ImperialFighter

Yup, I have exactly the same problem.  Hopefully Jay can iron it out.

Kurgan said:

 

I personally think what this movie needs is more blood. It's unrealistic that Han slices open that Taun Taun and its guts just fall out like wet rice noodles. I'm thinking you could put in some of those "Kill Bill" style blood geysers there. It would really pay homage to the old Samurai movies that Lucas was inspired by, like Shogun Assasin.

Not sure about that blood thing, but at the moment we just see the 'saddle straps' flame-up when they are cut by the lightsaber.  Perhaps there could be a brief hint of that 'cauterization' effect along the edges of the cut 'opening' too, Adywan? 

That reminds me, I wish there had been a good shot of the 'full-scale' Tauntaun 'prop' similar to this production photo.  Adywan could have really made it come to life I'm sure, if we'd seen this much of it -

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/340/704216-tauntaun_super.jpg

Okay, last thing from me for the moment is this interesting collection of deleted shots from the 'Rebel base Wampa attack'.  I'd never seen some of these before. Scroll down to comment no. 14 by DarthVader2932.  Now THAT'S one sad Wampa suit, lol! -

http://www.starwarsaddiction.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=841

vaderios, while I'm on the subject of the Wampa(s?) for a moment, I'd also really like to see you take a shot at making the head on the 2nd appearance of the Wampa look more like the one from it's 1st appearance in the top shot here, sometime.  (No wonder they kept it's 'lunge' so brief, and had it's paws up in front of it's face, obscuring it a little, lol....)

Here's a couple of good angles of the 1st appearance prop.  As well as the obvious differences on the faces, I preferred the 'lop-sided' look to it's ears in it's 1st appearance, compared to the 'pointy' ones in it's 2nd one.  (However, I do prefer the 'gnarly' horns seen on the new SE suit, and would like to see more of a hint of these (or even just 1!) added to the 1st appearance shot too!) -

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2618660420_aa5b2d91ca.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/489049856_16dbcc4c9c.jpg?v=0

That was thoughtful of you to contact the 501st guys about a Vader suit for the 'hologram' by the way, and neat that they got back to you about something of use too.  I'm curious to see the one that Adywan made for himself that may be used in that shot though.

Anyway, I'll leave you with my favourite piece of artwork of a 'lunging' Wampa -

http://api.ning.com/files/n--bYDgNKr86-CYMzSmtfZOC*ylo2XZVeWxkzUCoJ9o_/wampa_ambush.jpg

Of course, I'm sure any head that Adywan comes up with, will surely be better than the look of the original 2nd Wampa appearance, as seen 'lunging' towards Luke in the cave....  It seems that this suit was only intended for 'certain' shots (hence the Tauntaun here), but I wonder if they eventually realised the face was so bad, that they had to re-design it for it's 1st 'close-up' appearance?!

Ripplin said:

To me, the cut would be so fast that you would barely see any damage at all. Maybe a faint wisp of smoke coming from the shoulder and maybe from the stump on the ground, which I figure would all but be "lifeless" (i.e. no smoke or boiling blood or anything) by the time it hit the ground.

Kinda like Adywan's arm in 'ANH:R' then.  Yes that could work on the 'stump' shot too, but I still like the idea of a little 'cauterization' effect when we see the 'arm' in 'close-up' before it.  Also, we immediately cut to the arm hitting the ground after it's sliced off by Luke here, whereas there were a few seconds before we saw Ady's 'arm' after Ben sliced it off, during which time the effect would have gone, just leaving the faint wisp of smoke.... 

However, I guess we're not getting this shot anyway.

The Golden Idol -  As to where Ady's been, I reckon he's busy with all this stuff he's cobbling together.  Last I heard, he was trying out a Wampa suit concept to tie all it's shots together.... -   http://www.swfn.de/images/mitglieder/stefan_v/stefan_v5.jpg 

-Angel

vaderios, I really like your idea for the 'armless' Wampa shot!  And because I like this shot and concept so much, I'd love to see another version with the following amendments, if you find the time....and if you can be bothered!

You see, although I also like the brief new SE Wampa 'left arm/and side' that we see in the foreground now (when Luke cuts himself free), the shot above is the ONLY other new one that I cared for in the sequence (although I would rather lose the first half where he 'holds his wound', and would rather only see the second half of the shot where he outstretches his left paw, for an even briefer final 'reveal').  I thought the others lingered far too long, and didn't match the look of either(!) of the original designs anyway.

As Adywan previously noted, the arm 'prop' is too short to have been cut off at the shoulder, so there should have been more of a hairy 'stump' left at that area! 

Although these mock-up versions looks too 'fiery' for my own taste, I reckon if the brighter 'glows' of your 'cauterization' effect was toned down slightly on the 'arm on ground' shot (which comes before the 'reveal'), and you removed the 'flying embers' coming of it, that it might look better.

And then with the 'final reveal' shot (but on an added 'stump'!), I reckon that if you again toned down the brighter 'glows' here also (with perhaps a little more orange in places now, instead of yellow?), and cut the effect down by about half the amount against the black, and again remove the 'flying embers' coming of it....that this might look better too.

This may all be a moot point of course vaderios, as I seem to remember Adywan confirming that he won't be using ANY of the new SE shots for his edit.  It's certainly good to see your ideas though.

I just wish a lot of the designs in the Prequels had seemed more OT'ized!

OR seemed more PRE-OT'ized in fact, if you see what I mean.  ;)

About that 3 'holograms' scene -  something that I always wondered about was where they actually eminated from?....  They just seem to appear in the middle of the corridor in front of Vader.  I would have preferred to have seen them originally placed in the 'section' on the right of that shot, above the black 'circular' object for instance, as it sure looks like it could pass for a 'projection' unit' of some sort.

Adywan, I'm not sure, but perhaps some kind of very subtle, faint 'projection glow' could be added to be seen coming to each 'hologram' from small starting points on the black structure above the 'circular' object, as if it's 'throwing' the images out into the corridor?  (like a more sophisticated version of R2D2's 'projection' of Princess Leia)  I would have suggested just having this effect come from directly above where the 'holograms' stand, but we see what the overhead ceiling detail looks like in the first shot of Admiral Ozzel heading towards the 'Bridge', and also later on, when Vader chokes Captain Needa. 

By the way, that 'circular' object seems to be missing in the next shot where we see the 2 remaining 'holograms' in the foreground!

HotRod and Ripplin - Yeah, by their very nature, all of these 'edit' threads are always going to be full of 'errors' we never noticed before.  Ontop of the ones I already knew about, there's been quite a few mentioned here that I never spotted once during the numerous times I've watched 'Empire' previously!  And there will be many more mentioned about the rest of the saga too, lol.

Thankfully, Adywan is correcting the majority of these, so all's well really.

Gorilla -  I'd be more than happy if Adywan would consider going with your slightly alternative route of 'dropping' the elements you mention, instead of 'raising' the existing long 'support arm' in line with the circular window.  Either way gives the same result of lining up where Luke exits the support arm tunnel, which some seem to agree with....although he seems to enter the inside of the Wind Vane with the window on his left side, rather than his right side, in this scenario....

But if Adywan is considering ruling this out because he really wishes to include the Carbon Chamber above this area, in the Wind Vane itself....I can only think that his new structure's width is going to be very different to how it currently looks.  I've no doubt he can make it work, but it seems a lot more work for him. 

vaderios, those are some excellent mock-ups once again.  I think your version of the Stardestroyer being struck by the 'electrically'-charged laserbolt looks brilliant.  I hope Adywan ends up doing something similar along these lines.  Your Slave 1 cockpit displays look great too, and Adywan has listed this as something he plans to do something with in some way, also.   

Since a couple of people have commented about Leia not being able to tell the difference between a giant 'mouth' closing, and a 'cave' collapsing, I thought I'd try and re-work the timing of her line a little, to see if it could be placed somewhere else.  Again, you need to watch the 'movement' of the shots onscreen to get a proper idea. 

(I'm fine with where her line "The cave is collapsing" is placed in the sequence currently, as I always thought that the young Princess just did not comprehend the fantastic notion that she (and the Millennium Falcon) could actually be inside some gargantuan living creature to begin with, and that whatever she was seeing was just so outwith the scope of her 'experience', that it just didn't 'register' with her that there was some 'giant maw' closing ahead in the distance....  I understand that some may not agree though.)

It's just speculation, but I'm interested to see if anyone thinks the following alternative sequence would have worked a little better for the placement of the line -

I'll describe the current sequence first, and then you can easily compare the alternative version to it, that comes afterwards.  Before I start, I need to explain my own preferred view of where I see the Space Slug being 'positioned' in relation to the 'cave' opening that the Falcon flies into, in the first place - 

I always think of it as resting a little ways down in the 'cave' when the Falcon flies through the 'opening' at first.  (so of course, I'd prefer it if the 'white' entrance in the shot where the front 'bright, white' lights switch on, was just made into the 'cave' opening with a black starfield behind, by Adywan, rather than a 'mouth'at this point....and a tiny asteroid drifting/tumbling past it in the distance might be nice)  I've always thought that the creature's 'open maw' was a little further down in the darkness at this point, and is only approached by the Falcon during the shot that comes after Leia says "I hope you know what you're doing", and Han replies "Yeah, me too".... (Note -  it's the very 'dark area' that is to the left of where the mysterious 'white ball' used to appear.  Adywan has now removed the 'white ball', if you look at his 'Luke approaching Dagobah' clip) -  having said this, it could be neat if Adywan showed a slightly closer, more obvious (to us) 'open maw' in that area, as the Falcon heads down....

Anyway, I've always also thought that events then continued something like this -  during a short interlude later in the movie, the stationary Falcon is briefly 'rocked' twice (due to the Space Slug moving forward a little), knocking Leia off-balance into Han's lap....before he continues to try sorting the Hyperdrive system.  Then when we see the Falcon again, further on in the movie, the laserbolts of Chewbacca then Han, spur the Space Slug into a continuous 'rocking' motion forward towards the 'cave' opening, once again....  (Note -  from when Han shoots down at the 'belly' of the Space Slug, up until the Falcon takes off, the sequence is shown in 'real-time' and lasts approx. 40 seconds -  plenty of time for it to now have eventually reached very near the the 'cave' opening (from where it was deeper down before), to lunge outwards....)  

I'll continue on from here with the current sequence in 7 shots as we know it -

Shot 1 -  Han and Chewbacca enter the cockpit, with Leia just behind.  (C3PO is still being 'rocked' just outside the cockpit somewhere)  The door shuts behind Leia as she says "You can't make the jump to lightspeed in this asteroid field".  Han immediately responds "Sit down sweetheart!  We're taking off!"

We then cut to Shot 2 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) - http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug1.jpg

From a viewpoint behind Han, Leia, and Chewbacca in cockpit, we see through the cockpit windows that the Falcon has taken off, and it swings around to it's left, where we see the tiny 'open maw' in the distance ahead of them.  No words are spoken by anyone during this shot....  (Note -  regardless of the fact that I think the Space Slug could 'extend' to quite a long 'length' as it moves forwards through it's 'cave'....I would like it's 'open maw' in the distance, to be a little closer during this shot, to better tie-in with the much closer viewpoint we see it from, in the next shot of it, a couple of seconds later.  The  Space Slug seems to be very long in this shot, and it doesn't need to be....if Adywan agrees that it was further down the 'cave' to begin with initially, as I described earlier) 

We then cut to Shot 3 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

We see a front 'close-up' of the crew now, as C3PO has appeared in the doorway of the cockpit and raises his arm saying "Look!", as the door shuts behind him, and Han immediately responds "I see it, I see it".

We then cut to Shot 4 (which last approx. 2 secs.) -

We are much closer to the 'teeth' now (shown in the screenshot above at top), as seen through the front of the cockpit windows, and we just hear C3PO say "We're doomed!", then just hear Leia say "The cave is collapsing"....(shown in the screenshot above in middle)  (Question for Adywan -  should we actually see a hint of the 'cave' opening anywhere, just ahead of the open 'teeth'?....to tie in with where it eventually emerges.  Would we see any of the surrounding 'cave' opening from the Falcon's cockpit viewpoint or not, do you think?  I'm not sure, although the 'cave' opening does seem a good bit wider than the size of the Space Slug's head.  It might be nice to see a small asteroid or 2 drifting/tumbling past in the distant starfield, ahead of the teeth, in these shots though....) 

We then cut to Shot 5 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

We see a front 'close-up' of the crew again now, as Han says "This is no cave", and Leia immediately responds "What?".  The door is still shut behind C3PO at the back.  (why the door is important will become apparent in my alternative sequence) 

We then cut to Shot 6 (which last approx. 2 secs.) -

We see a 'close-up' of the Space Slug's teeth almost closed together, as the Millennium Falcon just escapes in-between them.  (shown in the bottom screenshot above)

Finally, we then cut to Shot 7 -  http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug3.jpg

We see the Space Slug emerge from very near the top of the 'cave' opening, with it's 'chin' and left-hand side closest to the edge of the opening....as it opens it's mouth wide again, snapping once at the escaping Falcon, as it lunges outwards amidst some 'debris' from the 'cave'.

NOW HERE'S THE ALTERNATIVE VERSION.... (you need to allow for the fact that the 'positioning' of C3PO and the door opening would need to be amended properly!)

Shot 1 -  Han and Chewbacca enter the cockpit, with Leia just behind.  (C3PO is still being 'rocked' just outside the cockpit somewhere)  The door shuts behind Leia as she says "You can't make the jump to lightspeed in this asteroid field".  Han immediately responds "Sit down sweetheart!  We're taking off!"  (Note - this shot is exactly the same as before)

We then cut to Shot 2 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) - http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug1.jpg

From a viewpoint behind Han, Leia and Chewbacca in cockpit, we see through the cockpit windows that the Falcon has taken off, and it swings around to it's left, where we see the tiny 'open maw' in the distance ahead of them.  However, now we would hear Leia's voice saying "The cave is collapsing" during this shot....where the 'teeth' are further away in the 'distance' from her sight (and ours!) at this early point in the sequence (and is the main reason for coming up with this alternative scenario) - My previous comments about making the 'open maw' just a little closer at this point (in the current shot) would also apply here too, though.

We then cut to Shot 3 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

We see a front 'close-up' of the crew now, but this time it is the one where Han says "This is no cave", and Leia immediately responds "What?"  (However, where C3PO previously appears in the doorway of the cockpit as the door then closes behind him, at this point in the current sequence ....we now unfortunately have him slightly in front of a closed door)

We then cut to Shot 4 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

We are much closer to the 'teeth' now (shown in the screenshot above at top), as seen through the front of the cockpit windows, but this time we only hear C3PO saying "We're doomed" before we reach the end of the shot.  (shown in the screenshot above in the middle) -  My previous question about whether we should see a hint of the 'cave' opening beyond the 'teeth' anywhere at this point (in the current shot) would also apply here too, as would my comment about having a small asteroid or 2 in the starfield beyond the teeth.

We then cut to Shot 5 (which lasts approx. 2 secs.) -

We see a front 'close-up' of the crew again now, but this time it is the one where C3P0 raises his arm saying "Look!", and Han immediately responds "I see it, I see it".  (However, where C3PO previously stands just slightly in front of a closed door, at this point in the current sequence....we now unfortunately have him appearing in the doorway of the cockpit, as the door then closes behind him)

We then cut to Shot 6 (which lasts approx, 2 secs.) - 

We see a 'close-up' of the Space Slug's teeth almost closed together, as the Millennium Falcon just escapes in-between them.  (shown in the bottom screenshot above)  (Note -  this shot is exactly the same as before)

Finally, we cut to Shot 7 -  http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug3.jpg

We see the Space Slug emerge from very near the top of the 'cave' opening, with it's 'chin' and left-hand side closest to the edge of the opening....as it opens it's mouth wide again, snapping once at the escaping Falcon, as it lunges outwards amidst some 'debris' from the 'cave'.  (Note -  this shot is exactly the same as before)

Done.  :) 

We did get the excellent green 'glows' from the big Death Star guns firing in 'A New Hope'.  They looked even better in 'Revisited'.

It's got to be said vaderios, that you are very talented.  The more I look at how you executed those couple of shots, the more I hope that Adywan decides to do something along these lines.

I especially like the subtle hint of blue 'glow'reflection on the ION cannon and snow, as it fires, as well as the arcing 'electricity' charge.  I hope that Adywan considers adding these elements, even if he decides he doesn't want the blueish white colour.  But I'd really like that colouring too!

vaderios said:

ImpFighter: In the last pic I see a tiling/matte problem on the planet's surface. Its me or IT is wrong?

Well vaderios, I never noticed that particular one before, but yes indeed, having looked at that now, there does seem to be an unnaturally 'straight line' cutting across that darker area on the left-hand side of the 'Hoth planet' in that shot.  Very observant of you.  I'm sure Adywan can tidy that up a little.

The actual blue 'atmosphere haze' below it is incomplete around the planet of course, and I'm sure he will attend to that too, as he always does.

By the way Adywan, I think you'll agree that those examples of teharri's 'blueish white, electrical' laserbolts done by vaderios there, look fantastic!  Very nicely done.  :) 

Adywan, although I've always been more than happy with the 'movement', 'scale', and 'debris' that the Space Slug 'puppet' currently conveys as it emerges, there is a little something that always catches my eye during the shot -  http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/sslug3.jpg

When the Space Slug is fully emerged (as seen in the link), we see some kind of thin 'elastic'-like piece on it's left-hand side 'twanging' against it, near the 'cave' opening.  While I don't know if this is meant to be a 'fold of skin' or something, I reckon it would be better (and less distracting) if this was erased.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, please don't change the space sluggs teeth to resemble a more cave like structure.  I have never had a problem with the teeth in my whole life of watching Empire. I would rather you take the slugg out over changing the teeth. In fact, the slugg has no business existing in the vacuum of space. 

 

Just a thought, but you could always remove the lines about Han and Leia talking about it.

I wonder if Sluggo will have something to say about that....

The Mynocks shouldn't survive either then, I'd imagine.  C'mon Auggie, this is Star Wars, not National Geographic....monstrous lifeforms evolve differently in fantasy galaxies far, far, away perhaps.  ;)

You've given me a little idea to do with some of the lines though, for speculation's sake....  I'll get back to you on that shortly.

The 'Space Slug' has always been one of my favourite creature designs in the whole saga, and it's interesting that there seems to be roughly an equal split here between those who would like to see the 'teeth' altered quite a bit, and those who wouldn't.  I wonder which direction Adywan will choose eventually?

Here's a good shot of that actual 'puppet' model from the front this time -  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2378370309_8ca035b6a3.jpg?v=0  (note that the 'tongue' of the 'puppet' itself is not really shown in the shots from 'inside' the creature, i.e.- during the very top 2 shots) 

Those have been some interestingly 'gnarly' teeth mock-ups recently, but personally I still prefer them basically as they currently are....although I always thought that the exact way they were shaped (with a gap between the bigger front two) in the original Ralph McQuarrie artwork looked even better: 

Close-up of teeth -  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2f/MCQ-spaceslug.jpg

Whole shot of artwork -  http://www.zazzle.com/mcquarrie_art_space_slug_star_wars_poster_prin_print-228555353050355950

Here's another neat piece of artwork that I really like, that might have looked great if it had been realised as a brief, distant, drifting element in the background of one of the 'asteroids' shots -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:SpaceSlug.JPG

Although that artwork above shows a 'shortish' Slug, I'm personally not stuck on any speculative exact 'lengths' for the Space Slugs in general, as I reckon they'd be able to 'extend' their body 'lengths' at will, like a worm does, and it could depend on whether they are full-grown adults or not.  But here's an interesting 'info.' page, just for completion's sake -  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exogorth

(I'd still like to see the odd drifting asteroid or 2 in the distance of these 'mouth' shots, by the way)

Oh, and by the way vaderios, YES, your 'greyer' Falcon cockpit on the previous page looked a lot better than the current strange SE colouring in the sequence!  Nice.  :)

And speaking of asteroids 'overhead' -  after the dreadfully poor shots of the TIEs exploding in the big asteroid's 'canyon', we then see plenty of smaller asteroids as the Millennium Falcon first exits the 'canyon'.  But in the following shots through the Falcon's windows as Han looks for somewhere to hide....we see NONE.  And NEITHER do we see any other asteroids during the next shot where the Falcon flies upwards, then turns to swoop downwards into the asteroid 'opening'....  Can you insert some into these shots so that they tie-in with the previous shots, if possible?  (Plenty of asteroids are seen once again when the Falcon eventually escapes from the asteroid slug later on)

Also, just after the 'Vader with Bounty Hunters' scene, we cut to the 'Avenger' firing at a tiny Millennium Falcon amongst lots of asteroids.  We then cut to C3PO saying "Oh, thank goodness we're coming out of the asteroid field", as we see 3 or 4 asteroids come towards them through the cockpit windows.  We then cut to see the oncoming Falcon chased by the oncoming 'Avenger' behind it, but NO asteroids tumbling towards the front and sides of the 'Avenger' are seen now (apart from 'main field' seen in background)....  Again, can you insert some to tie-in better with the previous shot?  (We then cut to the Falcon heading away from us, and see another 3 last remaining asteroids come towards it)

Adywan, having looked at the 'asteroid slug' sequence now, I think that my recent speculation that the Millennium Falcon's front 'bright, white' lights (if supposedly on again at this point) would maybe shine on some tooth or other as it escaped....was probably wrong.  The 'beams' from them doesn't seem to be particularly strong in the scene where they initially come on, and anyway, the Falcon is going in-between the gap between the teeth, rather than directly towards any of the teeth!  So scratch that thought I'd say.

However, what I did notice now, was that during that shot of the Falcon where it's front 'bright, white' lights come on....the actual 'opening' behind it in the distance is WHITE, and doesn't seem to match the shape of the 'opening' it entered either.... 

Perhaps this could be made to either look like a hint of an 'open mouth with teeth' instead (if you consider it to be near the actual opening at this point in time that is, as it could be further down the 'cave' at the moment, before the Falcon enters it)....OR perhaps it could be made to look more like the shape of the 'opening' hole in the first place. 

Either way, it would be good to have the blackness of the 'starfield' showing, perhaps with a small 'asteroid' drifting past 'overhead'.

Finally, should we see some tumbling asteroids in the distance, beyond the 'teeth' of the slug also?

doubleofive said:

All this talk about rearranging all of the Executor bridge shots and creating a whole new building for the Vader/Luke duel to take place in reminds me of when this was basically going to be a color correction / restoration to the 1980 pacing.  Now it sounds like the 510 pictures showing the visual changes in ANHR are going to be nothing compared to all of the visual changes and tweaks Ady is announcing now.

I can't wait to see them all.

Absolutely. 

We can all forget about any 'restorationism' to close to what was previously released,  as these amazing edits are a whole new ball game incorporating Adywan's personal favourite elements of both the originals and the SE's, with some extra special amendments ontop.  These edits are 'Adywanisms', and they are incredible. 

Kurgan said:

Monroville said:

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville -  you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you?  ;)

Yeah, yeah I know... I kinda deserve it.

But I'm sure you both were just kidding around... not serious at all, right? ;)

Right! :)  Welcome back Kurgan.  I remember you had some good ideas previously (although personally I never did like that change to blue for the TIEs when 'Empire' was released). 

There's going to be a lot of great new stuff to get used to in Adywan's edit.  Took me a while to adjust to a couple of things in his 'ANH:R' edit too, but I'd never go back to the SE now.

Couple of interesting ideas there. 

I think a little 'darkening' of the FIRST shot we see of the asteroid slug's teeth in the distance (not shown above), where our heroes are in the foreground of the Falcon's cockpit....could work okay.  If I remember right, the overall colouration and effect in that shot in general on the SE, looked a bit poor anyway.  Having said that, I don't know what effect the Falcon's 'bright, white' lights (if they've been put on again) on the 2 front prongs would have.   Just a thought, but if they are 'supposedly' on again at this point,  would we see a hint of their 'shine' on any of the large teeth that they pass in the bottom shot?   

I certainly think that as we get nearer the teeth, the 'lighting' in the shot shown here at the top looks fine, as the asteroid slug was very close to the opening of the asteroid 'cave' by this point, when the Falcon escapes, and whatever 'outside light source' that was hitting the asteroid's surface, was also entering the 'open mouth' a little at this point.

As far as 'retractable' teeth appearing, that's interesting too.  However, if that is decided on, then I reckon it would be better not happening any later than during the shot at the top here.  It would be a more subtle effect in the lead-up to when we get closer to them, that way.

I'd really like to see the strange colouring of the Falcon's cockpit frame made a little 'greyer' during these shots though, if possible.

adywan said:

yeh, that shot was added just to show the new sequence. I haven't got around to redoing the background yet but it will be changed to show the far end of the bridge and also the shot where he is shot sideways but you see the control room wall will be changed to the background of the windows.

 

yes, i'm hoping to do something about the glows. they are too strong and also the flashes need to be fixed too because they show the matte surrounding off . i'll see what i can  do about the lights on the gantry.

Ah, thanks for the updates already Adywan.

I'm glad you have decided to go the extra mile to keep the 'open entranceway to Bridge' look behind that 'frontal' shot of Vader.  It will be good to see the windows added-in behind the 'side-on' shot too.  Nice. 

And very pleased that you may be 'yellowing up' some of those lights in certain shots.

Monroville -  you're not related to someone called 'Kurgan' by any chance, are you?  ;)

vaderios said:

Also i know Ady can do magic but is any way to eliminate the overpowered glow of luke's saber?

-Angel

Have to say that I always liked the look of the 'glows' during this shot in the duel.  Adywan has said he is going to improve the mattes better when the 'glows' occur, though. 

What I'd really like to see, if possible, is for the 'flashing' yellow 'gantry' lights to flash a bit brighter yellow in this shot, and some others , as seen from 'Luke hanging-on' onwards (they seem dulled in certain shots)....to better tie-in with the bright 'close-ups' of them.  This would be a very welcome touch I think.

Adywan, just wondering about this bottom shot of Vader, where I think we hear the words "Son, come with me".  As Vader is definately confirmed as being shown at the very front of the Bridge now, this existing shot's background seems at odds with that.

Will you be amending the 'blurry' background a little here? (while keeping it 'blurry')....or are you going to just show this doorway (perhaps closing a little!) as seen here, suggesting that it closes between the 'control room' section and the Bridge?  More than content either way.

Also -  after this bottom shot of Vader, we then see (at 1:53:42 Pal timing) a more side-on 'close-up' of Vader's mask, as we hear "Luke, it is your destiny".  It currently has a background of lights similar to the right-hand 'alcove' of the Bridge that Vader initially enters.  Will you be keeping the existing shot, and replacing the background with some ('blurry'?) left-hand side Bridge 'windows' instead?

adywan said:

Now onto the Carbon chamber issue. I was looking over your plans to have the chamber at the top of the shaft but this creates more problems than it solves. That is a hell of a long way for Luke to travel to find Vader and really doesn't make sense. Why would Vader run all that way away from Luke just to lure him to the vane? All that needs doing is redesigning the actual vane so it can contain the carbon chamber at the top and explain where the corridors that led them to the chamber disappeared to. Its quite plain to see now i have gone through the Luke jumping down from the chamber to the pipe that you can clearly see that behind him is the base of the carbon chamber as the architecture and piping is very similar. It is meant to be one complete sequence as you see Luke drop from the chamber (even though you can clearly see that he jumps from hanging onto a pole in the first few frames of the pipe sequence, but this was just to simulate his drop during filming). So this means that the carbon chamber is indeed meant to be built into the vane. Now it looks like i'll have to build some sort of model for the vane shot and do a lot of redesigning, but at the same time keeping the look of the original. 

Wow, yet another model, and 're-designed' with some modifications!  You are too good to us in your effort to improve things, Adywan.  Sounds wonderful.

I only expected a little amendment to the existing 'Vent Pod' exterior shots, to allow a little more consistency.  I guess it all depends where you consider the 'base' of the 'Carbon Chamber' to be -  either within the main structure of the City, somewhere near the start of the long 'extending support arm' tunnel....or actually inside the 'Vent Pod' itself.

Although I used to have no problem believing that Vader was perhaps slightly injured during his 'unexpected' fall backwards from the 'platform' (we're not sure how far) after Luke's strong attack, and so ventured along the long 'access tunnel' to regain his composure....while luring Luke to a more confined space for the rest of the duel....I am equally happy to know that it now seems that the 'Carbon Chamber' is to be within the 'Vent Pod' to begin with, and will now be shown to be more plausibly accessed-to by all the Stormtroopers, Ugnaughts etc. that went into it earlier.  Interesting stuff.