots will be helpful for this one.
Monroville said:re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34
from 0:30 to 0:45.
I know Needa's SD is the one in the middle, and that he has one SD on either side, but when you see the bridge shot at 0:36, should the shot be flipped (being that the SD that's closest to him is the one on his right side, not left)?Going from our viewpoint as the audience, Needa is heading north and the other 2 SDs are going south (sounds kinda dirty...). Going by the position of the bridge, also facing north, the SD on the left side (just about touching Needa's SD) would be on Needa's right side.
Could anyone post some screen captures?
Monroville's absolutely right that there is something off, here....
We initially see the single Stardestroyer about to go in-between the middle of two oncoming Stardestroyers, just as the Millennium Falcon first dives downwards, followed by the Ties. It could be argued that the single Stardestroyer looks like it is positioned roughly equal distance in the middle of the other oncoming 2, in this shot.
However, in the following shot where we are directly below, and looking upwards at the undersides of the 3 Stardestroyers (as the Millennium Falcon and Ties come towards our viewpoint)....it looks as if the single Stardestroyer has gone slightly underneath the prow of the RIGHT-hand one....
Which then makes the 'interior' shot wrong! Unless the shots of the Stardestroyers from below are altered, I'd suggest it might be good to 'flip' the 'interior' shot (or alter what's seen in it's windows), as the other shots can't be 'flipped' because then the 'cockpit' of the Millennium Falcon would be on the wrong side then.
Interesting, as I hadn't picked up on this one before.
Perhaps doubleofive or someone can provide a couple of shots at some point to show everyone here how it currently looks?
ladyferry said:I don't know if anyone has said this but are you going to use the 'asteroid' sequence from the menu of the Empire DVD from 2004? and the 'Bespin' sequence too? Has anyone got these vids on youtube as I can'y find them? Both sequences would be amazing to incorporate into the Revisited cut.
I seem to remember someone mentioned these long ago, and agree that there are a couple of nice individual elements during those menus. Especially most of the Millennium Falcon in the 'asteroids' one.
By the way, I can't wait to see what Adywan can do to improve / replace the dreadful 'Tie Fighters exploding in the asteroid crevice' shots!....
And I meant to say thanks for your continued quick uploading of the recent clips to your collection, ladyferry. Thanks. :)
I'd forgotten to add in my previous comments, that while I might have preferred the removal of the 'orange glow' on the big asteroid altogether, or have had it toned down with a hint of debris....that I ALSO really like the enlarged small asteroid that crashes into it now, as it is far more noticeable than before. Good subtle improvement there.
....watches latest EXTENDED 'Asteroid Chase' clip.... **FAINTS** and falls to floor....
Jeez Adywan, we're all running out of superlatives here! :)
We're watching a genius at work here, I reckon...just look at the difference between doubleofive's captures of the 2004 SE DVD version and Ady's 'Revisited' version....
I LOVE it!! The Ties now 'firing' in those shots are terrific, as is the grey colouring. The Ties are my favourite design in the whole saga (naturally), so I'm well pleased!
And it's just so great to see something approximating the 'depth' of the brown asteroid field again, and your tweaking to the explosion at the end really DOES throw out that unfortunate Pilot into relief better than was previously seen.
Just a tiny, somewhat insignificant thing in the scheme of things really, but on the SE's the very front of the 'prongs' of the Millennium Falcon seemed a little dodgy the way they were matted against the large asteroid that enters the left of the frame as it passes against it in the 'side-on' banking shot....as is the actual cockpit too, when seen against this big asteroid. Any chance of a tidy-up Ady? It's so brief, it's only noticeable with 'freeze-framing', so no biggie though.
He's ontop of that one too vaderios. See number 39 of his list on page 1.
HeKS, personally, I'd certainly like you to post any ideas you have on this. I hope to list a few of my own preferences on some of the great ideas so far, at some point too.
Ah, thanks for the info. Moth3r. If he's keeping the existing logo/'headshots' header, then I hope it's going to be enlarged somewhat.