Oops, apologies but something’s come up, and I posted that accidentally before I finished it… and can’t edit it for time being. will do so later today, and hope to describe something I’ve just found out it’s possible to re-cut the way I want.
EDIT - above post completed now.
Personally, I’ll always wish that George had given us a Sequel Trilogy storyline to the OT back in 1999, instead of the Prequel Trilogy he focused on - I recall seeing interviews with Mark, Harrison, and Carrie from around that period, and they all looked wonderful despite being much older than their earlier OT glory days.
The thing is, I’m sure George could have easily come up with a new Sequel Trilogy which would have involved the whole OT gang onscreen together again some way, at this point. But alas, I got the likes of Jar Jar stepping in poodoo instead.
And by the time the actual Sequel Trilogy came along, J.J. ended up coming up with a TFA storyline which ‘estranged’ Luke, Han, and Leia from each other…and which killed off Han…thus depriving me of a potential ‘reunion’ scene with those 3 characters in it’s follow-up.
Which all added up to a missed opportunity, as far as I’m concerned.
However, we are where we are, and now Rian has conceived a TLJ storyline which seems to dliberately subvert certain expectations, and actually dismiss some of the things set up by J.J.'s instalment.
Fair enough, but it’s going to be interesting to see how things pan out due to the unforeseen loss of Carrie, and the fact that J.J. is back in the driver’s seat for the next chapter.
Anyway, with a few alterations it seems possible to tweak TLJ into something I’d much prefer to see - something a lot less ‘jokey’ in tone overall, but which retains the humorous moments I happen to like.
But as I recently mentioned on page 14 of this thread, the MAIN thing I’d like to alter for myself is how the ‘Luke being tempted to kill his nephew’ scene was handled - Well, what I’d originally intended to do was just make Luke tell Rey THE TRUTH STRAIGHT AWAY about his ‘brief temptation to kill Kylo’, when first recounting his ‘backstory’ concerning Kylo to her - this at least would make him seem less evasive about it than the movie does.
However, I had the opportunity to go and see TLJ for a third and final time with another family member the other day, and was pleased to confirm that I could cobble together a version of the ‘Kylo backstory’ I’m even more satisfied with…which DOESN’T involve Luke being ‘tempted to kill Kylo’ with his lightsaber at all! 😃
So here’s how I intend to alter things for myself -
…at the point where Luke starts to tell Rey about Kylo, he ends up saying “…by the time I realised I was no match for the darkness rising in him…it was too late…” (at this point we see Luke in close-up, as Rey whispers “What happened?”)
…then I’d CUT to the close-up of Kylo asleep as Luke’s voice-over continues “…I’d sensed it building in him…”, and as the shot pans up to reveal Luke standing nearby with his hand outstretched, we’d continue with the rest of Luke’s voice-over until we eventually see his anguished face in close-up as his voice-over ends on him saying “…Snoke had already turned his heart…”
…then at this point, I’d CUT to the shot of the ‘training temple’ as we hear the words “I went to confront him, but he turned on me”, as we then see Luke being violently ‘forced pushed’ through the wall by Kylo’s arms, as Luke yells “BEN, NO!”…and continue on from that shot as per the movie, where we then see the scene of devastation as Luke’s voice continues “He must have thought I was dead…”, and continue on as we see the younger ‘hooded Luke’ in close-up as his voice-over ends with “…I failed…”
…and continue on from that as per the movie, as we revert back to ‘old Luke’ in close-up as he says “…because I was Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master…a legend…”
…and continue on from that as per the movie, as Rey responds and eventually says “…you didn’t fail Kylo, Kylo failed you…I wont!” (as we end in a close-up of her face)
So NO ‘moment of lightsaber madness’ needed whatsoever, and I’m quite content to have Kylo’s flawed personality and Snoke’s influence be the main object of Kylo’s ‘turn to the dark side’ for my version…which Luke could do nothing about at the time, except feel that he let Leia and Han down extremely badly.
(and of course, that requires a certain amount of removal/re-structuring of some later scenes too, which allows me to alter some other moments I’m not keen on either) 😃
The Star Wars movies have given me much entertainment over the years (as well as plenty of frustration!), so I’ve been meaning to add my own conclusions to the whole ‘marathon’ viewing order conundrum for a while now…especially with so many movies being part of the overall franchise nowadays.
My main stipulation to myself was that I had to come up with a viewing order which INCLUDED the Prequel Trilogy…no matter how I felt about them! 😉
So here’s the final conclusions I’ve come to: one for myself, and one for complete ‘newbies’ to the whole franchise…
MY SUGGESTED VIEWING ORDER FOR COMPLETE ‘NEWBIES’, AND WHY -
For a whole heap of reasons, I will ALWAYS recommend that someone new to the saga begins with Ep. IV: ANH, no-matter-what…but mainly for it’s unsurpassed ‘mid-adventure’ opening, and it’s great introduction to the droids, and Vader, and the princess…and the fact that they will also get great introductions to other major characters along the way too…all wrapped-up in one enjoyable package which works as a satisfying ‘standalone’ experience for them to kick things off with.
(sorry George, but I’m afraid that I can NEVER suggest to any ‘newbies’ that they watch Ep. I: TPM as their FIRST taste of the franchise…and if they decide that Ep. IV: ANH is not their thing and never watch another instalment, at least they will have gotten a better sense of what the franchise involves!)
…but assuming they want MORE of Luke & co’s adventures, then it’s onto Ep. V: ESB and Ep. VI to round this trilogy off for them at this point…with ALL the further character introductions and surprises kept intact…
(apart from Jabba’s original ROTJ appearance unfortunately, as I’ll assume it’s the standard ‘official’ special edition versions our ‘newbie’ is having to watch for the purposes of this scenario…so therefore Jabba’s reveal is now telegraphed early during ANH:special edition, sadly)
…but hopefully they’ve had a really good time with this first trio of movies, and consider themselves ‘fans’ of the franchise now, and want to see ‘everything else’ too…
…well thanks to the fact that there’s a ‘continuation’ of the ‘Luke Skywalker’ saga with the Sequel Trilogy nowadays, it’s safe enough to introduce the whole Prequel Trilogy at this point in their overall viewing order - as a ‘flashback’ back to earlier events in the overall storyline - WITHOUT having to complicate things with a ‘machete order’, knowing that there’s better movies to come again, once they are out of the way!
…and then we’re back to conclude Luke’s journey with Ep. VII: TFA, Ep. VIII: TLJ, and Ep. IX respectively…with all it’s further revelations…
…and it’s only once our ‘newbie’ has FINISHED watching Luke’s storyline, that I’d recommend that they THEN GO ON to watch the likes of futher ‘Star Wars’ movies such as SOLO or OBI-WAN or BOBA FETT or JABBA or WHATEVER OTHER ‘standalone’ or FURTHER SEQUELS that are out there at the time…while leaving the ROGUE ONE movie until the very last for themselves…
…as an intoduction to REWATCH Ep. IV: ANH all over again…and then either do the whole SAME ‘marathon’ viewing order all over again…OR just include their favourites this time around…and REPEAT this process every year! 😉
So to recap -
Start off with Ep. IV: ANH
Ep. V: ESB
Ep. VI: ROTJ
‘Flashback’ to Ep. I: TPM
Ep. II : AOTC
Ep. III: ROTS
Resume Luke’s storyline with Ep. VII: TFA
Ep. VIII: TLJ
Ep. IX
Then watch the likes of SOLO etc. from here onwards…as long as you leave ROGUE ONE until the very last for yourself at this point…
…and finally it’s time to REWATCH Ep. IV: ANH, and start the whole process off once again - in ANY order you prefer this time around, now that you’ve seen them all!
HOWEVER, HERE’S WHAT MY OWN IDEAL FUTURE ‘MARATHON’ VIEWING ORDER WOULD INVOLVE, AND WHY -
(but when I say ‘marathon’, I mean spreading them out over a few days or so for myself…as I certainly wouldn’t attempt literally watching one-after-the-other…no way!)
(ideally with the cutlist I’ve got in mind, which involves a LOT LESS Vader to begin with - and with no made-up introductory ‘scroll’ by the way…as I’d be content to hear the existing brief ROGUE ONE theme, but would simply replace the current ROGUE ONE title with the familiar receding STAR WARS title instead - so that those particular words would still kick off my overall ‘marathon’ at the point I’ve got in mind for them…and means I’d keep the ‘static’ starfield opening of the others instalments too. Also, I can’t recall if it was a concept by Hal or Dig…but I loved the idea of a more ‘sombre’ bit of music to END the movie on, as the credits roll…so would gladly include the neat idea of ‘reprising’ some of the ominous first few bars from the opening of Ep. IV: ANH…as a way to ease towards the next instalment)
STAR WARS REVISITED: HD (of course)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK REVISITED: HD (of course)
RETURN OF THE JEDI REVISITED: HD (of course)
Ep. I: TPM - yes indeed, I’m actually willing to include the prequels into my own ‘marathon’ these days, for a bit of nostalgia(!)…as long as they’re placed into it at THIS point so that they act as a ‘flashback’ in the way I described earlier.
(ideally with the cutlists I’ve got in mind, which are extensive! - and I’d prefer to include a short, introductory ‘prologue’ to begin this first ‘flashback’…using some footage I like which reprises a moment from the previously-watched STAR WARS REVISITED - as a way of including some additional gravitas which nicely sets the scene for these ‘past’ events…and so that I’d have something to look forward to, as I stick on this movie! - basically, once the blue words A LONG TIME AGO IN AGALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY… fade away, I’d cut to a shortened BLACK & WHITE version of Luke and Ben’s conversation…which ends with Ben declaring “…before the dark times, before the EMPIRE!” - and then we’d return to colour as the STAR WARS title crashes onscreen and recedes)
Ep. II: AOTC
Ep. III: ROTS - I’ve got 2 re-structured endings that I like for this. One where Padme dies at childbbirth (though not of ‘losing the will to live!’), regardless of what Leia tells Luke in ROTJ…and one which leaves her alive, despite my reservations that she went along with the Jedi’s advice that baby Luke be separated far away from her indefinately - but which doesn’t include the ‘Anne Boleyn’ footage. I’m slightly leaning to her dying however, as it allows me to include certain additional shots I like…though NOT Vaders reaction to it! And this gives a far more ‘tragic’ feel to this overall ‘backstory’ I reckon - so I guess I’ve made up my mind about that, after all. 😃
(and the good thing about including the prequels as a ‘flashback’ during a ‘marathon’…is the fact that they allow for a certain period of time to pass since I would have watched ROTJ…which makes it seem less jarring to see such elderly characters all of a sudden, when I go to watch the Sequel Trilogy)
(ideally with the cutlist I’ve got in mind, which keeps Kylo’s helmet on for longer…and moves the superweapon firing after Han’s murder…and which ends with the close-up shot of Rey offering the lightsaber as the credits roll, instead of the ‘helicopter’ shot from above)
(ideally with the cutlist I’ve got in mind, which involves making Luke admit the truth to Rey about what happened with Kylo RIGHT FROM THE START - so that he doesn’t come across as evasive to her about it - and I’m also considering another alternative which eliminates using ANY of the shots of Luke planning to kill him with his lightsaber altogether, but in a way which still shows what happened between them quite effectively - doing it either of these ways means I can re-strucure things so that I DON’T have to include the ‘shirtless’ scene of Kylo putting Luke into a bad light with Rey, as he tries to gain some sympathy - in addition, I’d prefer to end this movie on the great panning shot of the Falcon we see after Leia’s last reassuring words to Rey…INSTEAD of including the whole ‘broom kid’ sequence)
(by the way, I’m hoping for 2 things NOT to happen in this upcoming movie - one is for Leia NOT to be re-cast by anyone else in Carrie’s place…and the other is for Kylo NOT to be ‘reedemed’ in any way from the daddy-murderer he turned into - especially as that would mess up certain ways I want to re-cut THE LAST JEDI for myself! - so don’t let me down J.J.)
I’m hoping that’s the case CS, and that the leaked artwork of the Falcon is indeed showing an actual bit of ‘cargo container’ attatched to it’s front.
It’s not clear from the leaked artwork (or the lego pic) that the new section s not part of it’s original design…but I’m hoping that the reason this piece is looks like it’s just a part of the sip’s structure, is because it’s a cunningly-disguised ‘secret storage comparment’ which is just meant to LOOK like it’s part of the hull.
So the recent ‘unofficial’ artwork proved to be genuine marketing material after all.
As well as giving the Falcon a new colour-scheme , these lego images confirm that it’s front end has been heavily re-designed. I prefer the TWO-pronged design personally, and am curious to see if this was just a cosmetic make-over to the shape, or if it serves an actual function during the movie.
I already came across a behind-the-scenes pic of that blue speeder somewhere (it was on tyred wheels which will be erased), and liked the look of it…but I didn’t know it was going to be driven by Han at the time. I wonder who his passenger is?
And it seems like we’re in for some kind of TIE-fighter/Stardestroyer appearance too, judging by these pics.
I’m hoping these new stormtroopers look good, and recall that a source is claiming they are known as ‘Range Troopers’.
The only thing I’m a little wary about is those small white ‘dog’-like critters that are also revealed - I just hope they’re a bit more impressive than the ones seen in the AOTC Sandpeople camp scene. 😉
Thankyou Jeebus for my first big belly-laugh of the year around these parts. 😃
Either of those ideas would make worthy candidates for TF’s eventual ‘Ep. III: The Last Ridiculous Jedi’ edit I reckon.
(or should that be ‘Ep. III: The Not Quite Last Ridiculous Jedi’, seeing as we don’t know what’s going to happen in J.J.'s NEXT movie?)
…And just thinking aloud, but I quite like how the latest movie’s view of random, NON-'Jedi-trained ‘Force-sensitives’ appearing here-and-there in the Star Wars galaxy can retro-actively apply to Donnie Yen’s ultra-skilled ROGUE ONE character also. Personally, it helps me to accept his exceptional abilities much easier now, considering he was totally blind…and the way he managed to walk through all those shots unscathed - so I’ll definately consider Chirrut Imwe as indeed being someone who was ‘one with the Force’ in the truest sense, the next time I watch that movie.
I’m still going to lose that ‘broom lad’ ending from my own cutlist though - not saying that the funny ‘child-scaring monster’ moment and ‘Spielberg-ian’ final shot were a bad way to end things for audiences…but I’d just prefer to have that last hyperspace shot of the Falcon as the ending for myself as it leads us to the next instalment…to give this a more sombre finale, considering we effectively lost the Leia and Luke characters during this…and because I want reminded of ‘younglings’ as little as possible in my own version. 😃
You know this was written by Lawrence Kasdan right? One would think he’d be the most qualified person for the job…
Sure, one would hope Tobar…but we’ll soon find out about the actual ‘tone’ of this movie before too long now.
I happen to like the final shots where the characters actually start fighting in that project…but the build-up shots before that just remind me of a videogame cut-scene with it’s overall look and camera-movements.
No idea why the makers think this could just be dropped smoothly into the existing movie when they went out of their way to add additional lights and glows to the corridor walls, compared to the movie. And they didn’t even bother to match Vader’s chestplate correctly.
Still a very neat project however, and I’m interested to see the final version of it eventually.
And let me take this opportunity to wish adywan and everyone here on these forums a very happy New Year ahead.
DominicCobb said:
I’m really hoping someone can work magic and make C-3PO’s arm red throughout the trilogy (apparently JJ made it gold again because Anthony Daniels hated it).
I hadn’t heard of that particular J.J./Anthony Daniels nugget before. If true, then I’m with Daniels on that…but I was kinda hoping that C3PO’s red arm ‘backstory’ would be brought up briefly in TLJ, to allow a poignant moment for him…and so that everyone who didn’t happen to know what the comicbook ‘EU explanation’ for it was, would finally know what the hell that was all about in TFA, since he reverted back to a gold arm when the Falcon took off!
Oh well, maybe it’ll be brought up in J.J.'s next instalment instead…but I wouldn’t be surprised if C3PO has it on again with no explanation once more! 😉
As far as THE LAST JEDI goes, it turned out to be a mixed bag for me. It certainly entertained me in a lot of ways, but there were plenty of moments that frustrated me too.
I notice from reading some of the various threads here, that there seems to be some consensus on certain things to alter or remove from those that are planning to edit this…but there’s a particular thing that I’d REALLY like to re-edit for myself in future…and it concerns how the whole controversial ‘Luke/Kylo backstory’ was handled in the first place.
Like a lot of others, I had reservations about this plotline involving Luke and Kylo’s past (along with some of the footage and dialogue that it involved)…and seeing the movie for a 2nd time just confirmed that view for me. I can see how it’s ‘unexpected’ portrayal of Luke can work for some, but it just wasn’t what I personally wished to see for this character after waiting all that time for him to return after TFA ended!
But luckily, I realised after my 2nd viewing of TLJ that there seems to be a way which would GREATLY improve Luke’s storyline for me…and there’s even a couple of alternative ways to re-cut it to do so, I reckon. I can’t go into specific shots for now, as I’ll need to wait on an actual copy to double-check if it’s as feasible as I think it is, but here’s the gist of what I have in mind -
…things are currently structured so that Luke tells Rey a ‘shortened version’ of what happened initially…which is eventually followed by Kylo telling Rey a ‘fuller’ version of what happened from his point-of view…which is then eventually followed by Luke admitting to Rey that he’d momentarily thought about doing away with Kylo, but quickly snapped out of it…
…but INSTEAD…I would prefer if this backstory was re-structured so that Luke tells Rey the truth RIGHT FROM THE START! 😃
As I say, I reckon the footage is there to make this notion work pretty easily, and there was a couple of different ways to do it, depending on my preference.
What this does, is makes Luke’s admission much more in keeping with the way I would have liked to see his character tell it, so that the truth didn’t have to be dragged out of him by Rey…and so that Kylo doesn’t get to make out to Rey that Luke has not been truthful with her.
Not only that, but it would allow me to totally remove a couple of other scenes which I’ve no wish to see again in this movie - namely, the shot of Luke looking like a ‘totally crazed loon’ about to strike Kylo (when told from Kylo’s perspective)…as well as the whole ‘shirtless’ interaction scene with Rey…as well as the whole Rey battling Luke scene which ends in him being beaten by her, and being made to admit the truth. Gah!
I’m especially pleased that this means Kylo doesn’t get a scene where we’re meant to feel sorry for him…especially since he’s unforgivable in my eyes for killing off his dad Han in the FIRST sequel movie! 😉
But the biggest improvement this makes for me, is the fact that it simplifies things so that Luke is seen to be a troubled guy over what happened…WITHOUT coming off as being evasive to Rey about it all.
So to sum up - the scene would be put together so that Luke explains his failure with Kylo straightforwardly, and Rey goes on to say that SHE won’t fail him, and we then go straight to her taking off in the Falcon as she leaves the island to continue her adventure…
(…and I’m still mulling over whether I want to remove the whole following ‘gumsy Yoda & Luke’ scene…or whether I just want to remove certain shots and dialogue during it) 😉
I don’t know if those promo images will indeed prove to show legit versions of young Lando’s haircut and the Falcon’s re-design, or not…but I just hope that any ‘whooping’ and ‘hollering’ by the leads will be kept to a minimum in this…
But there should at least be some, no?
Not necessarily, but I’m hoping that kind of thing is kept to a minimum if it DOES feature.
The single ‘whoop’ we got from Han as he helped Luke out at the end of ANH was terrific at that point (as was Lando’s at the end of ROTJ when the Falcon escaped the blast), but I’d rather that this movie doesn’t end up littered with them. Poe and Finn have got that kind of thing more than covered at this point. 😉
It’s not so much Alden Ehrenreich’s portrayal of Han that I’m wary about at this point…it’s whether the character will be written to have too much of an over-confident, ‘whooping flyboy’ persona in this, rather than having a more casual, laconic humour about him overall.
I reckon it would be very easy for the writer’s to end up turning Han and Lando into a parody of their saga characters, but I’m hoping for the best.
(still, great news to hear of John William’s involvement in this latest entry)
Ah, that explains it then. Thanks for clarifying.
Just for the record, I initially thought we were about to get an unexpected Finn death in this movie, as things were shaping up for a memorable bit of self-sacrifice on his part - but then of course he was saved at the last minute - and then I was sure that Rose’s character was getting the memorable self-sacrifice treatment instead, which I thought was really effective and poignant at this point…except the makers didn’t follow through on taking this character out either, as it turned out.
To be honest, considering the characters that we DID lose in these sequels so far, I was fine with Rose being a one-movie deal so that she would go out in such a noble way at this point…and kinda felt cheated that we were ‘played’ TWICE-in-a-row with the same kind of misdirection by the makers.
Of course that’s my ‘adult self’ talking, and I’ve no doubt that my ‘younger self’ would have been very relieved to see BOTH characters survive what ‘seemed’ to be their last moments!
In the spirit of TLJ, that’ll just be up to whomever fan edits episode XI to deal with. 😉
True Hal, but it might make for a real disconnect if Rose’s (potential) future role cant’t be easily taken out. Especially if her storyline happens to include some good scenes which no-one wants to take out anyway.
(although I’ve got some initial ideas of how I’d ideally like to re-structure THE LAST JEDI for myself, I think I’m gonna have to wait until the next instalment to see how certain characters are involved first)
Just a thought darthrush - I liked the way it seemed that Rose had given her life to save Finn when watching the movie (except it was then revealed to be yet another bit of misdirection from the makers, as she hadn’t…) - but if you make it look like she actually died in your edit, won’t that risk a continuity problem with the next sequel which she is highly likely to feature in?
Due to the tragic loss of a family friend recently, I was unable to see TLJ until a couple of days ago. So I’ve been avoiding this thread for quite a while now until I saw the movie for myself, and will try to catch up when I can - as I’m curious to see what everyone else thought of it all.
But there’s one particular opinion I always look forward to seeing after these movies nowadays, and he didn’t disappoint me.
…so just for the sake of anyone who hasn’t seen these yet -
Kylo’s thoughts on the TLJ trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6BesOrfws
Kylo reacts to the TLJ movie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCvxX0keJ08
(and what do I think? - well, let’s just say I’ve got yet another extensive cutlist to contemplate at this point) 😉
I don’t know if those promo images will indeed prove to show legit versions of young Lando’s haircut and the Falcon’s re-design, or not…but I just hope that any ‘whooping’ and ‘hollering’ by the leads will be kept to a minimum in this…
Just got a moment to wish ady and everyone else here a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
(Good grief, we’re at 63 pages on this thing already, and I haven’t really had a chance to read past the first couple of pages yet with one thing and another! However, I hope to have a comment or three to add during the coming year, and lovin’ the hell out of ESB:REVISITED in the meantime) 😃
I’m sure THE LAST JEDI is ‘beautifully made’ as George puts it, but it would be interesting to know what he thinks about the actual story direction (NuEmpire building an even bigger ‘death star’/Han and Leia estranged for years/Han’s son killing him/Luke in self-imposed exile for instance) that the Sequel Trilogy has gone down with THE FORCE AWAKENS onwards. Not that it makes any difference, but I’m just curious if there’s certain things he really disliked about where J.J. took the first Sequel’s ‘original characters’…apart from the fact he didn’t use George’s own ‘treatments’ of course!
Anyway, not too long before I get to see this latest instalment for myself. I’ve only watched the teaser trailer, and managed to avoid the majority of internet and merchandising spoilers, so the movie’s still open-ended for me, thankfully.
But while this next chapter will finally reveal who REY is related to…I’m probably even more interested to find out LUKE or LEIA’s explanation about just how come young KYLO turned out so badly adjusted that he eventually decided to murder his dad!
I’m hoping that this aspect of his background will be expanded upon in an interesting way, so that he’s not just left seeming to be an ungrateful ‘spoilt brat’ for no good reason.
Anyway, as with THE FORCE AWAKENS and ROGUE ONE, I’m sure I’ll have a blast with THE LAST JEDI when I see it for the first time on the big screen with an audience. But as with TFA and RO, I’ve no doubt that there’ll be plenty of moments that I’d rather alter or cut out when it comes to an ideal re-watch of TLJ for myself in future…so I’m keeping my expectations firmly in check. (and with that longish run-time, I’ll be going easy on the refreshments too!)
Some very interesting ideas there darthrush. I’ve sent you a PM about something you asked me about a while back.
I stuck this on the SPOILER thread for the sake anyone over there who was in two minds about whether to watch the latest imminent trailer for THE LAST JEDI, or not…
But just in case there’s anyone over here tempted to peek too, just a heads-up that the director has just advised against it! Sounds like there’s probably some major plot point(s) being revealed - www.darkhorizons.com/last-jedi-director-says-avoid-the-new-trailer/
Ok, I know this is the SPOILER thread for this, but here’s some advice from the director himself for those of you who may be uncertain about whether to watch this imminent trailer for THE LAST JEDI - www.darkhorizons.com/last-jedi-director-says-avoid-the-new-trailer/
As much as I like a good trailer myself, I’ve gotten to the stage where just seeing the initial teaser is enough for me these days, as that’s all the preview footage/plot points i need beforehand. So I’ll certainly be abstaining from this one too. Just a heads up for everyone else to consider however, as perhaps this one may be giving away a major plot point or two.
Well he attempted to make it scarier with the added glow; just thought there might be an alternative way in doing so.
I liked your suggestion of the needle slowly extending out as the probe droid comes towards us…but having been lucky enough to get a preview pic a while back, I can confirm that adywan’s latest (still under wraps) version is FANTASTIC and a really satisfying improvement.
So here’s what the DISCOVERY show’s main theme is going to sound like -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b474uGkLJH8&feature=youtu.be
Remember how ATTACK OF THE CLONES changed Slave I’s colour-scheme to include a lot of BLUE compared to how it looked years later in ESB?
Well, it seems like the Falcon’s exterior is also getting a similar make-over in this new HAN SOLO movie…along with some new ‘cargo-hauling’ action -
https://makingstarwars.net/2017/09/falcon-look-like-untitled-star-wars-han-solo-story
Recent family events got in the way of reporting back on my eventual viewing of your completed ESB REVISITED adywan, but I finally have the chance to say now…that it’s absolutely effin’ MAGNIFICENT! 😃
As with STAR WARS REVISITED, this was a truly spectacular ‘Special Edition’ for me throughout - and I’ll always be in awe that you ended up putting so much effort into the many enhancements that you did over these past years - just incredible really.
You’ve ended up producing something which WAAAAY exceeded my own high expectations for this edit when you started out - and out of the many suggestions (some outlandish!) by everyone, I’ve been very lucky to get the vast majority of the ones I preferred along the way.
Suffice to say that this will ALWAYS be the definitive version of the movie which I’ll want to re-watch from time to time in future - https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohuPqvqWs2pFkeure/giphy.gif
So many, many thanks for all your hard efforts and artistic endevour on this, and I look forward to seeing your eventual DISC release and ‘extras’ at some point.
Of course, your official RETURN OF THE JEDI ‘REVISITED EDITION’ thread is now open for business it seems, and the madness begins once again. 😃
I’ll pop in there with a few things now and then when time allows, but just wanted to pick up on something I’d forgotten about from way back on page 1340 -
The X-wing engines were originally pink in ANH. The engine colour changed when it came to ESB & ROTJ, when they became red. But now, with Rogue One using the original colour for the engines, and the possibility of me doing an edit of R1 for personal viewing, it makes sense to have the engines the same colour throughout.
Okay, I’ve already read that you’re not intending to work on the prequel trilogy anymore, and that’s understandable. I’ve no doubt that ROTJ REVISITED and ANH REVISITED HD are more than plenty to be going on with over the next few years!
However, if you ever get around to fitting in a re-cut of ROGUE ONE for yourself sometime, it would be really neat if you would consider giving us an outline of your own personal preferences for scene removals/or re-arrangements for it someday - as I’m sure a lot of us would be very interested in your choices for that. And the same goes for each of the prequels someday too…although I guess that might involve a lot of work just to list everything you had in mind!
Finally, those pink X-wing engines - Personally, I loved the look of the original RED versions you gave STAR WARS REVISITED - which closer matched what is seen in the current ESB and ROTJ movies…and although I happen to like ROGUE ONE well enough to have come up with an ideal cutlist of my own for it, I wouldn’t have minded if the makers had gone for the ‘hotter’, redder look of the ESB and ROTJ engines, rather than the ANH ones.
I guess it could have gone either way, but I’ll soon GET USED TO IT after a couple of more watches of ESB REVISITED. 😃
Thankfully, you’ve still given the Y-wing engines their original red engine colouration, which makes for a nice contrast when seen in any shots alongside the pink glow of the X-wings…UNLIKE the existing SE of ANH which made some Y-wing engines pink too!
Check out the Y-wing colours on the blu-ray example at the 0:26 secs mark in this comparison vid, for example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_rcZNdsc30
It’s good to know that your Y-wing engines are gonna be consistently RED for these movies.
Don’t know if this was mentioned before here, but ever since I had seen it at celebration, it had always intrigued me. It is the opening to the rogue one celebration panel.
Indeed it has OGSpark, and you may be interested to see what I originally posted about it back on page 8.
Since then, I’ve been disappointed (though not surprised) to find that it didn’t end up amongst the ROGUE ONE ‘extras’ after all…especially since I’ve thought of ANOTHER way I’d have preferred to have incorporated it for myself sometime, compared to my initial thoughts on page 8 -
My new idea concerning it was inspired after seeing a couple of ‘test’ videos that DigModiFicaTion previewed over on Fanedit(.)org, as he was working on his own RISE OF THE REBELLION:A ROGUE ONE EDIT. (Here’s this site’s details about it, by the way) -
originaltrilogy.com/topic/Rise-of-the-Rebellion-A-Rogue-One-Edit/id/55859
He was mulling over whether the usual End Credits music was the right ‘tone’ to end the movie on, considering the previous events overall. Personally, I think it worked fine seeing as the movie ended up on a mention of ‘HOPE’…but I reckon I’d prefer to end my own ideal version on a more sombre-sounding note before the usual End Credits score kicks in.
Anyway, here’s what DigMod came up with -
(ROGUE ONE / ANH end score comparison clip) - https://vimeo.com/222152616
(ANH score replacement clip - the password is fanedit.org) - https://vimeo.com/220156877
I REALLY like this use of the ANH intro. score as a way of ‘foreshadowing’ what ROGUE ONE was leading into next…and will definately use it for my own version someday. The only alteration I would make to this for myself…is that once the ANH music reaches the 0:18 mark on DigMod’s clip (where we see the credit Director of Photograph GREIG FRASER, ASC, ACS begin to fade out), I would THEN introduce the usual ‘jaunty’ End Credits music - the reason being that I don’t want to hear TOO much of ANH’s intro. score beforehand, if I choose to watch it immediately after ROGUE ONE!
So thanks very much DigMod for that inspired notion! 😃
However, had the ‘Celebration Panel’ scroll been available on the extras, I’d have liked to incorporate it as a way to FINISH the movie instead!
Here’s a better version of it where you can hear the final notes much clearer without the crowd whooping - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgsbzxSIPrU
It would certainly have given me the more sombre kind of ‘foreshadowing’ tone I’m after to end the movie on…and here’s how I’d have included it -
…the movie ends, and the Tantive IV jumps to hyperspace…then the circular ‘iris’ wipes to the ‘Celebration Panel’ scroll (so that it begins at the 0:49 mark on the video I linked to above), until it ends just before the word DECEMBER appears)*…and then we get a SECOND circular ‘iris’ wipe as the usual END CREDITS and music begin. 😃
(alternatively…as above, except we could just fade to black at the end of the oncoming scroll at the 01:18 mark in the video, so that we just hear those final notes without seeing those particular ROGUE ONE A Star Wars Story titles…and THEN begin the usual END CREDITS and music)
But as we DIDN’T get that ‘Celebration Panel’ scroll amongst the ‘extras’ after all, DigMod’s neat suggestion will do me just fine instead.
