ImperialFighter

Adywan, I don't know how important the 'continuity problems' in this sequence below are to you, but here's a more detailed look at certain 'STARDESTROYER 'AVENGER' CHASING THE MILLENNIUM FALCON' scenes for you and anyone else interested to look at, since it was proposed recently that the 'Avenger's' Bridge 'interior' shot is the wrong way round...  (I've always really liked the shots in this scene, but some scrutiny does throw up a few little moments that could be improved a bit possibly.  Perhaps you can check to see if you agree with some of the following thoughts, where the 'positioning' of certain Stardestroyer elements are concerned.  Whether you then change anything is up to you, as always)  

Bear with me, as some of this stuff 'aint easy to get across.  Because some of the shots in this sequence are brief, and since it is tricky to try to explain certain things about this whole thing clearly, I needed quite a few specific screenshots to better show what I mean.  So I'd like to thank doubleofive once again for his sterling efforts on my behalf, in getting those to me.  :)

Firstly, here's a link below to the scene in question, for everyone to see the current onscreen 'movements', 'pacing', and 'editing' of the relevant shots again, that screenshots alone can't convey properly.  (Note: this is an older clip, and only has Ady's colour correction and great new 'camera shake' on show.  He has since improved on it, adding the likes of new TIE lasers during the asteroids, among other things!) 

The shots I'm going to go through in this instance, only occur between approx. 15 secs. - 45 secs. into the clip - 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp8mKFxmbg&feature=PlayList&p=4DB0EA9A58709519&index=34

I'm now going to show the start, middle, and end of certain individual shots, in the correct sequence of order they appear (along with 'descriptions' of any intervening shots that are not shown here), so that things can be scrutinised easier -

TO RECAP -  At approx. 15 secs. into the above clip, we see a 'close-up' shot of Leia and Han inside the Millennium Falcon's cockpit as it is being chased by Captain Needa's Stardestroyer 'Avenger' (the 'Avenger' is seen going after the Falcon since it tried to evade the Stardestroyer 'blockade' above the Hoth planet).  During this 'close-up' shot of Han and Leia, we see Han saying to Chewbacca - "I saw them! I saw them!"  Leia, who is seated behind Han, and who has been distracted looking over at what Chewie is doing, then gets up and leans over Han, asking - "Saw what?" before the shot ends.

When the shot above ends, we then immediately cut to the single shot (shown in Shots 1 and 2) below, where Han points quickly towards the front-left of the cockpit with his left hand, answering - "Stardestroyers, two of them coming right at us." 

Shot 1  (The start of the FIRST 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot, which lasts approx. 2 secs. - this is the shot described just above) -            

Shot 2  (Near the end of the FIRST 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot)     Note: The Stardestroyer on our right goes up just slightly higher yet, before the shot completely ends.    

When we first see them during this shot above , the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers are VERY close together, and the one on our RIGHT nearest to Chewie, rises UPWARDS from it's lower starting position at the start of the shot, and ends up 'somewhat level' with the other one, by the end of the shot.  This is the 'oncoming' Stardestroyer that the Stardestroyer 'Avenger will end up underneath shortly.... 

(due to the cockpit 'window spar' shaking in front of them both, I was never sure if the one on our LEFT actually went LOWER....but I checked by holding a pen horizontally underneath them, against my TV screen!)

***  However, to avoid cluttering-up the 'sequence of order' of all these shots, and to hopefully confuse things a little less, I will need to post a short FOLLOW-UP comment (along with a reference shot I want to show from elsewhere) after these ones, which will concentrate on the first shot above only, shown by Shots 1 and 2.  (I will be coming back to the 'pen' before then, though...)  ***     

Okay, to continue on....when the shot above ends, we then immediately cut to a viewpoint inside the Falcon's cockpit again (NOT shown here), but this time our viewpoint is of various 'close-ups' of Chewie, Leia, Han, and C3PO (these 'close-up' shots last approx. 10 secs. in total), where we see C3PO now enter behind them into the cockpit, saying - "Sir! Sir! Might I suggest--", before Han cuts him off, telling Leia - "Shut him up or shut him down!", before then telling Chewie - "Check the deflector shield.", and then saying - "Great, well we can still outmanoeuvre them." 

When these 10 secs. worth of 'close-up' Falcon crew shots (described above) end, we then immediately cut to the single shot shown in Shots 3, 4, and 5 below. 

Shot 3  (The start of the SECOND 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot, which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

Shot 4  (The middle of the SECOND 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

Shot 5  (The end of the SECOND 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

I'll come back to the shot above shown by Shots 3, 4, and 5, shortly....  *

As this whole sequence stands at the moment, there seems to be room for a few possible improvements scattered around, but the shot above is an awkward one to judge 'distances' on, considering the way the 'angles' and 'perspectives' of the Stardestroyers in it are arranged.  (The same goes for some other 'combined' Millennium Falcon/Stardestroyer shots in the movie, too!)

As a way of having a proper 'reference point' to compare from, without spoiling the 'sequence of order' shots shown here (and so that you can understand what I'm trying to get across here a bit easier), can I ask you to now scroll down to Shot 12 near the end of this post....which shows what I consider to be the true 'EVENTUAL DISTANCE APART shot' of the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers.  This is the 'positioning' shot that I believe should ideally be used to guage the rest of the shots throughout the scene, and the one that I'm going to use here to compare all the other's for consistency against, while hopefully offering some possible improvements.  ....Oh, and once you've looked at what I mean, please come back to here, before you continue on.  :)    

So to continue on again....as you will see, it's the START of the last shot in this particular sequence....the one which shows the final moments of the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers, as they 'converge' INWARDS closer together, during their approach towards the Millennium Falcon (and the 'Avenger' chasing behind it) in a sort of 'pincer movement' (before 'diverging' OUTWARDS away from each other again, when they have to veer slightly off from each other at the critical point, and where the 'Avenger' has to dive DOWNWARDS to avoid collision). 

(Coming back to the 'pen', if you were to place 2 pens against your computer screen, aligning them correctly with the underneath 'middle lines' of the Stardestroyers shown in Shot 12....you would get a good indication of just how much of a surprising 'angle' that the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers are 'converging' at, towards each other at the start of this shot)

* Anyway, to now go back to the shot above, shown in Shots 3, 4, and 5 -

Firstly, it's difficult to tell just HOW FAR APART the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers are at the moment, in this shot.  But bearing in mind the supposed 'massiveness' of their 'scale', and the fact that the Millennium Falcon in the shot can actually fit onto the back corner of the the pursuing 'Avenger's horizontal top 'tower', with plenty of room to spare, then I reckon they appear to be reasonably far-enough apart at this point to tie-in consistantly enough with the 'eventual distance apart' shot, as shown in Shot 12.

Secondly , I also think that the shot above can be seen as giving a reasonable impression that the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers could be 'converging' INWARDS towards each other at this point too, which also eventually ties it in well with the one in Shot 12 too.

However....I don't think that the SMALL 'prow' tip that enters the frame on the left is 'positioned' HIGH ENOUGH to tie-in properly with ANY of the shots that come after it.  I reckon that if this 'prow' tip was moved a little bit HIGHER UP on the left of the frame, it would match with it's following shot shown below in Shots 6, 7, and 8 a LOT better, and give the impression that the 'Avenger's' prow COULD have cleared underneath this 'oncoming' Stardestroyer on it's RIGHT at that point (which happens BEFORE the 'evasive action' dive DOWNWARDS that then occurs in Shots 10 and 11).  The thing is, the 'Avenger' in the above shot doesn't 'dip down' in any way, and is just continuing to move forward on the same 'horizontal plane' as the 'oncoming' ones at this point, making things a little 'jarring' by the time we get to the shot that comes immediately after it, shown below, so that's why I think that the SMALL 'prow' tip should be RAISED a little here.

When the shot above shown in Shot 5 ends, we then immediately cut to the single shot shown in Shots 6, 7, and 8 below.       

Shot 6  (The start of the THIRD 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot, which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

Shot 7  (The middle of the THIRD 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

Shot 8  (The end of the THIRD 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

The shot above has a problem too, when compared to when we reach the 'eventual distance apart' one shown in Shot 12 below.

Using the principle that ALL shots of the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers that come BEFORE Shot 12 below in this sequence, should seem to be 'converging' CLOSER TOGETHER from a slightly WIDER DISTANCE APART to BEGIN with....means that the SMALL 'prow' tip that enters the TOP-RIGHT of the frame in the above shot, seems to be TOO CLOSE to the 'prow' tip of the Stardestroyer beside it at this point in the sequence, as the 'Avenger' goes undeneath in this shot.... 

I think this SMALL 'prow' tip would match-up better with Shot 12 below , if it was moved a little further along the top-right of the frame, to seem a further distance away from the 'prow' of the other 'oncoming' Stardestroyer at this point.

I also reckon that the SMALL 'prow' tip shown above is running TOO PARALLEL to the other Stardestroyer 'prow' as well, compared the 'angle' it seems to be at by the time we get to Shot 12.   So as well as needing to be moved further away, it should ALSO be at a slightly more 'converging' angle towards the other 'oncoming' Stardestroyer it's beside. 

When the shot above ends, we then immediately cut to the single shot shown in Shots 9, 10, and 11 below.

Shot 9  (The start of the FOURTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot, which lasts approx. 6 secs.) -

Shot 10  (The middle of the FOURTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -    Note: Adywan has improved on things at this point, by introducing a fine 'camera shake' effect as the 'Avenger' takes sudden 'evasive action' at this critical point, and 'dips downwards'.

Shot 11  (The end of the FOURTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

So it DOES seem like the shot above is the WRONG way round in the scheme of things in this sequence!!.... 

Adywan, I don't know if you've planned to do anymore with the shot above (or if it's even possible), or if you are happy with it the way it is after your current 'camera shake'....but it sure would be neat if you would consider giving a further tweak to this shot by perhaps trying either of the following -

EITHER keep the 'Avenger' interior 'Bridge' shot the current way round, but instead add a view of the other 'oncoming' Stardestroyer outside the windows, rather than the one it's 'supposed' to be going under now....

OR 'flip' the 'Bridge' shot into reverse, keeping the current view outside the windows, which would now be more consistent....

Unfortunately, the current shot is certainly suspect in the way it fits into the sequence, as it stands. 

(As an aside....I used to think that the 'Avenger' had a very 'near miss', and that it was the sudden 'evasive action' movement downwards at it's 'prow' tip that unbalanced all it's crewmembers.  However, having watched this shot closely again now, it does have a sort of 'collision/scraping' sound effect at this point, and on the subtitles it DOES state [CRASH] just before it states [ALARM]....so it seems it wasn't supposed to be a 'near miss' after all, but rather a slight SCRAPING TOGETHER, at this point, as they veered apart!)

Whatever you decide, for the sake of interest, I'll show a 'flipped' version of the shot above in another seperate post afterwards, so as not to clutter the 'sequence of order' here at the moment, either.

When the shot above ends, we then immediately cut to to the single shot shown in Shots 12, 13, and 14 below. 

Shot 12  (The start of the FIFTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot which lasts approx.

At last, my IDEAL 'positioning shot!

We can see in the shot above shown in Shot 12, that the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers are at their OPTIMUM 'nearest position together' at their 'prows' here, just before they start to veer apart. 

Because of the 'angle' that they are pointed towards each other at, by this time, it seems that they should have been made to be slightly WIDER APART than this shot, during ALL of the previous shots leading up to this point. 

Shot 13  (The middle of the FIFTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

In the above shot shown in Shot 13, we can now see that the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers finally start to 'diverge' APART from each other, as they eventually veer off outwards from each other, and that the 'Avenger's' prow is 'dipping downwards' in it's attempt to avoid contact with the one that came closest to it....  (I can never make up my mind about which Stardestroyer misjudged the manouevre....the 'oncoming' one....or the 'Avenger') 

Shot 14  (The end of the FIFTH 'oncoming Stardestroyers' shot) -

....and by the END of the shot above shown in Shot 14 (and the end of the sequence in general), we can clearly see the 'divergance' of the 2 'oncoming' Stardestroyers now. 

Okay, I'll now be going back to the FIRST shot in the sequence, and will post some comments and shots to do with that again shortly. 

adywan said:

I've just finished the whole Bespin landing platform scene and i'm really pleased with how its turned out.

Great!  I'm sure it's gonna look lovely.  Agreed about keeping a few surprises for your eventual release, as one of the things that was so neat about watching ANH:R for the first time was coming across the many little unexpected things throughtout the whole edit.  :)

I'll look forward to the trailer for this, as I'm a big fan of trailers in general.  I love your finished one for ANH:R, but would really like to have a version that doesn't include the one or two unused shots that were shown in it, such as the original Ben with 'lowered' shot from the duel, and the TIE 'reveal' shot,   Adywan's 'revisited' shots only!

I'll have that recent Stardestroyer business ready over the next couple of days, doubleofive.  :)

rcb said:

  i wouldn't be surprised if george lucas already knew of this.

You don't scare me with your sorceror's ways....

He might be interested in what other wonders Ady can show his team eventually....  ;)

Ziz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU_XlgpNTh8

4:45 - Joker: "Don't worry.  I'm going to tell you where they are - both of them - and that's the point.  You'll have to choose."

That's why I thought he was telling the truth about the addresses and the subsequent change was a continuity mistake.  Joker was confident that Batman couldn't save both of them so no point in lying about who was where.

Just to chip-in on this one, to say how it played out to me. 

As ShiftyEyes pointed out, Batman tells Gordon that he is going after Rachael....

Although the Joker knew he was going to hurt Batman with the fact that he was confident that he couldn't save BOTH people in time, and was happy to reveal both addresses to him.....he ALSO intended the additional, and probably worse kick in the teeth to him, by swapping the facts around, in case he did manage to reach the address of the one he wanted to personally rescue the most, in time. 

He's a mean, and tricky fellah, that Joker.  

ImperialFighter said:

 

(in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better.

Bingowings, that's the trouble with not having an exact screenshot at hand, it's sometimes difficult to get something specific across without one.  I'd tried to say that I was talking about the shot of the Millennium Falcon that comes immediately before the shot of the Falcon that I actually used. 

It's strange how the CGI Falcon shown in the flying approach shot seems a more 'thinner', 'flattened' version of the one in that 'Falcon with landing gear down' shot that I used, but as I say, I think it's a lot to do with the 'angles' where we 'look down' at the Falcon coming in to land in the previous shot, and that we should have seen a little of the 'landing gear' on that shot too, in the last moments, before it cuts to the shot I used.  

Bingowings, I take it you know that I am not referring to the shot you've shown, but to the 'flatness' that seems to come across in the previous shot, compared to this one. 

I almost forgot, as far as the SE shot of the Falcon approaching the platform, and slowing down as it is about to land on it (in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better. 

I don't have a shot of it handy, but something else to consider would be the shot of the 'stationary' Millennium Falcon that is seen immediately after the scene of 'Vader inside his black chamber', too.

When we previously saw it, the Falcon switched on bright white lights from the front of it's formost 'prongs', as it flew into the 'asteroid cave'.  This seems fine, considering the darkness of the situation, and looks good.

However, where we normally see the small 'off-centre' lights on the 'prongs' as being RED....in the 'stationary' shot of the Falcon in the 'cave', they are shown shining white.  I'd like to see these (and the hint of their glow) changed to RED too, if possible, to tie things in better with the likes of the shots on the platform.

Note: the ones on the Falcon in JEDI are inconsistent throughout it's flying inside the Deathstar II, with some shots showing RED, some WHITE, and some NONE.  If you do keep any of the 'prong' lights in JEDI, rather than remove them all (removal happens to be my own preference), then perhaps they can just be amended to be all WHITE in those JEDI shots, and keep the consistency of RED lights as being the 'stationary' , landed Falcon 'default' .  But that's all for another day.

I reckon Han had made some 'modifications' along the way, and that's why they weren't seen on the Falcon in A New Hope, by the way.  :)  

adywan said:

Hopefully i will be using a model shot for the Falcon instead of the painted matte because it lacks detail so the windows will be changed. There are actually a couple of things that i need to fix for the landing shot that i'm really surprised that ILM didn't fix for the SE. The main one is the tiny cloud car that looks like it flies right through the falcon. If they had digitally re-composited all the FX for the SE then this mistake would not still be there. I'm starting to really question the truth of what was said in all those making of the SE docs.

The other thing in that shot is that as the falcon lands on the platform you can  see the platform moves/ wobbles but the matte sections remain static. And i have already added the falcon lights to this shot but i like the idea of them turning on as it lands so i'm probably going to go with that idea.

Ha ha, I happened to only notice those 'cloud car' and slight 'platform wobble' problems myself last night, but had convinced myself that I was imagining things, and that the 'shadow movements' of the Millennium Falcon in the above shot were giving an 'optical illusion' in some way.  Good to know I wasn't seeing things that weren't there. 

This 'model' thing you mention, that will improve the look of the cockpit 'windows' too, sounds awesome by the way.  :) 

I'm glad you happen to like the idea of the lights switching on, once it actually has landed, Adywan.  Can I suggest it might look good if they just come on at the same time that the Millennium Falcon's 'landing gear' 'depresses' down onto the platform (indicating it's FULLY landed), which happens just after the 'jets' shoot out.  They would still be seen long enough for a subtle moment, before the shot cuts to the next one of Han emerging.  If you personally prefer that they come on at a point before this, cool beans, as I'm just glad they will be seen in this shot somewhere.

Ripplin said:

Oh, I've told a lot of people, too, but I haven't exactly rung up Skywalker Ranch... Haha.

Let's hope Peter Mayhew isn't phoning George regularly about how superior it is, and how he 'got a medal' after all....  ;)

I suppose it would depend on how much ALL the 'editors' involved could actually agree on ALL the decisions wanted by each other....  ;)

Some more great work there Adywan, thanks for the preview.  Just lovin' the vibrancy of the colour, and the look of the sky in your version.  The work on the buildings looks great also, of course.

Although your shots there aren't finished yet, I'm curious to see if you are going to be amending the look of the Millennium Falcon's cockpit windows in any of these shots.  For instance, in the shot at the top here, the windows are totally blackened out (which I quite like in that actual shot), whereas in the other two shots shown here, one has a 'reflective' look, while the other has a 'grey' look.

Just curious if you are keeping the current looks, or not.  Happy either way.

Oh, and have you considered if it would be an idea to add the 2 red lights at the end of the MF's front 'prongs' to come on, somewhere when it lands, in the top shot?  Just another thought to think over. 

Ganamae said:

Phwew !

Thats good ;) hehe was kinda worried there.

And you could have saved yourself some more, had you spotted my reply to you on the previous page yesterday....  ;)

Octorox, someone said they liked the edits done by 'Sithlord' a lot.  You can read the details up at the FanEdit site, if interested.

HeKS said:

OperationBedlam said:

As for editing ideas, I really feel that much has been said.  I'm not the kind of person that would ever share an edit I do, as I do it simply for personal enjoyment.  I'm not harking on your ideas, just trying to point out that you're beating a dead horse.  Give the thread a few days (even a week or two) and time to breathe.  Posting everyday wondering what people's progress is will not get this edit done.  The fact that no one seems to be actively editing it will also hinder progress greatly.  :)

 

Personally, I think that coming up with the edit ideas (both issues and solutions) is significant progress and will greatly speed up the time it will take to do the actual edit. That's why I'm posting lengthy descriptions of exactly how I think scenes should be edited, even posting sample pics of the suggested edit. Not having to figure those things out at edit time will certainly speed up the work.

I've enjoyed what I've seen on this thread so far, and if something can come of it all by someone, then that's great for us all.  Some nice ideas along the way too, by the way HeKS. 

I'm just glad the likes of Adywan didn't feel the same way as OperationBedlam did here, or we'd never have even seen his 'Star Wars:Revisited', or much else from anyone....  ;)

Lasershwert, those latest 'colour correction' shots really seem to make this whole thing look a lot better already.  Terrific stuff. 

Like Adywan's work, I would far prefer to see the likes of what you are achieving throughout this movie, rather than the colouring that was actually put on the DVD release.  This thing can yet be great!  :)

I seem to remember someone posting a while back somewhere, that they had access to professional 'libraries' of 'sound FX', and that they were happy to help out with someone.  Can't remember who that was at the moment, but will try to find out sometime.

And now they've detected 'Methane' on Mars (caused by some kind of bacteria presumably....or Martian cows). 

Can it be long before 'Gort' pays us all a visit?....  ;)

Interesting to see others views on this one.  Personally, I think there has been a kind of 'diluting' of the greatness that the Original Trilogy was once held in by the masses.  Between the Prequels, the cartoons, and the videogames, there seems to have been an 'over-saturation' of new Star Wars characters and events (not necessarily better) on show, since the terrific originals were held in such high regard.

As far as the original versions, since their poor 'creative choices' in their transfer to DVD (both SE and GOUT forms), I am only really excited about them again in Adywan's treatment (and future proposed treatment, which I have no doubts, will be excellent) of the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels. 

Unfortunately, I wish that his treatment of 'SW:Revisited' and what comes next, could be the versions that were 'out there' in the public domain for EVERYONE.  Too bad that only a small percentage of Star Wars fans will ever know about these, or see them.  Lucky us then!  :)

As far as any more future Star Wars-related product from George Lucas now, I am looking forward to see if he can improve on his OT a bit for it's Blu-ray unveiling, and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how his 'live-action' TV series works out.  What I am REALLY looking forward too also, on the 'official product' front though, will be the eventual 3D theatrical releases....  That should be worth a watch or two, I reckon.    

adywan said:

Ok well i have tweaked Yoda a little bit more. If i do any more then its going to become overdone.

FINAL YODA TWEAKED

YOUTUBE VERSION (but i would recommend the downloadable version above due to better quality)

Tobar, that's good that your friend couldn't tell what was different from the original, as this just confirms that Adywan's subtle enhancements have not overpowered the look of the excellent 'puppet' Yoda.  It has made a big improvement however, so just tell him that there are now a few 'blinks', as well as some amendment to his mouth when speaking, and some slight facial tweaks too. 

I think that it's just the above 'clip' that has been shown with the tweaks, and that any previous Yoda clips that were previously released, only show 'colour correction' to their scenes.

Ganamae, you'll be pleased to know that Adywan does indeed plan to amend that particular 'Rebel trench' background shot.  This will be a very nice one to see, as this 'continuity error' was always an annoying one. 

This has been a public service announcement. 

Sevb32 said:

ImperialFighter said:

DF Shadow said:

If I remember correctly in the SE DVD the consistency of the millennium falcon when entering cloud city is off. The falcon is thinner in the the new CG shots and thicker in the old shots. I think this is most obvious when it lands on the platform.

Once the ship has docked it's back to it's usual thickness.

 

Something to look at AdY?

 

I'd forgotten about this one. I seem to remember thinking that too, when I saw the new SE footage where it's being escorted by the 'twin-pods' towards the landing platform. The new MF looked a bit 'flattened' in that shot, for some reason.

 

I just though it was the angles of the falcon, and I love those cloud city fly through shots.

Having had a proper look at those 'approach' shots again Sevb32, I do now agree that it just seems to be the 'angles' that we see of the CGI Falcon, and that it is actually fine.  Strange, how I seemed to remember a 'flattened' look originally, but I guess that's the CGI effect in some way.  I happen to like those particular additional shots too.

....so it doesn't suddenly transform the saga from being fun for all the family to being FUN for all the family. - Bingowings.  Nice.  :)

doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter said:

I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately.  Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have like to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."

 

Do Jedi call their attacks like anime ninja? ;-P

 

Ha ha, nice one!  :) 

It was meant to have read - ....I'd have liked to have seen him 'force throw' even the Emperor near him, against the wall....

BarBar Jinkx said:

For me the scene where Vader is being "put back together" on the table & he is knocking away the med droids bugs the sith out of me 

if the audio of his perfectly healthy moans of pain was replaced with that of a person barely able to breath it would be enough for me (I will mention this in the future when Ady gets around to doing Ep III) what do you guys think?

 sorry for the off topic post but this has bugged me since I saw the movie in the cinema

TMBTM mentioned 'wheezing' something like this on page 10 of 'The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread', and I like this thought.

I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately.  Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have liked to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."

jones1899 said:

Surely you understand the difference between somebody who takes a crash course in such software as opposed to the quality you get from an experienced professional. No edit is worth doing unless it is entirely seamless. 

I have to agree with this too, when it comes to re-watching an edit you love.  The first time's fine for the curiousity value, but it's just plain distracting if it's riddled with bad edits throughout.  There is a certain fan edit (which shall remain nameless) of a sorely disappointing movie, that has some fantastic editing ideas / choices throughout.

Unfortunately, although this edit improved on the poorer original version immensely, I just can't watch it again now, nor recommend it to others, since it has been badly cut too many times between the scenes, giving lots of 'pops' and 'clicks', and abruptly interrupted  sound / sound fx etc.  throughout.

I do believe that Indy 4 can be tweaked to be a far more enjoyable watch by some of the guys here, and I just hope someone with some decent editing skills / programs does work on it.

Oh, and doubleofive, I haven't even bought it yet either, since I was so under-whelmed at the time I saw it in the cinema!  You made a good point there, by the way.  However, I intend to now, to see some of the ideas that have been thrown about here so far, and in the hope there is a decent edit by someone one day.... :)

Baronlando said:

It seems like Lucas really doesn't feel like paying for the 3D thing until it becomes more cheap and commonplace.

I just started a topic thread that has a link with some interesting info. on how 3D is currently moving along on the 'movie' front.  It might be relevant to what George's current plans for his saga in this format are going to be. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-Star-Wars-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/