ImperialFighter

adywan said:

I've just finished the whole Bespin landing platform scene and i'm really pleased with how its turned out.

Great!  I'm sure it's gonna look lovely.  Agreed about keeping a few surprises for your eventual release, as one of the things that was so neat about watching ANH:R for the first time was coming across the many little unexpected things throughtout the whole edit.  :)

I'll look forward to the trailer for this, as I'm a big fan of trailers in general.  I love your finished one for ANH:R, but would really like to have a version that doesn't include the one or two unused shots that were shown in it, such as the original Ben with 'lowered' shot from the duel, and the TIE 'reveal' shot,   Adywan's 'revisited' shots only!

I'll have that recent Stardestroyer business ready over the next couple of days, doubleofive.  :)

rcb said:

  i wouldn't be surprised if george lucas already knew of this.

You don't scare me with your sorceror's ways....

He might be interested in what other wonders Ady can show his team eventually....  ;)

Ziz said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU_XlgpNTh8

4:45 - Joker: "Don't worry.  I'm going to tell you where they are - both of them - and that's the point.  You'll have to choose."

That's why I thought he was telling the truth about the addresses and the subsequent change was a continuity mistake.  Joker was confident that Batman couldn't save both of them so no point in lying about who was where.

Just to chip-in on this one, to say how it played out to me. 

As ShiftyEyes pointed out, Batman tells Gordon that he is going after Rachael....

Although the Joker knew he was going to hurt Batman with the fact that he was confident that he couldn't save BOTH people in time, and was happy to reveal both addresses to him.....he ALSO intended the additional, and probably worse kick in the teeth to him, by swapping the facts around, in case he did manage to reach the address of the one he wanted to personally rescue the most, in time. 

He's a mean, and tricky fellah, that Joker.  

ImperialFighter said:

 

(in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better.

Bingowings, that's the trouble with not having an exact screenshot at hand, it's sometimes difficult to get something specific across without one.  I'd tried to say that I was talking about the shot of the Millennium Falcon that comes immediately before the shot of the Falcon that I actually used. 

It's strange how the CGI Falcon shown in the flying approach shot seems a more 'thinner', 'flattened' version of the one in that 'Falcon with landing gear down' shot that I used, but as I say, I think it's a lot to do with the 'angles' where we 'look down' at the Falcon coming in to land in the previous shot, and that we should have seen a little of the 'landing gear' on that shot too, in the last moments, before it cuts to the shot I used.  

Bingowings, I take it you know that I am not referring to the shot you've shown, but to the 'flatness' that seems to come across in the previous shot, compared to this one. 

I almost forgot, as far as the SE shot of the Falcon approaching the platform, and slowing down as it is about to land on it (in the shot immediately before the one above), I think the thing that made it seem somewhat 'flattened' at that point, was the possibility that we should actually be able to see a hint of some of the 'landing gear' legs sticking out underneath the side of the CGI Falcon, nearest to us, at some point within the last 3 seconds of the shot, just before it cuts to the above shot.  

You'd need to study the footage carefully, and it would be quite subtle, but it now seems to me that this would go a long way to 'fattening-up' the look of the Falcon at this point, and matching the shot above, a lot better. 

I don't have a shot of it handy, but something else to consider would be the shot of the 'stationary' Millennium Falcon that is seen immediately after the scene of 'Vader inside his black chamber', too.

When we previously saw it, the Falcon switched on bright white lights from the front of it's formost 'prongs', as it flew into the 'asteroid cave'.  This seems fine, considering the darkness of the situation, and looks good.

However, where we normally see the small 'off-centre' lights on the 'prongs' as being RED....in the 'stationary' shot of the Falcon in the 'cave', they are shown shining white.  I'd like to see these (and the hint of their glow) changed to RED too, if possible, to tie things in better with the likes of the shots on the platform.

Note: the ones on the Falcon in JEDI are inconsistent throughout it's flying inside the Deathstar II, with some shots showing RED, some WHITE, and some NONE.  If you do keep any of the 'prong' lights in JEDI, rather than remove them all (removal happens to be my own preference), then perhaps they can just be amended to be all WHITE in those JEDI shots, and keep the consistency of RED lights as being the 'stationary' , landed Falcon 'default' .  But that's all for another day.

I reckon Han had made some 'modifications' along the way, and that's why they weren't seen on the Falcon in A New Hope, by the way.  :)  

adywan said:

Hopefully i will be using a model shot for the Falcon instead of the painted matte because it lacks detail so the windows will be changed. There are actually a couple of things that i need to fix for the landing shot that i'm really surprised that ILM didn't fix for the SE. The main one is the tiny cloud car that looks like it flies right through the falcon. If they had digitally re-composited all the FX for the SE then this mistake would not still be there. I'm starting to really question the truth of what was said in all those making of the SE docs.

The other thing in that shot is that as the falcon lands on the platform you can  see the platform moves/ wobbles but the matte sections remain static. And i have already added the falcon lights to this shot but i like the idea of them turning on as it lands so i'm probably going to go with that idea.

Ha ha, I happened to only notice those 'cloud car' and slight 'platform wobble' problems myself last night, but had convinced myself that I was imagining things, and that the 'shadow movements' of the Millennium Falcon in the above shot were giving an 'optical illusion' in some way.  Good to know I wasn't seeing things that weren't there. 

This 'model' thing you mention, that will improve the look of the cockpit 'windows' too, sounds awesome by the way.  :) 

I'm glad you happen to like the idea of the lights switching on, once it actually has landed, Adywan.  Can I suggest it might look good if they just come on at the same time that the Millennium Falcon's 'landing gear' 'depresses' down onto the platform (indicating it's FULLY landed), which happens just after the 'jets' shoot out.  They would still be seen long enough for a subtle moment, before the shot cuts to the next one of Han emerging.  If you personally prefer that they come on at a point before this, cool beans, as I'm just glad they will be seen in this shot somewhere.

Ripplin said:

Oh, I've told a lot of people, too, but I haven't exactly rung up Skywalker Ranch... Haha.

Let's hope Peter Mayhew isn't phoning George regularly about how superior it is, and how he 'got a medal' after all....  ;)

I suppose it would depend on how much ALL the 'editors' involved could actually agree on ALL the decisions wanted by each other....  ;)

Some more great work there Adywan, thanks for the preview.  Just lovin' the vibrancy of the colour, and the look of the sky in your version.  The work on the buildings looks great also, of course.

Although your shots there aren't finished yet, I'm curious to see if you are going to be amending the look of the Millennium Falcon's cockpit windows in any of these shots.  For instance, in the shot at the top here, the windows are totally blackened out (which I quite like in that actual shot), whereas in the other two shots shown here, one has a 'reflective' look, while the other has a 'grey' look.

Just curious if you are keeping the current looks, or not.  Happy either way.

Oh, and have you considered if it would be an idea to add the 2 red lights at the end of the MF's front 'prongs' to come on, somewhere when it lands, in the top shot?  Just another thought to think over. 

Ganamae said:

Phwew !

Thats good ;) hehe was kinda worried there.

And you could have saved yourself some more, had you spotted my reply to you on the previous page yesterday....  ;)

Octorox, someone said they liked the edits done by 'Sithlord' a lot.  You can read the details up at the FanEdit site, if interested.

HeKS said:

OperationBedlam said:

As for editing ideas, I really feel that much has been said.  I'm not the kind of person that would ever share an edit I do, as I do it simply for personal enjoyment.  I'm not harking on your ideas, just trying to point out that you're beating a dead horse.  Give the thread a few days (even a week or two) and time to breathe.  Posting everyday wondering what people's progress is will not get this edit done.  The fact that no one seems to be actively editing it will also hinder progress greatly.  :)

 

Personally, I think that coming up with the edit ideas (both issues and solutions) is significant progress and will greatly speed up the time it will take to do the actual edit. That's why I'm posting lengthy descriptions of exactly how I think scenes should be edited, even posting sample pics of the suggested edit. Not having to figure those things out at edit time will certainly speed up the work.

I've enjoyed what I've seen on this thread so far, and if something can come of it all by someone, then that's great for us all.  Some nice ideas along the way too, by the way HeKS. 

I'm just glad the likes of Adywan didn't feel the same way as OperationBedlam did here, or we'd never have even seen his 'Star Wars:Revisited', or much else from anyone....  ;)

Lasershwert, those latest 'colour correction' shots really seem to make this whole thing look a lot better already.  Terrific stuff. 

Like Adywan's work, I would far prefer to see the likes of what you are achieving throughout this movie, rather than the colouring that was actually put on the DVD release.  This thing can yet be great!  :)

I seem to remember someone posting a while back somewhere, that they had access to professional 'libraries' of 'sound FX', and that they were happy to help out with someone.  Can't remember who that was at the moment, but will try to find out sometime.

And now they've detected 'Methane' on Mars (caused by some kind of bacteria presumably....or Martian cows). 

Can it be long before 'Gort' pays us all a visit?....  ;)

Interesting to see others views on this one.  Personally, I think there has been a kind of 'diluting' of the greatness that the Original Trilogy was once held in by the masses.  Between the Prequels, the cartoons, and the videogames, there seems to have been an 'over-saturation' of new Star Wars characters and events (not necessarily better) on show, since the terrific originals were held in such high regard.

As far as the original versions, since their poor 'creative choices' in their transfer to DVD (both SE and GOUT forms), I am only really excited about them again in Adywan's treatment (and future proposed treatment, which I have no doubts, will be excellent) of the Original Trilogy, and the Prequels. 

Unfortunately, I wish that his treatment of 'SW:Revisited' and what comes next, could be the versions that were 'out there' in the public domain for EVERYONE.  Too bad that only a small percentage of Star Wars fans will ever know about these, or see them.  Lucky us then!  :)

As far as any more future Star Wars-related product from George Lucas now, I am looking forward to see if he can improve on his OT a bit for it's Blu-ray unveiling, and I am certainly looking forward to seeing how his 'live-action' TV series works out.  What I am REALLY looking forward too also, on the 'official product' front though, will be the eventual 3D theatrical releases....  That should be worth a watch or two, I reckon.    

adywan said:

Ok well i have tweaked Yoda a little bit more. If i do any more then its going to become overdone.

FINAL YODA TWEAKED

YOUTUBE VERSION (but i would recommend the downloadable version above due to better quality)

Tobar, that's good that your friend couldn't tell what was different from the original, as this just confirms that Adywan's subtle enhancements have not overpowered the look of the excellent 'puppet' Yoda.  It has made a big improvement however, so just tell him that there are now a few 'blinks', as well as some amendment to his mouth when speaking, and some slight facial tweaks too. 

I think that it's just the above 'clip' that has been shown with the tweaks, and that any previous Yoda clips that were previously released, only show 'colour correction' to their scenes.

Ganamae, you'll be pleased to know that Adywan does indeed plan to amend that particular 'Rebel trench' background shot.  This will be a very nice one to see, as this 'continuity error' was always an annoying one. 

This has been a public service announcement. 

Sevb32 said:

ImperialFighter said:

DF Shadow said:

If I remember correctly in the SE DVD the consistency of the millennium falcon when entering cloud city is off. The falcon is thinner in the the new CG shots and thicker in the old shots. I think this is most obvious when it lands on the platform.

Once the ship has docked it's back to it's usual thickness.

 

Something to look at AdY?

 

I'd forgotten about this one. I seem to remember thinking that too, when I saw the new SE footage where it's being escorted by the 'twin-pods' towards the landing platform. The new MF looked a bit 'flattened' in that shot, for some reason.

 

I just though it was the angles of the falcon, and I love those cloud city fly through shots.

Having had a proper look at those 'approach' shots again Sevb32, I do now agree that it just seems to be the 'angles' that we see of the CGI Falcon, and that it is actually fine.  Strange, how I seemed to remember a 'flattened' look originally, but I guess that's the CGI effect in some way.  I happen to like those particular additional shots too.

....so it doesn't suddenly transform the saga from being fun for all the family to being FUN for all the family. - Bingowings.  Nice.  :)

doubleofive said:

ImperialFighter said:

I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately.  Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have like to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."

 

Do Jedi call their attacks like anime ninja? ;-P

 

Ha ha, nice one!  :) 

It was meant to have read - ....I'd have liked to have seen him 'force throw' even the Emperor near him, against the wall....

BarBar Jinkx said:

For me the scene where Vader is being "put back together" on the table & he is knocking away the med droids bugs the sith out of me 

if the audio of his perfectly healthy moans of pain was replaced with that of a person barely able to breath it would be enough for me (I will mention this in the future when Ady gets around to doing Ep III) what do you guys think?

 sorry for the off topic post but this has bugged me since I saw the movie in the cinema

TMBTM mentioned 'wheezing' something like this on page 10 of 'The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread', and I like this thought.

I just wish we'd got slightly more 'Vader in suit' action by the end of the third one, but George just didn't write it that way at the time, unfortunately.  Instead of the 'fade-out' as he (badly) screamed out "Noooooooooooo!", I'd have liked to have seen him say, 'force throw' even the Emperor near him against the wall, and then have the injured Emperor put his hand up quickly, while telling Vader "WAIT!...."

jones1899 said:

Surely you understand the difference between somebody who takes a crash course in such software as opposed to the quality you get from an experienced professional. No edit is worth doing unless it is entirely seamless. 

I have to agree with this too, when it comes to re-watching an edit you love.  The first time's fine for the curiousity value, but it's just plain distracting if it's riddled with bad edits throughout.  There is a certain fan edit (which shall remain nameless) of a sorely disappointing movie, that has some fantastic editing ideas / choices throughout.

Unfortunately, although this edit improved on the poorer original version immensely, I just can't watch it again now, nor recommend it to others, since it has been badly cut too many times between the scenes, giving lots of 'pops' and 'clicks', and abruptly interrupted  sound / sound fx etc.  throughout.

I do believe that Indy 4 can be tweaked to be a far more enjoyable watch by some of the guys here, and I just hope someone with some decent editing skills / programs does work on it.

Oh, and doubleofive, I haven't even bought it yet either, since I was so under-whelmed at the time I saw it in the cinema!  You made a good point there, by the way.  However, I intend to now, to see some of the ideas that have been thrown about here so far, and in the hope there is a decent edit by someone one day.... :)

Baronlando said:

It seems like Lucas really doesn't feel like paying for the 3D thing until it becomes more cheap and commonplace.

I just started a topic thread that has a link with some interesting info. on how 3D is currently moving along on the 'movie' front.  It might be relevant to what George's current plans for his saga in this format are going to be. 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/3D-Star-Wars-for-the-masses-anytime-soon/topic/10070/

The eventual 'Blu-rays' of the saga will be nice and all that (although I get the feeling that I'm going to still prefer Adywan's eventual 'Revisited' versions....), but I'm really looking forward to the possibility of seeing a 3D theatrical release of the Star Wars movies in my lifetime too.

The new-fangled 'conversion' process of turning existing 2D movies into 3D ones, that George has done tests with, is already successfully being used on other movies. 

Anyway, what with 'Avatar' and many other potential 3D blockbusters in the pipeline, I thought I'd ask what others here happen to think of a new generation (as well as themselves!) being exposed to a 3D version of the saga back on the 'big screen' eventually....

Heres a couple of interesting links by the way.  First, a recent story on 3D movie development -  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/business/media/12film.html?_r=2

and this great site on various 3D developments in general (warning: quite a few AVATAR 'spoilers' here) -  http://marketsaw.blogspot.com